36. Ming I / Darkening of the Light

[maremaria]

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«The MASTERS HAVE the last WORD»[/CENTER]

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lol, in sailing too. There is no democracy in a boat. The CAPTAIN has the last Word !!!!

Seriously now, how do you understand the "gossip" in line 1.

Maria

 

[charly]

lol, in sailing too. There is no democracy in a boat. The CAPTAIN has the last Word !!!!

María:

Indeed. I believe that initiation requires almost ever a master that delivers a sign or identity mark of achieved initiation.

Except maybe some very exceptional cases of lonely initiation, but documents, cultural usages and deep observation act as virtual masters, culture or subcultures are then the masters.

Seriously now, how do you understand the "gossip" in line 1...

There is no «gossip» in the chinese text, only the character for «speak», «word» or «words». I don't read german, but «gossip» in W/B version depicts that the relation between the subject and the «hosts» or «masters» (1) is conflictive maybe due the cultural evolution afecting the roles of guests and hosts, among others rights and duties pertaining sexual behavior.

The previous post to Rosada was not a joke.

Hosts have a conflict between new law and old uses, they get upset and speaks badly.

Noble-Youngs when arrive to a place have the old right of going to bed with the host's wife. Dangerous affair indeed in new times but an inescapable duty in old communities.

Wilhelm don't tell us this detail but he knows, he darkens his light.

The old uses assures genetical diversity in primitive communities but become conflictive with the passing to a patriarchal stratified society.

Yours,

Charly
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(1) not as individuals but like a sort of gild, the conflict is not between persons but between cultural roles and values.

 

[charly]

... Seriously now, how do you understand the "gossip" in line 1...

María:

If you are interested, please, take a look to the three quotes I post to Frank at 59066, are very instructive and, I believe, applicable to chinese people.

... three stories corresponding each one to a stage of marriage institution, from S.A.Dange, India, from primitive communism to slavery, a book from wich Needham says «... we have approached ancient Chinese and ancient Indian civilization with ... similar results»:

Yours,

Charly

 

[maremaria]

María:

If you are interested, please, take a look to the three quotes I post to Frank at 59066, are very instructive and, I believe, applicable to chinese people.



Yours,

Charly

Thank you Charly. I found those stories.
Maria

 

[charly]

Thank you Charly. I found those stories.
Maria

María:

Being the core text of the I Ching a preconfucian text it's natural that remnants of old costumes challenge the values of the new stratified society, new people hardly undestood some issues of old stories.

It reminds me Has Ruesch's «Top of the World»:

The Inuit men have great respect for the women. The women care for the children, build igloos, sew, tenderize skins with their teeth, and complete many other arduous tasks. The concept of wife sharing is another practice popular among the Inuits, of which the white men disapprove. In the novel Ernenek gets into a lot of trouble because the white man doesn't understand the ways of 'the men' . When Ernenek offers Asiak to a white traveler to 'laugh with' the white man shows no interest. In the Inuit society this is a great dishonor, and Ernenek bashes the white mans skull into the wall and ends up killing him.

From: "Ethnocentrism at the Top of the world". Anti Essays. 10 Jan. 2008
http://www.antiessays.com/free-essays/1940.html

Yours,

Charly

 

[ravenstar]

O Six in the second place means:
Darkening of the light injures him in the left thigh.
He gives aid with the strength of a horse.
Good fortune.

Here the Lord of Light is in a subordinate place and is wounded
by the Lord of Darkness. But the injury is not fatal, it is only
a hindrance. Recue is still possible. The wounded man gives
no thought to himself; he thinks only of saving the others who
are also in danger. Therefore he tries with all his strength to
save all that can be saved. There is good fortune in thus acting
according to duty.

The good fortune of the six in the second place
comes from its devotion to the rule.

One might expect misfortune from the situation, yet the
oracle is, "Good fortune." This is because the line, being yield-
ing, correct, and in the proper place, is equal to the demands of
its position.
-Wilhelm

Reading this, Rosada, and everyone else here, reminds me of Chiron, the son of the Saturn. Chiron was a Centaur, half human, half horse. He was a great teacher and physician and taught many Greek hereos various skills such as riding, archery and medicine. For those who don't know the story, Chiron was accidentally wounded in the leg by his friend, Hercules. The spear was poisoned and the wound refused to heal, so Chiron became known as the "Wounded Healer, his knowledge of healing and homeopathic medicine gained from his own distress. Being wounded and 'full of pain' did not stop him seeking to help others.

ravenstar

 

[ravenstar]

About the eye :

Just found this looking in Li trigram.

