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So my Birthday is 10 days away and I was entertaining different ideas like a day trip with friends to the countryside, or a music festival that comes to town in those dates, dinner at home, etc... dont feel much of a preference, at the moment. I asked :

How to best celebrate my Birthday this year?

and received a very surprising 36 unchanging.



I am very puzzled. I got this hexagram several times in situations where I had to hide my feelings for a person, or wait. The texts talk a lot about "wounding", I dont see what this can mean now in this period of my life. For the first time in many many months Im doing fine. I left that group where I was working next to people who constantly made me feel bad, I left my toxic affairs, Im doing fine on my own and my classes and my dancing, and its summer outside.

I dont see how this day can turn out to be a Wounding experience so the Y must be giving me advice for NOW. dont decide now, dont think about it now, hide your joy until the day shows to you what it is about.... ?


Please help.
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ouch! from 6 moving linees to none :rofl:
just kidding.


well 36 unchanging about the todo on your birthday....
you'll not be able to have influence on this... the efforts spended in organazing will not give you the result you expect.

probably you'll end doing something different.
 
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Maybe go somewhere dark? eg a nightclub, or to the cinema.
Doesn't sound very good for traditional cake and candles.
 

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Thanks for both ur input. For the time being I decided not to plan it. Maybe a couple of days before I have more insight into it.

I was taking a look at Hatcher's more complex translation, and even though he chooses "BRIGHTNESS OBSCURED" he offers VISION has a possible alternative to brightness, so maybe the Y is just telling me its still too soon to see what to do. I dont know. Its not such a big deal, only that when I got it I felt a bit anxious, because my life finally reach some state of balance, calm and joy and I could not imagine where did this next WOUNDING stem from...

On a side note, I find particularly ironic to get 36 for the longest BRIGHT daytime of the year, the summer solstice...! ;)


thanks again for your opinions! (others are still welcomed...)
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How to best celebrate my Birthday this year?

and received a very surprising 36 unchanging.


I just had a stroke of insight which made me laugh. It has been summer and warm where I live and today it turned nasty, grey and rainy. As most of my previous plans (countryside, lake) had to do with outdoors activities, could the Y just be throwing me a weather forecast with 36 unchanging saying "the sun wont shine, stay indoors" ?

=D

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:)

as an alternative, I dont know if they have these where you live, but there are restaurants that are completely in the dark, the waiters wear heat sensing goggles and you have to raise your hand to be led to the toilet. Its supposed to enhance the flavours.
 
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Hi Yoana,

I was thinking maybe your 36 is in relevance to right after the Summer Solstice. I am not sure how it would be connected, but the day after the Summer Solstice, the days begin to get shorter, and darkness takes over until the Winter Solstice when things are again reborn with more light. Maybe if your birthday lands on a weekday, it is saying to do whatever you can on the weekend after. Something like that (Maybe it is referring to time).

Or maybe it is speaking of the time of day.. aka the dark nighttime.

36 speaks of ways to act when times are not favorable. When environments are difficult. To reserve an inner light as to not let harm affect it. Being cautious, reserved, humble. Could it be possible Yi is telling you things NOT to do? To help you weed things out from your options?

Just some thought.

(36 from Oracle of the Sun by LiSe Heyboer - http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html
Click the Hexagram and maybe something will speak to you from this translation)

Have a happy birthday regardless!
 

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I might see it as an indication to protect your feelings.

I think one can be very vulnerable on birthdays. Firstly its the day you arrived on the planet, so it must have some significance...a deep memory of the trauma of your birth...and the birthday gifts i read somewhere are meant as encouragement for you to stay here. Second its a day its important those close to you remember to send you a card, or call etc etc. I've known birthdays be spoiled when someone the person cares about has forgotten. I think its a girl thing BTW I don't think men set so much store by birthdays

So perhaps you should look after your feelings that day incase you feel a little fragile and want to hide for some reason. Seems better to have a quiet intimate gathering perhaps than planning anything that requires you to be too outgoing ?
 

