38.3 to 14 then 20.2 to 59

[moegx]

I asked the Yi a question regarding a relationship I am having with a woman I am friends with about two months ago and received 38.3 to 14. I asked a similar question yesterday and received 20.2 to 59. This is a hard one for me to figure out. First my nose is getting cut off in 38.3 and now I am looking through a crack in the door? I would appreciate any help I can get.

Thank You
Moegx

 

[pargenton]

Hi Moegx,
20.2 warns about a limited perspective, maybe your relationship with this woman is a bit superficial ?

Seems to indicate your friend has a short sighted perspective, but please post more details in order to help you.

Paolo

 

[pargenton]

What was the question, exactly ?

 

[moegx]

Hi Paolo,
Thanks for the quick response. The question that I asked was if the relationship would become sexual by the end of the year.

Thanks
Moegx

 

[pargenton]

Ok, now I understand a little more.
Hex 20 talks about contemplation; if we exclude things like voyeurism ehm I'd say the answer suggest a period of pause in the relationship in which you can contemplate things between you a bit deeper.

If this is the situation I'd say line 2 suggests that you have a limited vision of this relationship, and that it could become much different than you think, or may be you do not know actually this woman, but, maybe of sexual attraction, you have a limited or distorted vision of her, so, take the time to analyze and contemplate things.

In a nutshell, I do not see specific indication of a sexual evolution in the relationship.
There is a clear suggestion of a better understanding thru a period of contemplation, and maybe deepening of the relationship, of course if you want it, since hex 59 could indicate a dispersion of your (sex) interest in her.

my 2 cents
Paolo

 

[moegx]

Thanks again Paolo, I find it hard to see a correlation between 38.3 to 14 and 20.2 to 59.
I asked the same question and don?t see how this all fits together. Any input from anyone would be highly appreciated.

Thanks
Moegx

 

[jeanystar]

Dear Moegx
The hexagrams dont contradict each other...38.3 describes someone who observes the "punishment" of one who has gone before on this path.(maybe you?) It seems to be saying stop for now with your desired course of action and there can still be a good ending for you. A bit of caution could be a "great possession".
and 20.2...you're not seeing all that you should here, take time and get a clearer view. echo paola above.
There seems to be things you don't know and which might make you cautious about pursuing a sexual relationship at least for right now.

 

[jte]

38.3 looks like you would have a rough time of trying to make this work.

Alternative interpretation of 20.2:

You're being timid. Why are you asking me about this again? If you really want to try to turn the relationship into something more, go do something about it...

[MHO, there's little promise of success, given the earlier 38.3. You may just end up humiliating yourself or even messing up the friendship. But that *doesn't* mean success is *impossible*. You could go test the waters *very delicately* and see what happens - but that'll have to be your decision.]

- Jeff

 

[schastlivchik]

Dear Moegx:

It seems to me like you have the potential to make this work!

Your first divination, 38.3 to 14 with a hidden gua of 63 seems to say this: She is Li and you are Tui; she had quite a strong effect on you, but the tension, as you were probably aware off on a gut level, made sense only as a deepening friendship. Things seem to be quite comfortable on this level. Yet strengthening the friendship rather than pursue anything more seemed to be the way to take things to the next level with this girl.

Your second divination (20.2 to 59) seems to reveal a more mellow and centered stage in your relationship to her. There seems to be a deeper understanding of each other. It seems as though something has shifted, nonetheless, in your energies, and you can soon broach the subject or taking things further. Would you agree that the intensity or focus of your attraction has matured? You will probably find it easier to make progress with her now than before, especially through December. I wish you the best! Also, feel free to write me with feedback.

Schastlivchik

 

[moegx]

Hi Schastlivchik, thank you for you?re in depth answer. There's some truth in your interpretation and I find it very interesting how different people interpret the lines in different ways. Even going through different books and finding how dissimilar there answer are is frustrating at times. I noticed that you use nuclear hexagrams in your readings and was wondering how you used the nuclear hex 63 in this reading. Have you found that they add something you cannot find in the initial hexagram? Thanks again and if Schastlivchik or anyone else has more to add please feel free.


Thanks
Moegx

 

[seeker]

Yes, it is interesting how different interpretations can be, and I am wondering which one Schastlivchik used.

For the differences in the readings, you said they were two months apart, things change. So I am looking now mostly at 20.2 which I see as putting yourself in her place, seeing things from her point of view. I had an intuitive response, could be way off, but have you asked yourself why you want a sexual relationship with her? Is it just physical attraction or is there something more? Perhaps she may end up developing feelings for you that you do not have for her. In that case, you could hurt her a lot. Like I said, just an intuitive response, could be wrong, but food for thought.

 

[moegx]

Hi Seeker, Thanks for the reply. To answer your questions

?But have you asked yourself why you want a sexual relationship with her??

Since oracles can be quite evasive at times, I thought by asking if the relationship would become sexual it would tell me if it was going to go to the next level.

?Is it just physical attraction or is there something more??

I feel that theirs something more then just physical attraction, but what she feels I do not know.

Thank again for the reply and one other question, how do you think 59 fits into this?

Thanks
Moegx

 

[schastlivchik]

Moegx-- you asked about the nuclear hexagram. The way I applied 63 was simply to examine your question with the two of you in mind as the energies that make up 63, in other words, the two of you mirrored in a hexagram in which all the energies are in perfect balance already.

Working backwards, I then applied this to the initial part, represented by the first hexagram, of your first reading. I truly hope it helped in some way.

Best wishes,

Schastlivchik

 

[seeker]

Sorry this took so long, holidays and other stresses. I think 59 is echoing the changing line and your situation. Using Wilhelm, the first section talks about a man's vital energy being dammed up and breaking through gently. Now there's a sexual image

But the next section talks about letting go of egotism. "But only a man who is himself free of all selfish ulterior considerations, and who perseveres in justice and steadfastness, is capable of so dissolving the
hardness of egotism."

I think you are still being advised to put your own desires aside and look at her feelings and what she wants. You mentioned that you thought asking about a sexual relationship is taking it to the next level. Most women don't operate that way. We take it to the next level in our heart and then to the next level physically. So maybe you are being advised to slow down, work on other areas of the relationship first. Or it could be that what you are unaware of regarding her feelings is that she does not want the kind of relationship with you. I don't think you should ask directly, based on your original 38.3, but maybe test the waters. You referred to her as a friend; have you ever had an actual date with her, or have you just been out as friends? What type of interaction have you had, how well do you know her, etc? Hope that helps