“Li is the eye, looking and trying to see, the sense of daylight and of forms and colors” Wilhelm (if my messy notes are correct)


Maria

When I read this, I thought of primitive man, before the development of language. Primitive man had an integral connection with his environment. His basic consciousness was visual. It would seem he thought, felt, lived visually. In fact, I bet dreams and fantasies were of more value at that time, then cognitive thought.

The aboriginals in Austrailia, supposedly see and interact with spirits and gods in every animal, stone and cloud. This is how they relate to the world.

For us the development of language and the written word has dominated our world. Words become labels, detaching us from a situation to experience and analysie it, which also causes us to separate from nature? With these changes came the birth of civilization and of law and order......and of course mathematics, philosophy and science.

Another thought....

when people's eyes are open, they are drawn to scenes they see outside of themselves. When our eyes are closed and there is silence, images and thoughts (some beautiful some fearful) appear to us from our mind....depending what is flowing up from the unconscious.

In the mind's eye, we see the past, the future, we daydream and dream of things that can be beyond the bounds of space and time.

Also, what of the Eye of Horus?

ravenstar

 

[charly]

... Chiron was a Centaur, half human, half horse. He was a great teacher and physician and taught many Greek hereos various skills such as riding, archery and medicine.... was accidentally wounded in the leg by his friend, Hercules... wounded and 'full of pain' did not stop him seeking to help others...

Hi, Ravenstar:

I like your story , maybe that was what Wilhelm have in mind when he wrote his rendering and commentaries.

This Centaur acts like a cultural hero and wounds are initiation marks. Many cultural heroes were half animals (like all of us in some sense).

If not from a story like this I wonder where all this people needing help came from. Sure not from the chinese text. Maybe Lao NaiXuan told to Wilhelm a similar story, it reminds him the Centaur story and...

Some guys (not Wilhelm, of course) think that the hero uses a strong horse to save himself. Another guys thinks that time is propitious for gelding a horse (don't ask me why). Another more thinks that the hero is strong like a horse...

Given that YI means «barbarian», among another things like wounds, arrows, birds, I believe that the hero and the horse are an inseparable pair like riding mongol archers, like man and dog, like bird and cry.

We cann't help nobody if we don't accept our own duality, or better our own identity.

The advice could be: «save your horse and your horse will save you».

Harold Drinkstein ran a sleazy joint, housing a clandestine strip show, a gambling-den, and an illegal booking parlor. But in actual fact his establishment was only a front used to mask the real source of his fabulous income: hidden at the back was a grocery store.
Les Luthiers
From: http://www.lesluthiers.org/verversion.php?ID=193

Things are not what they seem, don't you agree?

Yours,

Charly

 

[maremaria]

... Chiron was a Centaur, half human, half horse. He was a great teacher and physician and taught many Greek hereos various skills such as riding, archery and medicine. For those who don't know the story, Chiron was accidentally wounded in the leg by his friend, Hercules. The spear was poisoned and the wound refused to heal, so Chiron became known as the "Wounded Healer, his knowledge of healing and homeopathic medicine gained from his own distress. Being wounded and 'full of pain' did not stop him seeking to help others.

ravenstar

Interesting association. I have forgoten Chiron as a Healer. Maybe becauce Aspclepious is more "famous" as a healer. (which was a studens of Chiron).

I have found some more information related to this but busy to translate them in english. Maybe later in the day.

Do you think (adressing to everyone here) that Jung's "wounded healer" is relevant to line 2. ?

Maria

 

[Sparhawk]

Harold Drinkstein ran a sleazy joint, housing a clandestine strip show, a gambling-den, and an illegal booking parlor. But in actual fact his establishment was only a front used to mask the real source of his fabulous income: hidden at the back was a grocery store.
Les Luthiers

LOL!! Those guys are genius!! They never get old.

