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Just had a casting of 38.2.4.6 tonight and was nodding distractedly at the Wilhem commentary for it when it struck me:

Nine in the second place means:
One meets his lord in a narrow street.
No blame.

As a result of misunderstandings, it has become impossible for people who by
nature belong together
to meet in the correct way. This being so, an accidental
meeting under informal circumstances may serve the purpose, provided
there is an inner affinity between them.


how can there not be an inner affinity if they by nature belong together?!

Weird.

And Lise has a completely different slant on this line, disregarding the 'meeting' of Leader and interprets this line as basically 'beat to the sound of your own drum' (if I understand it correctly);
Bradford again alludes to a difficulty of two people joining together in open and having to meet in secret.
I guess another way to look at this line would be as a situation where an 'enemy of my enemy becomes my friend'. Perhaps that way of looking at it suits Wilhem commentary the best.

Any ideas? I bet this has been discussed to death already and I'm just embarrassing myself by asking about something Everyone knows about. :eek:
 

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the only thing i have to say about this line is I never found it to actually mean meeting anyone accidentally in a lane or anywhere else....or joining with someone with whom theres an inner affinity that is hard to openly admit...or indeed any of the general ascribed meanings

I remain pretty clueless about its practical application.


Seems to be a line where everyone knows what its meant to mean but no one has any actual experience of how it plays out in real life. Everyone gets the description but to me I need to see it a few times acted out in life to get a feel for what it really means and I haven't yet


:mischief: surely that statement will goad someone to describe how it played out for them exactly as it says ?


Just checked wiki and it just the usual stuff there...and also says its hard to miss the person at such close quarters


I imagine its like being stuck in a lift with someone you have been in awe of and afraid to speak to. You'd have to chat if you were stuck in a lift with them...wouldn't you ? But thats not good enough...I'd really like to hear some real life examples
 

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Connecting with the true and reliable dimension of yourself or someone else. I generally prepare for some alone time in good company, for a duration when at loggerheads with the outside world. 55.1 is a similar paradigm. The opposing dimensions are 21 and 51 respectively, times when composure and wise judgement are called for. It's usually an fairly effortless union so long as one is drawn without resistance, finding a ready ally. They are usually met in a quiet inner place.
 

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For me meeting a "master" means meeting someone who can tell you what to do, who can give advice or teach. If that is on some public place, you find advice which is commonly accepted. In an alley you get the weird kind, very individual, maybe not at all approved of by others.

I got this line when I met someone who was certainly not approved of by the people I live with, but who was for me a great help. Without him I would have had a very hard time.

It did not do any harm to anyone, so I did not listen to the protests.

That master does not have to be a person, it may be your own insight or experience, which teaches you what to do or how to go on.
 

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Thank you all. I think I agree with you Trojan - 38.2 never seems to be about meeting another person, but instead, some hidden part of yourself. I am now thinking of it as a "You get it" moment. Which would also explain seeming discrepancy in the the lines of *people who by nature belong together meet if there is an inner affinity between them*, although people bit still seems to be way off.
I don't know, I think I have a lot of trouble with 38 in general. Just looking a the last line of Bradford's commentary of 38.6 and it threw my entire understanding of that line out of the window. Say what? But I thought...And now you say...Argh

I do get the whole estrangement part, but the individual lines are confusing rather than clarifying. and now I've forgotten what the resulting hexagram was - how do you work this out?
 

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I do get the whole estrangement part, but the individual lines are confusing rather than clarifying. and now I've forgotten what the resulting hexagram was - how do you work this out?
Hi, Grace:

Shaughnessy (1) pointed that the actors of H.38 could be stars and lunar mansions of the chinese sky. The Carting Ghosts, the Led Ox, the Heavenly Swine, and so on. But, of course, the lines do not speak openly of stars and constellations but, hiddenly, about some apparent behaviors of it.

Two of the verbal words that appear in five of the six lines are:

jian4: to see / to MEET / to interview / [lines 1, 3, 6]
yu4: MEET WITH / [lines 2, 4, 6]

I believe that H.38 is about CASUAL MEETINGS between people with OPPOSING aims, stories or circumstances, that were fated to meet, like PREDESTINED LOVERS.