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I just had a stroke of insight which made me laugh. It has been summer and warm where I live and today it turned nasty, grey and rainy. As most of my previous plans (countryside, lake) had to do with outdoors activities, could the Y just be throwing me a weather forecast with 36 unchanging saying "the sun wont shine, stay indoors" ?

=D

yoana

oh yes I recall getting 36 when i asked some question about the sun/summer and depression...I can't recall what it was exactly but I know one very hot summer I really couldn't bear the sun and heat...it seemed to affect me some way like the reverse of SAD. I asked Yi how to deal with the time and got 36 unchanging...yeah keep out of the glare. I think could be a weather forecast yes so literal or metaphoric
 

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oh BTW you aren't 36 years old by any chance are you ? Yi could be having a laugh

I think cake and candles are quite a 36 image....candles symbolisng the light, your life. Candles light within the cake for you to eat.....you holding your flame safe
 
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Yes. The cake and candles for sure. When I read LiSe's 36 that is exactly one of the things that came to my mind...

"To be what you really are, to live the life that belongs to you. That is what everybody wants, but most spoil it because they think it is enough to do just that. Open and impulsive they jump into life, only to find out that everything and everybody counteracts.
Hide your light, so nobody can blow it out. Be careful and modest in everything you do and show, not to evoke obstructions. Do not deny obstructive forces, explore them and recognize them, so you know what measures to take or how to circumvent them.
When the trees in an industrial region turned black from the smoke, the butterflies turned black too .. and survived."
 

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It's getting closer :)

Im still following my non-organizing plan, I keep not-doing but over-thinking =D
I asked friends to take the late-afternoon-early-night off but I told nobody what for.

I have been trying not to look at the ominous feel of 36 and more to concrete indications discussed in this thread, like bad weather or :

Maybe go somewhere dark? eg a nightclub, or to the cinema.
Doesn't sound very good for traditional cake and candles.

Jeah, a small pub just for us would definitely do it for me.

Thanks to everyone who contributed, I really enjoy all the directions this thread took. The many ways this can be read. Ultimately, we are all learning, and I must add that it's not so important for me to have any special day.... by myself with a book on my balcony would already be a success, and that knowing gives me a basic comfort in case everything else falls apart.

:)
as an alternative, I dont know if they have these where you live, but there are restaurants that are completely in the dark, the waiters wear heat sensing goggles and you have to raise your hand to be led to the toilet. Its supposed to enhance the flavours.

They do, I went there once. Its great that you mention it but I actually want to see my friends that day :rofl:


I might see it as an indication to protect your feelings.

I think one can be very vulnerable on birthdays. Firstly its the day you arrived on the planet, so it must have some significance...a deep memory of the trauma of your birth...and the birthday gifts i read somewhere are meant as encouragement for you to stay here. Second its a day its important those close to you remember to send you a card, or call etc etc. I've known birthdays be spoiled when someone the person cares about has forgotten. I think its a girl thing BTW I don't think men set so much store by birthdays

So perhaps you should look after your feelings that day incase you feel a little fragile and want to hide for some reason. Seems better to have a quiet intimate gathering perhaps than planning anything that requires you to be too outgoing ?

as always Trojan, very wise and useful advise. I wrote somewhere else in this forum that for the first time in several months I feel self-standing and centered. This is really the time to be cautious and don't rush too much, still remember how fragile I was through winter time (I think 63 talks about such an attitude) specially because most of the people present in this celebration (I hope…) will be the actors of this short winter drama.

I also wrote above that a calm time alone with a book would already be a successful celebration - because all in all I am well in my life right now. But I am a very social person, and when I am well I want to be out, and dance, and laugh, and have noise and commotion around me - and somehow that is how I imagine my birthday.

The opposite of 36, I guess…
so I have been pondering on my euphoria these days. Im not bipolar or anything like it but its true that after such a long depression feeling well again makes me loose perception of what Im (emotionally) available for.

So "protect yourself" is a super valuable piece of advise.


oh BTW you aren't 36 years old by any chance are you ? Yi could be having a laugh

No, not yet. I went through a year of Collapse and get now prepared for my own personal Abyss ;-)

(its like a riddle, can you tell how old I am? )


I will share another very interesting reading on a separate Post.
To Be Continued...