 

[ravenstar]

Hi, Ravenstar:

I like your story , maybe that was what Wilhelm have in mind when he wrote his rendering and commentaries.

This Centaur acts like a cultural hero and wounds are initiation marks. Many cultural heroes were half animals (like all of us in some sense).

If not from a story like this I wonder where all this people needing help came from. Sure not from the chinese text. Maybe Lao NaiXuan told to Wilhelm a similar story, it reminds him the Centaur story and...

Some guys (not Wilhelm, of course) think that the hero uses a strong horse to save himself. Another guys thinks that time is propitious for gelding a horse (don't ask me why). Another more thinks that the hero is strong like a horse...

Given that YI means «barbarian», among another things like wounds, arrows, birds, I believe that the hero and the horse are an inseparable pair like riding mongol archers, like man and dog, like bird and cry.

We cann't help nobody if we don't accept our own duality, or better our own identity.

The advice could be: «save your horse and your horse will save you».



Things are not what they seem, don't you agree?

Yours,

Charly

Thanks Charly and maremaria, it's nice to be able to contribute!

In regard to what you said above, Carl Jung saw the horse as a symbol of 'instincts out of control', or the unconscious 'dominating' the conscious mind. Yet in Upanishads it states....

quoted from this web page http://www.aspiringindia.org/upanishads/the_principal_upanishads/brahadaranyaka_upanishad

The Brhadaranyaka Upanishad starts with the description of the sacrificial horse used in the asvamedha sacrifice. The horse is described as follows:

The head of the sacrificial horse is verily the dawn; the eye of the horse is the sun; the vital force, the air; the open mouth, the fire named vaisvanara; the trunk, the year; the back, Heaven; the belly, the sky; the hoof, the earth; the flanks, the four directions; the ribs, the intermediate directions; the limbs, the seasons; the joints, the months and fortnights; the feet, the days and nights; the bones, the stars; the flesh, the clouds; the half-digested food (in the stomach), the sands; the arteries and veins, the rivers; the liver and spleen, the mountains; the hair, the herbs and trees; the forepart, the rising sun; the hind part, the setting sun. Its yawn is lightning, its shaking body is thunder, its making water is rain, its neighing is indeed speech.
(Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.1.1)

Sri Chinmoy interprets this verse in the following manner:

"Why did the Upanishadic seers, the Vedic seers, speak of the horse and not any other animal as the symbol of sacrifice? They realized the speed of the horse, the dynamism of the horse, the faithful and devoted qualities of the horse. Speed is necessary, dynamism is necessary, faithfulness and devotedness are necessary to realize and reveal the Absolute. That is why they chose the horse for religious rites and for help in their awakening.

Just by sacrificing a horse we cannot gain any divine merit. Far from it. One does not have to make a horse sacrifice in this age. We must meditate on the qualities of the horse and invoke these divine qualities to enter into us from Above. The Vedic and Upanishadic seers did this. They succeeded in getting the divine qualities from the horse, and the result was that they entered into Brahmaloka, the highest Heaven."

So the Upanishads see the horse as a symbol of the Cosmos (the Self) Chiron clearly represented the mind 'in control' of the instincts or riding of the horse. He was well educated and clearly aimed higher than most other centaurs......but for some reason, with his encounter with Hercules, was vulnerable in the 'horse part of his body....his leg'?

Something interesting to think about.

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

Nine in the third place means:
Darkening of the light during the hunt in the south.
Their great leader is captured.
One must not expect perseverance too soon.

It seems as if chance were at work. While the strong, loyal man is striving eagerly and in good faith to create order, he meets the ringleader of the disorder, as if by accident, and seizes him. Thus victory is achieved, But in abolishing abuses one must not be too hasty. This would turn out badly because the abuses have been in existence so long.

The purpose of the hunt in the south has great success.

The aim is centered on the hunt. That success comes, that the great leader of the darkening of the light is captured, is not something premeditated, hence the success is all the greater. King Wu had no intention of acquiring personal power and seizing empire for himself; it fell to him because of his character.

LOOKING AT THE TRIGRAMS:

The line is a strong one in a strong place, hense it carries out its intention.