AT EACH LINE THERE ARE TWO OPPOSING ACTORS MEETING:

38.1: the LOST HORSE that will return by himself and the EVIL PERSON that has lost his proper way and, presumably, will also return to it by his own.

38.2: The MASTER / LEADER and, implicit, PEOPLLE FROM THE ALLEY / LOW PEOPLE, whose meeting is no wrong. (2)

38.3: The CART and its OXEN, toys of the destiny whose agent is DEATH, represented by the hairless, noseless, RIDER.

38.4: The ORIGINAL HUSBAND, maybe the legal husband, and the FURTIVE LOVERS, captives of their own passions. (3)

38.5: The ANCESTORS, the moral conscience, and the DESCENDANTS [WE], whose remorse will pass earlier or later.

38.6: The MUDDY SWINE and the CARTING GHOSTS, both under the bow of destiny, the archer that shoots the bow. Like MEN and WIVES united by FORCE that will meet the joy of marriage (rain).


At each line there is a couple that joins by chance or by destiny, like STRANGERS in the NIGHT, say, like STARS in some LUNAR MANSIONS of the chinese sky.(4)

Two lonely people, we were strangers in the night,
Up to the moment when we said our first hello, little did we know.

Charlie “Hoss” Singleton
Charlie Singleton wrote songs for the stars.
http://www.jaxhistory.com/journal3.html


What do you believe? Maybe for a better understanding we need a literal translation of the received text. Soon I will post it, if you want.


All the best,


Charly

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(1) if you have not Shaughnessy, can read Rutt p. 331,332)
(2) The ALLEY, is maybe a disreputable narrow street, the street of brothels or something not so good for a Master. Chinese words are not gendered, why not a MISTRESS?
(3) jiao fu: to f_ck, to join, to meet and captive, cought, say LOVE CAPTIVES.
(4) A couple that are strange one for another till they join and know...
Ch.

P.D.:
Lonely people one:
http://imgcache.chinayes.com/cnews/20120409/201204091244470365340.jpg

Lonely people two:
http://imgcache.chinayes.com/cnews/20120409/201204091241162398450.jpg

Meeting:
http://imgcache.chinayes.com/cnews/20120409/201204091241162863990.jpg

After rain:
http://imgcache.chinayes.com/cnews/20120409/201204091244471301196.jpg

Source:
http://tw.twent.chinayes.com/Content/20120409/kfjpyel04izx8.shtml

Ch.
 
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Thank you all. I think I agree with you Trojan - 38.2 never seems to be about meeting another person, but instead, some hidden part of yourself. I am now thinking of it as a "You get it" moment. Which would also explain seeming discrepancy in the the lines of *people who by nature belong together meet if there is an inner affinity between them*, although people bit still seems to be way off.
I don't know, I think I have a lot of trouble with 38 in general. Just looking a the last line of Bradford's commentary of 38.6 and it threw my entire understanding of that line out of the window. Say what? But I thought...And now you say...Argh

I do get the whole estrangement part, but the individual lines are confusing rather than clarifying. and now I've forgotten what the resulting hexagram was - how do you work this out?

:confused: you work it out by seeing which lines are changing from yang to yin or yin to yang


I feel there has to be an element of unavoidabilty with this line...(i don't think that is a word...but you get my drift.....)

I'm feeling I get further in understanding lines by acting them out in my head in a simple human way....which is what they describe. We get to think its all so terribly complicated ......but in the end the situations described in Yi are how people act and have always acted.

Imagine you really don't feel comfortable with someone and you'd just rather avoid them....not that they are your enemy but they just seem a bit 'weird'..:freak:.but one day in a back street they are walking straight towards you and you can hardly pretend you haven't seen them....so some kind of exchange has to take place....(otherwise you will both look silly :eek:) Due to this exchange they don't seem nearly so weird later on. 21 is the relating hexagram so 38.2 is about biting through estrangement/oddness/ unease/different perspectives. Here in line 2 one is kind of confronted with what the difference between you is.


