40.2.6 - foxes, hawk -is 40 about people or your own barriers???

[innertruth]

Dear all,

I received 40 with changing lines several times..and now I think I am moving closer to understanding these particular lines.

So for 2 - I understand it as being a situation with many unknown variables which bring uncertainty to the situation - something you don't know, cannot see, "hard to catch", evading factors which could be broadly called FACTOR X which is FOXES (cunning, deceitful, hard to catch) - deceitful because it's hard to grasp the truth for you at this stage of knowledge and within your circumstances.
So 40.2 - advises to take a middle (golden) path - or TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN YOUR DOUBTS>
which is - it cannot straight be you what you think - but partially. So if you guessed about something being true or not - this line speaks of - Yes you partially got it. (What you guys think?)

OR
Can this line be interpreted as - Yes you can get yourself relieved (40) because you managed to kill 3 foxes (grasp the concept/issue) - by straight arrow! BUll's eye.

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Now for 40.6 -- Speaks of hawk being shot down. Again - Is it an instruction to kill your doubts, fears, whatever cripples your liberation from tension that brought you to ask this question.
OR
40.6 tells you to get rid of SOMEONE - if you ask about a person....

I am never sure what Yi is talking about...Of course it largely depends on the question..BUt is Yi always a self-medicating psychotherapy tool that tells you - to work on your fears OR it is an ultimate helper for you to make things better - in which case pointing at BAD persons or potential harm doers...

That's my biggest question...Would love to know your opinions...

I read in Hilary that 40 is about letting go, forgetting the situation...So overall, seems like a good hexagram in all sense - at least something you ask about - you don't really need to be preoccupied with anymore...but those lines though...Or whenever you get 40 - you can just sit back and relax and get that issue out of your mind?

 

[svenrus]

I had once a question about hex. 40 too, yet with another focus, but could You maybe use some of it. The responces to my question then were comprehensive (!)

Here, in this thread: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?18966-Three-foxes-in-the-field&highlight=

 

[Trojina]

To understand your answer well make sure to put yourself in the question.

If you do not know whether to trust someone do not ask 'is he a liar ?' or something like that. Rather ask from your own POV, something like ' Yi can you comment on how advisable it is for me to trust X ?'.

You see it is the same question only from your own POV. Then you will be able to know who Yi is answering.

I am never sure what Yi is talking about...Of course it largely depends on the question..BUt is Yi always a self-medicating psychotherapy tool that tells you - to work on your fears OR it is an ultimate helper for you to make things better - in which case pointing at BAD persons or potential harm doers...

That's my biggest question...Would love to know your opinions...

IMO consulting Yi is a way to help you navigate your way through your life and to be in synch with the natural flow of things around you so you aren't constantly trying to swim upstream when there's a strong current. So potentially it can help you to know when to act or when to stop and rest. It can help you know the nature of the time you are in. It can help you realign yourself with outer and inner realities. So it is a guide FOR YOU. Therefore keep your questions about you and you will find it helpful.


You just posted a thread with the question 'doesn't he love me, yes or no ?' A very unhelpful question for so many reasons we have gone into many times before. How do you think you could get an answer you could use there ? I suggest, given Yi is to guide you and help you, you might ask maybe 'Yi what do I need to know about this relationship ?' or whichever wording you prefer. But please put yourself in the question.

Of course it's not always a therapy tool, it depends what you ask about and of course it can help you anticipate trouble from others. But you are not going to get anywhere at all by asking things like 'is he a liar ?' because actually what he is is not your business with Yi, but what is your business with Yi is how whether he is a liar affects you or not. So if you want to know if he is a liar, for example, then ask about whether it is wise for you to trust him.


Always put yourself in the centre of the question. Some more experienced people might ask about others intentions and feelings and feel they get good answers but personally I think there is no quicker way to misunderstanding the I Ching than for a relative newbie to keep asking about what other people are doing.


You can find that out in terms of what is relevant to you but putting yourself in that question. You feel you cannot trust someone do not not ask 'is he trustworthy ?' rather ask Yi if YOU can trust him.