-- --
-- --
-----
The upper nuclear trigram Chen is linked with the horse,

-- --
-----
-- --
the lower, K'an, with the chariot, hence the idea of the hunt.

-----
-- --
-----
Li, in which this is the top line, is the south.
-Wilhelm

 

[ravenstar]

Hmm, I'm not sure I'm on the right track here.....but I'm sure you will all set me straight!

South in Shamanism is the place of innocence and trust, a place where we take things one step at a time, and a place of seeing what is directly before us.....a place of childlike wonder.

Like Chiron, after being wounded, we can physically stumble around in the fog for a while. Is it the ego that has been captured?

The prince, makes me think of a story The Little Prince, the innocent child and explorer. A child who possesses 'great feelings'.

In Caroline Myss's archeptypal cards she quotes the prinice as

"can manifest as a man with great feelings of entitlement, who uses his position and power purely to advance his own interests without regard for the needs of others."

eek! So is this an energy (shadow) that is nice, nice to your face, then seems to or could undermine you when the prince wants what he wants?

Is this where we are challenged in our woundedness to become aware of our thoughts perceptions and how we communicate with others? Are we being intimidated by others and what they expect of us? When this happens we lose tourch with our own ideas and opinions? Are we to be receptive to others feedback but reserve the right to assess and choose for ourselves? If we want to react or get angry because our leader has been captured....should we instead use this anger or reaction to spur us into action for our own development?

ravenstar

 

[maremaria]

Hi ravenstar,

Funny, I was thinking about little prince this weekend. When you mentioned chiron , which is a myth of my country , I was frustrated (with me not with you) that I have forgot it. And that remind me the little Prince and who we the people forgot the simple truths as we grow older and that muths ( simple stories, simple truths) we have learn in our chilhood are replaced with reality.

Chiron is a mythical entity. Now days we call him ‘therapist” same thing. Same patterns. Wounds and how they can heeled . How can our wounds can heel us. How can help us understand ourselfs and others.(something like that you said too) To see what is invisible to the eye as the fox said to Little Prince. But this requires to go to the “south”
What south means is not very clear to me yet. What Lise says about this line make sence to me now.

LiSe 36.3 :

If your mind is low, then go hunting in the fields of Hypochondria – the South, the belly, the domain of emotions. Giving your thoughts a connection with physical sensations may not solve anything yet, but it opens the gateway for recovery. Tangible things attract concrete solutions.

Maybe a gateway back to home (24)


Maria

 

[charly]

...Just by sacrificing a horse we cannot gain any divine merit. Far from it. One does not have to make a horse sacrifice in this age. We must meditate on the qualities of the horse and invoke these divine qualities to enter into us from Above. The Vedic and Upanishadic seers did this. They succeeded in getting the divine qualities from the horse, and the result was that they entered into Brahmaloka, the highest Heaven."...

Thanks Ravenstar:

I believe that Indian literature can be useful for undestanding chinese text because of some reciprocal influences and some common evolutions stages.

• Horses are sacrified guys, among the best man friends.
• Ma (horse) sound doubled is used in chinese for «mom», also sacrified indeed.

In ancient China, rural people worshipped the Ox King and Horse King. They acknowledged the role oxen and horses had played in the development of agriculture and believed they shouldn't be forgotten. Here, the Ox King looks like a venerable scholar , corresponding to the ox's slow movement and endurance, whereas the Horse King appears as a masked military officer with four arms , symbolizing the horse's fiery disposition and quick movements. The suckling calf and newborn colt in the foreground signify the farmers' desire that the gods bless them with bumper harvests and healthy domestic animals.

From: http://www.chinavista.com/experience/joss1/deities3.html

Yours,

Charly

 

[charly]

... And that remind me the little Prince and who we the people forgot the simple truths as we grow older and that muths ( simple stories, simple truths) we have learn in our chilhood are replaced with reality...

María:

"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."

Saint Exúpery: The Little Prince
from: http://wolfweb.unr.edu/homepage/shubinsk/fox.html

I like The Litle Prince too. And the Fox.