To understand it more perhaps you could visualise the scene the line describes... let your imagination place you in this alley...with the issue of your question coming towards you. Theres no where to go, you have to look this guy :freak: in the eye...and you 'get ' his total weirdness a bit more...and yes i guess this could be something pretty unknown within the self too.

All this is speculative as I cannot think of any concrete example of 38.2...even though I have been casting the coins for about a century now. Latley I'm finding placing myself in the scene the Yi describes is much more helpful than heavy reliance on commentaries, though they are always helpful of course


Actually there was someone living close to me who passed me by most days and yet we couldn't quite say hello.. :confused: and I had gotten to the stage where I almost believed she actively disliked me, though she didn't know me. One day we met by chance at a very small gathering in someones house and of course in that scenario we had to talk to each other and so this person who was a great mystery...was just a person afterall :D


However I did not cast 38.2 about that situation....shame it would have fitted quite well ... :rolleyes:
 

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BTW I can recall getting this line sometimes when asking about people I was really desperate to bump into unavoidably in a side alley ;)....and I thought this line meant I was going to...but no such luck :rolleyes:

I guess as well we shouldn't forget its not just anyone he meets in the alley...its his 'master' as Lise says....whatever that means to you. Doesn't mean much to me I confess

So maybe my neighbour example wouldn't really fit at all...anyway.
 

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But just who the duelists are is determined within the experience, subjectively.
 

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Funny cuz 38.2-21 was my reading for today. I can see the irony of the duel (or duet), and the necessity.

I further asked for an image to more specifically describe the first answer: 6.1-10.

Both fit, or I should say, oversee a particular event which involves a pain/gain pairing. No free ride kinda thing. In this case, using a frozen left shoulder to lift an arm, to lift a hand, to let 5 fingers reach the fret board. The opposition comes from the drive to play and the mind to get past the pain. The way to union was biting the bullet, one way or the other. I chose to play and pay. It just makes a personal bit of a stir is all. Overall, it was greatly needed.
 

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Thank you all for the wonderful contributions. This will now be one of those really useful reference threads because of You!

Charly - it would be wonderful if you would post a literal translation of the received text.

I must admit to being a complete philistine and only using online resources. :eek: I have no access to other texts.

Thinking back to to what my question was for 38.2.4.6 > 24, I think that maybe I had asked about a general status of where I am right now, or perhaps how to ensure I get back on the right path for me (which has been playing on my mind a lot around the time I cast this).

according to charly and meng, meeting someone else would seem to be central in this reading - am I correct in saying that? I keep meeting people all over the place lately, but I do wonder if there is perhaps a key person that will be instrumental in shaping my future that I am yet to meet? How would 24 play into this? I guess I did ask about my correct path which one always assumes involves the element of return.

So, if there really is an actual person to be met - would I know them by the 38.6 - where I think them robber first (i.e. enemy that turns into a friend)? And would the whole cast then seem to suggest that I have to meet this person first before I can find my correct path?

This is vexing, I am not used to including other people in my plans. :D

But as Trojan says, it really doesn't always seem to be about meeting other people (unless Trojan your readings referred to meeting people you just didn't realise were the people from the casting?).

I also wanted to ask about the .2.4.6 grouping of lines, and whether they are known to have particular signficance. I just received 64.2.4.6 when asking about (as it happens) someone I met recently and more extensively today, and it occurred to me that perhaps combination of those particular changing lines may mean something in itself.

I've met a lot of new people very recently and they could turn out to be important in my life long term or they could turn out to be people I associate with for a short time (they are all work people). Question is, does 38 refer to people we already know well, or new people?
 

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according to charly and meng, meeting someone else would seem to be central in this reading - am I correct in saying that? I keep meeting people all over the place lately, but I do wonder if there is perhaps a key person that will be instrumental in shaping my future that I am yet to meet? How would 24 play into this? I guess I did ask about my correct path which one always assumes involves the element of return.

Speaking for me, I can never tell whether it will be an internal and an actual physical meeting. It in no way has been limited to external meetings for myself. An external meeting (to me) is an affirmed inner meeting. Not for the better always, but to know when it is fortunate is indeed fortunate. But I don't lose sight of the condition of opposites, which is condition, meaning, likely coming from different places, opposite places often.