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Sometimes Y's coherence really impresses me. Even though I have been thinking a lot about this 36 unchanging, and your contributions, I haven’t asked anything else to the book. But after writing what I just posted (above) I had all the different streams very present in my spirit, that feeling of the "burning question" and I tried :

What should I know about this day that helps me take the best decision for everyone?

now guess…

36 it is !!!!

so, 36, line 1, changing to 15.

" Nine at the beginning means:
Darkening of the light during flight.
He lowers his wings.
The superior man does not eat for three days
On his wanderings.
But he has somewhere to go.
The host has occasion to gossip about him.
"


Lost, lost, lost. (but enjoying it).

I have the uncanny feeling that something is still to happen in my life before Tuesday that perhaps changes my easiness towards all these friends. I feel the situation cannot be fully seen yet… somehow…

The line tells me to keep myself low, don't attempt any flying, make sacrifices, no dinner parties - but have a goal and something to say.


Puff.


I think I have to stop thinking about this and just let the day come.
:confused:

Y...
 

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Sometimes Y's coherence really impresses me. Even though I have been thinking a lot about this 36 unchanging, and your contributions, I haven’t asked anything else to the book. But after writing what I just posted (above) I had all the different streams very present in my spirit, that feeling of the "burning question" and I tried :

What should I know about this day that helps me take the best decision for everyone?

now guess…

36 it is !!!!

so, 36, line 1, changing to 15.

" Nine at the beginning means:
Darkening of the light during flight.
He lowers his wings.
The superior man does not eat for three days
On his wanderings.
But he has somewhere to go.
The host has occasion to gossip about him.
"


Lost, lost, lost. (but enjoying it).

I have the uncanny feeling that something is still to happen in my life before Tuesday that perhaps changes my easiness towards all these friends. I feel the situation cannot be fully seen yet… somehow…

The line tells me to keep myself low, don't attempt any flying, make sacrifices, no dinner parties - but have a goal and something to say.


Puff.


I think I have to stop thinking about this and just let the day come.
:confused:

Y...

ah.....there is apparently some humour in 36.1. Someone got it on Reading Circle phone call and Hilary just kept laughing about it. It can have something to do with feigning injury/illness so less is asked of one....there is deceit in 36 but it is a necessary deceit for self protection....you may well want to sit on the balcony with a book...because you feel a little off colour etc or maybe you may want to be coddled a bit ?


...but you are asking for a prediction of your birthday and maybe you should keep in mind it can be what you want it to be. I mean regardless of what you get if you want to party I think you should go and party. If the lights go out you know why :D


I deduce you are 28 going on 29. This is a tough age apparently, or so I read in several different places. These articles said people get happier as they get older and that 28-35 is a hard age for women becasue they are quite focused on whats next in terms of 'should i have a career/baby/ long term relationship and theres lots of competetive status type stuff going on thats quite complicated and all about 'performing'...however older people find smaller things makes them happy. I don't think its so much to do with the age as the pressures of the times we live in put upon people around the 30 mark.

Anyway i digress but your birthday is 23rd June ?.. so we must wish you a happy birthday here on that day :D
 

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your birthday is 23rd June ?.. so we must wish you a happy birthday here on that day :D

Too late :) It was yesterday.

I really want to do a follow-up because I think this was a very interesting dialogue with the I ching, but I am a mess with emotions today (heavy hangover as well) and I don't know if I can be as objective as I should.

First of all, I am positively overwhelmed. It was better than all my expectations. It was an amazing day, I feel fully torn and humbled down by life and the way things go.

therefore, 36 was nothing ominous or to worry about. Looking back, I think the Y could really just be saying:
- do something in the night time.
- BUT ALSO:
- wait, hide ur light, don't send out invites too soon (because circumnstances changed at last minute) - as in getting 5 or 52.