Yours,

Charly

 

[charly]

...Darkening of the light during the hunt in the south. Their great leader is captured. One must not expect perseverance too soon...
... the great leader of the darkening of the light is captured...
-Wilhelm

Rosada:

The chinese text:

明ming2: clear / bright / to understand / licid /
夷yi2: barbarian / archer / arrow /
于yu2: at / to
南nan2: south / southern /
狩shou4: small animal hunt / hunting /

得de2: obtain / get / gain /
其qi2: his / her / its / that / such / 's /
大da4: big / great /
首shou3: head / chief /

不bu4: un ... (negative prefix) / not / no /
可ke3: ... able / can / may /
疾ji2: sickness / disease / hate / envy /
貞zhen1: omen / divination / perseverance /

Maybe:

The BRIGHT ARCHER HUNTING SMALL ANIMALS AT THE SOUTH...
...GETS SUCH a BIG HEAD ...
.. that's an OMEN He CANN'T ENVY nothing.

Big gains, he must not envy anybody, somebody can envy him.

Yours,


Charly

 

[rosada]

Karcher says of this line,
"In the midst of very considerable difficulties, you find the central illusion that is causing the chaos. Though it may act slowly, this will release you from the pain and sadness that afflict you. It lets you open your heart once more."

A friend of mine has been feeling distraught as she feared she was going to have to move once again. Today she learned that her partner only meant he wanted a vacation. Not only has the chaos lifted now that she doesn't have the illusion her husband is looking to sell their house, she is also feeling like she can start making friends in her new neighborhood - "open her heart again", after so many sudden moves in the past.

 

[ravenstar]

Wow! Thanks Charly

I believe that Indian literature can be useful for undestanding chinese text because of some reciprocal influences and some common evolutions stages.

Horses are sacrified guys, among the best man friends.
Ma (horse) sound doubled is used in chinese for «mom», also sacrified indeed.

I think your right Charly. I didn't even think of this when replying to this thread. Very interesting about the Ma (horse) sound doubled is used in chinese for mom......I didn't know that!

And maremaria

Funny, I was thinking about little prince this weekend. When you mentioned chiron , which is a myth of my country , I was frustrated (with me not with you) that I have forgot it.

Aw don't be frustrated. That's why we need others....they help us to remember getting a sense of vision, a thought, a memory.

And this is so true!

And that remind me the little Prince and who we the people forgot the simple truths as we grow older and that muths ( simple stories, simple truths) we have learn in our chilhood are replaced with reality.

Our reality is the box we put ourselves in. We've become very complex creatures haven't we, overburdened with day to day life. Imagine seeing through the eyes of a child, what wonder, what beauty, what a wonderful life!

And thanks rosada, this makes this 3rd line so much clearer. I'm very new at the I Ching and there's so much to understand and learn!

Karcher says of this line,
"In the midst of very considerable difficulties, you find the central illusion that is causing the chaos. Though it may act slowly, this will release you from the pain and sadness that afflict you. It lets you open your heart once more."

A friend of mine has been feeling distraught as she feared she was going to have to move once again. Today she learned that her partner only meant he wanted a vacation. Not only has the chaos lifted now that she doesn't have the illusion her husband is looking to sell their house, she is also feeling like she can start making friends in her new neighborhood - "open her heart again", after so many sudden moves in the past.

Thanks guys,

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

Six in the fourth place:

He penetrates the left side of the belly.
One gets at the very heart of the darkening of the light,
And leaves the gate and courtyard.
-

"He penetrates the left side of the belly," that is, he finds out the inmost sentiment of the heart.

-- --
-- --K'un, the upper primary trigram, means the belly.
-- --

-- --
-- -- Chen, the upper nuclear trigram, means the left side - hence the left side of the
----- belly.
The line stands near the lord of darkness, thus it finds out his inmost sentiment and can take itself out of danger in good time. Staying on would mean sacrificing oneself to no purpose.

 

[rosada]

I always like to see Joseph Murphy's take on the lines. He's the one who wrote "Secrets of the I Ching" which attempts to match biblical passages with the hexagrams. For 36.4 he has:

"The words of a talebearer are as wounds and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly (Proverbs 26:22). The belly in the I Ching and the Bible means the subconscious mind. You are capable of penetrating into the darkness of the other person's mind, You are not responcible for negative patterns in the other's mind. Turn to the Healing Light within yourself. Do not get involved. Bless the other and walk on."
-Murphy

 

[Trojina]

For me 36.4 is "you get away with it" - its a sneaky line and you might be acting a bit shady but here you're justified, you have to do what you have to do. You go undercover, acheive your mission and get away with it.