The assumption is that 24 always means to draw inwardly. For me, most of the time it is, but there have been times that it was activity or relationship or some condition that is home to me, such as say a particular job (out there), which feels right (in here). I think that's the general sense of meeting in a narrow and an unlikely and unexpected place or manner is very significant. For example, you can return to someone, but only in a 24 sense if that someone is a real part of you.
 

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thanks meng - this goes back to what I originally said - to me, the line simply felt as a *I get it* moment. Like reconnecting with flow or some such. Maybe that's the answer. I keep wandering all over the place and losing myself and I want to keep meeting with my Master instead.
 

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thanks meng - this goes back to what I originally said - to me, the line simply felt as a *I get it* moment. Like reconnecting with flow or some such. Maybe that's the answer. I keep wandering all over the place and losing myself and I want to keep meeting with my Master instead.

Yeah, I can agree with that "I get it" moment. But it can also be more, like a series of I get it moments, a progression. Never underestimate the power of a master, especially the one in yourself, who may have an opposite inclination to the other one in you. lol

And I maintain that such an individual may show up in the flesh too, even if first appearing as opposition. In school, many times best friends are formed only after they fight.
 

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it's funny, as right now I am undergoing a massive battle within myself. I am having to perform in a certain way 'out there' which I find painful and unappealing but which other people value a lot it would seem. So right now I am arguing with myself - do I stay and battle on, as I get to do a lot of stuff I do like to do although it may not seem valuable to others, and do this other stuff I really dislike doing and that stresses me out but which seems to hold high value to others, or do I just cut loose (yet again) and keep searching.

And on the people front, I met this person who seemed friendly then hostile, so we'll see what they are like the next time I see them. On the other hand, a person I thought was a good friend, recently turned very cold and distant for reasons I cannot fathom. So it's all a bit... 38.2 could mean any of those things or not. I should learn to ask more specific questions..
 

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I also wanted to ask about the .2.4.6 grouping of lines, and whether they are known to have particular signficance. I just received 64.2.4.6 when asking about (as it happens) someone I met recently and more extensively today, and it occurred to me that perhaps combination of those particular changing lines may mean something in itself.

?

I find it useful in a very broad brushstroke kind of a way to notice the change patterns...I do think they are significant...helpful anyway for a basic picture of what underlies your question in terms of motivation and way through the situation.

If you turned all the moving lines to yang lines with lines 2.4.6. moving (and made all unchanging lines yin) it would give you hexagram 64. So your questions are broadly to do with a transition not yet completed...that is what is taking you into the question. IThats the yang change pattern, the 'way in' to the reading.

For the yin change pattern, the way through and 'out of' the reading you make all the changing lines 2.4..6 into yin lines (and make unchanging lines yang) you get hexagram 63...completion. So perhaps the basic thrust behind all your questions lately are coming from the basis of making a transition complete.


I only just learned about this in CC but now I can't help but notice the pattern the change lines make, they have some significance as you rightly notice
 

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I keep meeting people all over the place lately, but I do wonder if there is perhaps a key person that will be instrumental in shaping my future that I am yet to meet? How would 24 play into this? I guess I did ask about my correct path which one always assumes involves the element of return.

So, if there really is an actual person to be met - would I know them by the 38.6 - where I think them robber first (i.e. enemy that turns into a friend)? And would the whole cast then seem to suggest that I have to meet this person first before I can find my correct path? This is vexing, I am not used to including other people in my plans. :D

But as Trojan says, it really doesn't always seem to be about meeting other people (unless Trojan your readings referred to meeting people you just didn't realise were the people from the casting?).


I've met a lot of new people very recently and they could turn out to be important in my life long term or they could turn out to be people I associate with for a short time (they are all work people). Question is, does 38 refer to people we already know well, or new people?