I wanted to post a picture of the bar we all ended up in because it was very 36… very dark and candle-lighten. :D

So, very short what happened was that I recently left a project of performers and writers I was a part of, mostly because I couldn't stand dealing with a colleague I had an affair with (several of my last threads are about him and the sad ending of our story). I started seeing another guy, promising, but ironically when I left HE joined the group (!!!!)
They had a performance this weekend, something born out of an idea of mine, and I did not want to go there, because I thought would be too painful. Urgent circumstances made me go (the thing was falling apart without me jejejejeje) and I ended up staying and serving them through the thing. It was a huge catharsis and we ended all hugging and feeling super close and exhausted - nobody slept through the whole weekend, they were always on stage and I was always behind making sure details worked.

Monday night we cleaned the stage together, like sleepwalkers, and just went for a deserved drink afterwards. Someone realised it was past midnight, so that meant… my birthday! :blush: I smiled - would never ever ever ever saw that one coming. I thought I would never see these people again, though they mean the world to me.

Both men were there, sitting on opposites sides of the table. I smiled. How ironic…

We drank the night away but the survivors (already daytime) were me and the guy I wanted to have a relationship with through the winter. We didn't talk about us, we just sat there drinking, and in a way I cant explain, it was healing. I love that man, and I accept we will never be together. He walked me home, we hugged, I fell to bed thinking that was the most perfect gift I could have gotten - emotional closure and relief.

So I spent the actual day of my birthday… sleeping!
36 is… sleeping ??? =D


I woke up at 5 (pm…yes…) started ringing people, and after dinner we completely filled a place around the corner, this candle-lighten place I mentioned before. Again all the group was there, because it was full of performers and writers we had a lot of readings and artistic interventions, it was an amazing night. Very existential feel to it.

I came to terms with the fact that the "promising nice guy" is not for me, Im not in love, and that the man in that room whom really moved me was still the one from winter time. I am aware we are destructive to each other and he wont ever allow me close. But I am at peace with that now. Once again, we were the two survivors, drank each other to oblivion and he walked me home. We hugged. He went his way, nothing was said. I fell into bed and thought again: that must have been the perfect birthday…


sorry for the long narrative
I am obviously very moved….

yoana
 

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I just wanted to thank you oponopono for this long, suspenseful :) and interesting story/insight into your experience with Yi Ching. (could anybody btw tell me how to "say thank you" without having to actually post a full thank you reply? :DTake care
 

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Peter you can click the “Thanks” button which has a ���� type icon next to it. The ���� icon is underneath the comment all the way to the left.
 

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This is beautiful. The update made me so happy. Thank you for sharing and updating. It helped me feel quite differently about 36. I like it a lot now.
 
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This is beautiful. The update made me so happy. Thank you for sharing and updating. It helped me feel quite differently about 36. I like it a lot now.
Dance, I don't want to discourage you at all from getting inspiration or learning from this thread, but do note that the original post is 8 years old, and the person who posted it hasn't been on the forum for 3 years.

That said, I think it's important to note that if you or I, or anyone were to get 36 as part of our query, how we apply that answer will be different for each of us - maybe even radically so.

Some people associate 36 with hiding out from danger, but I think it could also be - and for me has often been - about intelligently making use of what is, or what should be, hidden. One example is that of an artist who is not quite ready to show her new series to the world; she is instead keeping here 'brightness' / her art, hidden until she's ready to show it. And there could be all kinds of reasons for that.

What comes to mind also is that you might want to look at the sticky thread in the Exploring Divination section about postitive and negative hexagrams.

Best, D.
 

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Dance if you want to show appreciation of someone's post they are 100 times more likely to see it if you use the 'like' button or 'thanks', hover over the like and you see the options.

The reason they will see it is CC supporters at least and others, for now, get notifications when someone likes their post. For example I am getting notifications I never would have known about in the old forum. Now the forum is revamped every time someone thanks or likes a post I get notified and so I see people thanking posts of mine today that are 10 years old which is nice. But if they just tagged a comment onto the actual thread I may not see it. My own view is rather than reawaken long gone threads just to say thanks use the thanks button instead. There is also the advantage that people don't think the thread is current and start responding to the original querent which can waste their time if the querent has been gone for years.

Granted it's not as nice as the kind of message you left though.
 
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