 

[rosada]

If 36.4 is getting away with something, how would you explain the connection between 36.4>55? If 36.4 leads to 55. being "like the sun at midday", that sounds like whatever's a secret comes out in the open? Or is it that what has been secret comes out in the open just to you? And that if you "leave the gate and courtyard"(36.4) you can "be not sad"(55) about leaving?

Hmm..noting that the IMAGE for 55. says, "The superior man decides lawsuits and carries out punishments." While mulling this over I had a call from a lady who discovered her boyfriend was cheating (36.4) and left him. Now he's wanting to take her to court for items he claims she took with her (55).

 

[Trojina]

If 36.4 is getting away with something, how would you explain the connection between 36.4>55? If 36.4 leads to 55. being "like the sun at midday", that sounds like whatever's a secret comes out in the open? Or is it that what has been secret comes out in the open just to you? And that if you "leave the gate and courtyard"(36.4) you can "be not sad"(55) about leaving?

Hmm..noting that the IMAGE for 55. says, "The superior man decides lawsuits and carries out punishments." While mulling this over I had a call from a lady who discovered her boyfriend was cheating (36.4) and left him. Now he's wanting to take her to court for items he claims she took with her (55).

I'm sure 36.4 has many more depths of meaning than 'getting away with it' - its just for me personally thats how its played out in a pretty literal way - more than once and er thats how i feel about it on a gut level.

In 36.4 you are not setting out to harm others but to protect yourself, to protect your own light. This may mean being somewhat underhand but in a good cause. In 36.4 you are right up close to that which threatens your integrity, you can see it for all that it is, it is revealed to you, but it doesn't catch you, you escape.

As for its connection to 55 well to be honest I don't really trouble myself about seeking a connection but if i had to I'd maybe see 55 as a culmination of the situation and maybe 'getting away with it', as being successful in your subterfuge to protect your light is a culmination of the situation. Also like I said in 36.4 your enemy is revealed to you, you know it it and in 55 all you need to know is there. The fan yao 55.4 is said to be a kind of mirror image of the line and in 55.4 ''he meets his hidden lord' - he makes perhaps some kind of secret connection -

 

[rosada]

Hi,
In the situation I was refering to the woman discovered her boyfriend was having an affair. She had been unhappy with the partnership anyway, but trying to make things work. When she discovered he had been unfaithful it was 36.4 like in that she now had discovered the inmost sentiment of his heart and could feel justified in leaving - that is, she could get away with breaking up with him without apology. I thought it interesting that he then, rather than being able to just accept he'd been a jerk and lost her, has been threatening to take her to court on some bogus charge. so it was as if the 36.4 led to 55 which refers to lawsuits, "The superior man decides lawsuits and carries out punishments." so I just thought it was interesting that there was a sort of 36.4 incident and then a sort of 55. incident, but I don't understand why one would lead to the other. Especially cause 36.4 says leaving, slipping away unseen, and then 55 is everything out in full view???

 

[Trojina]

Well in order to slip away unseen you have to be pretty much aware of every danger surrounding you. But also in the lines of 55 there is much about ones view being obscured, as in line 2 and 3. Also perhaps its not quite right to say in 55 everything is out in full view, rather I meant that the situation is full, ripened, matured but has many possibilities within it, so many in fact it can be hard to see the wood for the trees. 55 is profusion, so much going on you don't know where to look, where to focus.

But then I don't see a line automatically 'leading to' the hexagram it changes to in terms of meaning as the relating hexagram is the context (inc past/present/future) not always a future tendency. Also often it simply does not fit and trying to make a connection or a perfect link where there isn't one seems dubious to me so i don't worry over it much -like for example how can 36.6 'lead to' 22 ? I do tend not to look much further than the hexagram I'm in so to speak. I think i have a pretty narrow view whereas you are trying much harder to make connections and do seem to be developing a much broader view of how all the hexagrams inter -relate. Thats a good thing, you help me widen my viewpoint :bows:

Yes I see how your friends situation did appear to be like 36.4. I guess i would see that situation as in the midst of profusion(55) where she could perceive many different factors she saw through to the heart of the trouble and took effective evasive action (36.4). Infact the legal process in 55 could be said to be her own decision to quit with him. You are seeing the 55 as a follow on from the 36.4, but I'm not necessarily - see what I mean - phew this is complex

 

[charly]

For me 36.4 is ... a sneaky line ... you might be acting a bit shady ... you have to do what you have to do...