I don't really believe in this idea, in bold...that your entire future will be shaped by another person. What would that make you ? Even if heavily enmeshed with someone your own soul has chosen that as its route (for a time) so hex 24 has to be about returning to your own way. I think others might be instrumental in bringing to you what you are ready for or what is evolving in you. But I don't think its like someone else picks you up and tells you...'thats the way to go' and from then on your life path is abundantly clear and you never have to face doubt or existential angst again. So there is no reason to be vexed since we can't escape our individuality and its trials and tribulations as easily as that anyway...:D

Mind you I think we are subtly brainwashed with the idea that this is how it will be....that someone else will come along and make everything abundantly clear about our life direction since I recall having that idea somewhere too and having to unlearn it. It may be a thing particular to girls.... that idea that you won't know where you are until someone comes along to tell you.


You spoke of having a "massive battle" within yourself now and your reading reflects that, I think. It looks like an identity question....you think you have to act a certain way as thats whats expected.. ? So I don't think the reading probably says one specific person will come along and set you straight...more like you yourself find your own way again and it also looks like perhaps that what you perceive as a threat to your authentic self ...isn't (38.6). Perhaps you get to find you can actually be just as you are and still get the benefits you now think you may have to 'play act ' for ?


well i didn't know the exact question...but i see it as a helpful cast for inner turmoil i think.

Looks to me as if others may bring you insights perhaps but doesn't mean you have to subsume your entire personality and follow them...not at all (hex 24)

I mean they could be close emotional connections too, don't know, but the challenge is, for anyone, to be authentically still themselves while relating to another. Sounds like you feel if others have to come into it and show you your path you will have pack the real Precision Grace into a suitcase, send her abroad and be a different version of your self. No wonder you might feel vexed lol

Lucky you won't have to do it and PG can stay....phew....
 

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I don't really believe in this idea, in bold...that your entire future will be shaped by another person. What would that make you ? Even if heavily enmeshed with someone your own soul has chosen that as its route (for a time) so hex 24 has to be about returning to your own way. I think others might be instrumental in bringing to you what you are ready for or what is evolving in you. But I don't think its like someone else picks you up and tells you...'thats the way to go' and from then on your life path is abundantly clear and you never have to face doubt or existential angst again. So there is no reason to be vexed since we can't escape our individuality and its trials and tribulations as easily as that anyway...:D

Mind you I think we are subtly brainwashed with the idea that this is how it will be....that someone else will come along and make everything abundantly clear about our life direction since I recall having that idea somewhere too and having to unlearn it. It may be a thing particular to girls.... that idea that you won't know where you are until someone comes along to tell you.

Oh I agree with you. I think it's ridiculous to expect anyone (including ourselves to a point) to be able to wave the magic wand and then everything will go smoothly. (Blasted Happiness Ever After and whoever invented it) I also agree about the girls thing - we are totally brainwashed into being submissive and following a certain path, although men have their own brainwashing issues to contend with. There is a pecking order everywhere and glass ceilings more than you can count.


You spoke of having a "massive battle" within yourself now and your reading reflects that, I think. It looks like an identity question....you think you have to act a certain way as thats whats expected.. ? So I don't think the reading probably says one specific person will come along and set you straight...more like you yourself find your own way again and it also looks like perhaps that what you perceive as a threat to your authentic self ...isn't (38.6). Perhaps you get to find you can actually be just as you are and still get the benefits you now think you may have to 'play act ' for ?


well i didn't know the exact question...but i see it as a helpful cast for inner turmoil i think.

Looks to me as if others may bring you insights perhaps but doesn't mean you have to subsume your entire personality and follow them...not at all (hex 24)

I mean they could be close emotional connections too, don't know, but the challenge is, for anyone, to be authentically still themselves while relating to another. Sounds like you feel if others have to come into it and show you your path you will have pack the real Precision Grace into a suitcase, send her abroad and be a different version of your self. No wonder you might feel vexed lol

Lucky you won't have to do it and PG can stay....phew....

that's so perceptive, Trojan, it is scary. I was considering trying therapy, but the way it's going, maybe I should just send you the cheque? :D

It's completely true - I have this idea that people cannot like and approve of 'the real' me so I always have to play act to be somebody they can accept. Not even sure what 'real me' means to be perfectly honest, but I think I've just been pushed to compromise my integrity and principles so many times in the past and been made to feel lacking and like I was not good enough that it just makes me feel like I have no intrinsic value. The worst part is that I was obviously complicit in all that which means, I am the one at fault. I think I want to go back to the me who was never wrong and never made mistakes. I could almost swear I was that person once. :rofl:
 

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at least I have a nice view from my bathroom..

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oh and just thought I'd mention that all aforementioned people were encountered today and were friendly.

I'm still leaning with 38 being about inner process. If anyone can tell me how one can be sure if it refers to inner process or outer person, please do.
 
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I have known this line to indicate an actual encounter. I received it once shortly after the breakup of a ten year relationship, during which time none of our mutual friends (especially the ones to whom my ex had introduced me) knew quite how to respond. Most complicated, for me, were the ex's best friend & his wife--a couple we had socialized with a great deal. I consulted about them more than once, and my bewildered outcast status in general.

Nothing happened immediately, i.e. I didn't find myself in that narrow lane the following day or the day thereafter. I did however run into them at least twice in the months that followed, in unexpected settings--once on a subway platform, another time on the street--encounters made less awkward by randomness.

I don't mean to suggest I now take 38.2 literally, per Wilhelm. I do however feel somewhat reassured whenever this line is received, knowing the source of estrangement (whatever it might be) is circumstantial, not personal. Things will never be as they were, but eventually that won't feel weird.
 

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just thought I'd post a little update, although it's not really an update - still don't think I've met an actual person. Have made many castings since this one and they all more or less made sense, but this one is still confusing me. I do get a lot of resulting 24 and I know I'm in process of getting back to my *true dao*, for lack of a more adequate phrase.

I did cast another, 'what should I know about my situation' cast on 20th May and received 40.1.2.4.6 > 27 Curious that 2.4.6 pattern is there again.
 

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just thought I'd post a little update, although it's not really an update - still don't think I've met an actual person. Have made many castings since this one and they all more or less made sense, but this one is still confusing me. I do get a lot of resulting 24 and I know I'm in process of getting back to my *true dao*, for lack of a more adequate phrase.

I did cast another, 'what should I know about my situation' cast on 20th May and received 40.1.2.4.6 > 27 Curious that 2.4.6 pattern is there again.
Hi, Grace:

I apologize for the translations that I still owe you.

With H.40 don't trust all the things that are said by W/B.

THE ADVICES OF 40.2.4.6:

H.40: Release, liberation.
Hurry up to end unsolved conflicts and pending tasks. Then, return to your center.
Be centered, be yourself, free and active.

40.2:
Be compassionate and will be rewarded. The three foxes were not killed in the chinese received text, only that they were caught. Foxes represent natural drives, instincts. Grateful animals grant magic helping gifts, like golden arrows. Did you see any? I believe that the golden (yellow) arrow must be taken in figurative sense.

40.4:
Release your thumbs [not clear], I believe, thumbs of toes, footwear imprisons thumbs, go on foot. Going barefoot means to be humble and to feel the soil (female energy) under your feet. It also can mean don't play guitar all the time.

40.6:
Hawks are useful servers for those who know how to behave with them. Catch the hawk from atop of the high wall, but don't kill him. A living hawk is much more useful than a killed one. And the hawk has no blame. Beware, don't let the opportunities pass away.

Soon I will post the translations, but meanwhile:

The foxes were not killed in the received text. Nobody goes to give us golden arrows for killing foxes.

NO hawk was killed in the received text, only that he was shot and caught, the usual in hawking. If we are not able to respect other's life, how should we enjoy the ours?


The advices are: for meeting with the person you wait, must keep an attitude of respect with life, must be active in solving pending affairs and must be in your center, free and aware.

Don't you believe it?

All the best,


Charly
 

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Thanks charly! Much to chew over. Especially the bit bout not missing opportunities - I get that a lot because I apparently miss a lot of them. Arrrghh
 

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Well, dear friends, I have had another instance of 38.2 today. Last night I had a really weird dream involving two friends, one of whom was a pointless love interest for most of last and some of this year. Anyway, I asked what was the dream trying to tell me and received 38.1.2.4 > 23 I haven't spoken to either of them for a while and wonder if I should be worried after this hex, or is it maybe simply pointing that my friendship/acquaintance with them has come to and end? 23?
\Still, 38.2 - who is my master here?