Troyan:

I also believe that the advice is «do your work»

the chinese text:

入ru4: to enter /
于yu2: at / to
左zuo3: left / left side / east side / improper /
腹fu4: belly / paunch /

ENTER INTO LEFT BELLY
enter into the xxx belly

獲huo4: to catch / to obtain / to capture /
明ming2: clear / bright / to understand / lucid /
夷yi2: barbarian / tribe / bird / wound /
之zhi1: 's / him / her / it /
心xin1: heart / mind /

CATCH MING-YI ' S HEART
catch the heart of MingYi

于yu2: at / to / in
出chu1 / to go out /
門men2: door / gate / passage
庭ting2: court / courtyard /

IN GOING OUT GATE COURT
by going out the gate's court

At firsth it seems that it exhort us to take an omen from bird entrails, enter to the left belly, take the heart... Thus Ming-Yi is a bird?

But it follows: by means of exiting from the court ! We are entering, we are exiting (not our hands). It's not about taking omens.

It's about we entering in a house, or in a body. But which house? Which body? Shady project indeed.

One thing is clear Ming-Yi has a heart. Ming-Yi may be a bird. If we are Ming-Yi we are taken our own heart.

Maybe the advice for a rescue: hurry up, enter sneaky, take the main and get away. It's about entering and exiting, passing by. Anb about getting the most important.

Maybe ...

Yours,


Charly

 

[rosada]

Ah! Hadn't thought of 55. Abundance as meaning a profusion of things and one needing to cut through to what is important, but yes, of course, that would explain why the advice for 55. is DECIDE lawsuits, that is, decide out of all the profusion of facts, which are the important ones. Thank YOU! :bows:

Thank you, too, Charly for posting these translations for us. I'm just amazed anyone was ever able to reach an understanding of the symbols when they have so many possible meanings.

 

[miakoda]

Dobro had a different take on this line in another thread:


...when you draw 36.4, the Yi's telling you that you're penetrating to the heart of the matter, to the heart of what's queering everything, and that by doing so you are free to emerge from the situation, emerge into a realm of freer movement. Ta-da! (That's why the relating hexagram is 55 - very sweet.)



And I seem to remember a thread (although I can't find it now) that saw this line as being a description of capturing someone's cold heart, then leaving the darkness behind to move into 55. I don't know if anyone has had any direct experience with it turning out that way, but it makes sense with 55 as the resulting hexagram.

Cheers,

Miakoda

 

[proserpine]

Hexagram 36 eclipse or Sun going down

It's an eclipse of *your* light! The Sun is blocked by the earth and so the light is not showing now.It's an eclipse of sorts, or, the Sun is hidden by the earth.
You can't speak up, and be heard and understood, so the various ways to handle the cruelty and "darkness" are discussed.
It is an eclipse of sorts reallyu, because the ruiler and you are not able to see one another (understanding, and truth are eclpsed.But the image is that of the Darkness representing the head/ruler/mind/ reason/higher-ups /one's higher mind).
Different than #55.
Think about it--36 is also called "Darkening of the Light"
(usually your own light or can be referring to the rulers' light meaning he (whatever "he" represents to you in your situation) is not able to see the truth because of darkness that has encroached.
#55 refers to Sun at midday shining brightly, and (whomever) enjoying it (although I'm wiht the woman who said she hates sun--me too).But the metaphor is to shine and be seen in the Sun, because as usual the light wil be impaired again, before it clears and/or rises again.
So enjoy it now, and be happy, and at peace.
In Darkening of the Light, no.36, there is no peace and happiness except for acceptance of the impossibly twisted, darkened condition.Our inner atitude has to be sure and whole--our inner self that no one can touch --hold on to that, because the King and his men--are not hearing you and you might as well not try.