In the dream (because I know some of you will want to know), three of us were in an airplane, sitting rows apart. Mr X was far behind, scowling (as he likes to do often), then couple of rows in front was me, then couple of rows in front of me was Mr Y, best friend of Mr X. I was feeling cheerful, Mr X was being grumpy and Mr Y was being worried. Then we hit the worst storm I have ever witnessed, imagination and movies included. I mean, it was just pitch black cloud. And we dipped under this cloud and you couldn't see anything and there was a general sense of panic but somehow I wasn't worried. We came up over the black cloud once or twice and then dipped in again. Then I woke up at the last dip i Think Mr X was trying to tell me something but I can't remember what.
 

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What was the dream trying to tell me?
38.1.2.4 > 23


Life has its ups and downs, and no dark cloud lasts forever. All the lines are about meeting -- the horse comes back, lord in a narrow street, and a like-minded person. So even though there is misfortune, it won't last.
 

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Well, the day after the dream my cat who was getting better took a sudden turn for the worse and I had to take her to the vet and then to hospital. I met with many people that day as well, including my ex who came along to the vet hospital. It was a truly awful day in terms of all the worry and stress about my cat, but at the same time, all the people I met that day, including my colleagues at work and the vet at the hospital and my ex were lovely and supportive.

So, not sure if the dream was foretelling the stress of the following day as the two people who were in the dream were not the one's I interacted with.

PS. My cat is doing much better now, the vet thinks that the turn for the worse was due to slug pallets poisoning - she had been out that day and when she came back in the evening was acting really weird, then had seizures the following day. Why are toxic slug pallets allowed to be sold???
 

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Just had another 38, this time 38.1.2.6 > 16

Only time will tell, but it may very well turn out that at least one of the new people I recently met, may turn out to be more important to me than just a passing acquaintance.

I'm reluctant to give it much weight because people don't tend to stick with me, out of sight, out of mind as they say, so as soon as I'm not in their face, they tend to forget about me. But if I stay at this place of work longer, maybe I'll become good friends with some of them. (incidentally the question was about how to go about becoming good friends with these people)
 

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Just had another 38, this time 38.1.2.6 > 16

Only time will tell, but it may very well turn out that at least one of the new people I recently met, may turn out to be more important to me than just a passing acquaintance.

I'm reluctant to give it much weight because people don't tend to stick with me, out of sight, out of mind as they say, so as soon as I'm not in their face, they tend to forget about me. But if I stay at this place of work longer, maybe I'll become good friends with some of them. (incidentally the question was about how to go about becoming good friends with these people)
Hi, Grace:

Meanwhile I post H.40 and H.38:

H.16:


yu4: beforehand / prepare /
li4: advantage / benefit / profit / profitable /
jian4: to establish / to found / to set up / to build / to construct /
hou2: marquis / nobleman / high official // the target in archery /
xing2, xing4: to move / to go / to act // behavior / conduct /
shi1: army // teacher / master / expert /


Almost literal translation:

BE PREPARED → WARNING.
Beware.
→ Schuessler says: slow and deliberate / anticipate / think beforehand.

PROFITABLE TO BUILD TARGETS.
Good to have goals.
→ If you're not a king how could establish feudal lords?

CONDUCT EXPERT.
Behave like an expert, like a chief.
Move your experience.

Here I understand ENTHUSIASM as being posessed by our own MAIN GOALS, say, not only FEELINGS but also WILL and EXPERIENCE.

There is a joke:
military engineers build weapons,
civil engineers build targets.
... but that's another story.


All the best,


Charly
 

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Thank you charly, I'm not sure what you are getting at, as equally I am not sure why I keep posting random casts here (except that they are the one's I fail to 'get')

Tho must confess, I want to work with these people as well as socialize (i.e. be friends), but only if it is the right thing for me to do and be involved in. (maybe 38.6 over and over again - not sure if these are friends or foes). I still feel reluctant to make my mind up about someone without first knowing how they feel about me, which I know is very cowardly :eek:
 

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