 

[peter2610]

One kills three foxes in the field
And receives a yellow arrow.
Perseverance brings good fortune.

b) The good fortune of the perseverance of the nine in the second place
is due to its attaining the middle way.

This line usually appears when our progress is hindered by our perceiving an obstruction. The obstruction (the three foxes) might be our smouldering doubt or uncertainty or our perception of an external situation which leads to doubt and uncertainty, they are both dealt with in the same way. Using the yellow arrow of truthful perception we identify the path of the middle way - perseverance. We do not seek to destroy anything, we simply modestly persevere, armed with a quiet certainty, and the foxes eventually fade and disappear.

Regarding your question on the internal/external focus of the I Ching, and speaking only from my own experience I would say that it depends upon the factors in a situation. The I Ching will sometimes address directly situations of importance or danger but it frequently gives a very accurate analogy (ploughing a field, hunting in the forest without the forester, carrying a burden etc etc) which refers both to our mental processes AND the physical situations they create.

 

[innertruth]

Thank you people!!

Trojina, thanks I will write more on what you wrote
For now i askee Yi what you suggested
Can I Trust X?

I received 4.4.6 to 40

I dont like or understand 4...as if it tells me i am stupid...
But again 40!!! Going crazy...
Yi might really tell me I am stupid because of what??....could not figure out it myself about X? 4 means ignorance. 40- clear yourself of ignorance
Means i cannot trust this person. If its correct

 

[innertruth]

IMO consulting Yi is a way to help you navigate your way through your life and to be in synch with the natural flow of things around you so you aren't constantly trying to swim upstream when there's a strong current. So potentially it can help you to know when to act or when to stop and rest. It can help you know the nature of the time you are in. It can help you realign yourself with outer and inner realities. So it is a guide FOR YOU. Therefore keep your questions about you and you will find it helpful.

Always put yourself in the centre of the question. Some more experienced people might ask about others intentions and feelings and feel they get good answers but personally I think there is no quicker way to misunderstanding the I Ching than for a relative newbie to keep asking about what other people are doing.


You can find that out in terms of what is relevant to you but putting yourself in that question. You feel you cannot trust someone do not not ask 'is he trustworthy ?' rather ask Yi if YOU can trust him.

Thank you very much...It is very helpful the way you laid it out...
THANK YOU!!!

 

[Trojina]

Thank you people!!

Trojina, thanks I will write more on what you wrote
For now i askee Yi what you suggested
Can I Trust X?

I received 4.4.6 to 40

I dont like or understand 4...as if it tells me i am stupid...
But again 40!!! Going crazy...
Yi might really tell me I am stupid because of what??....could not figure out it myself about X? 4 means ignorance. 40- clear yourself of ignorance
Means i cannot trust this person. If its correct

Okay 'can I trust X ?' is asking for a yes or a no which can limit how Yi answers..If you ask a question that requires a yes or no you limit the answer to that. But never mind.

If this was my answer the first thing I'd see is hexagram 4 indicates there are things you don't know about this person and what is more you have to live with not knowing. Hexagram 4 is called 'not knowing' not 'you are stupid' but 'you don't know'. There are things in life we have to realise we cannot know. You need to accept that you don't know rather than keep on trying to find a definite answer and you also need to stop beating yourself up about the fact you don't know (4.6)


40 ? What is in front of you ? If you think you need to do something do it. If you don't then don't. Overall this looks to me like accepting you don't know something and getting on with your life meantime until further evidence shows itself.

 

[Tim K]

I've finally managed to add a feature to my app, that allows to see all the lines leading to a hexagram.
I think it will help to understand each hex better.

So here are the leading lines of h40.


54.1 → 40 [failed marriage, get away from relatives/structure, opposing 37]
Legge:
Shows the younger sister married off in a position ancillary to the real wife.
(It suggests the idea of) a person lame on one leg who yet manages to tramp along.
Going forward will be fortunate.

Richmond:
The maiden marries as a concubine.
A lame man can walk.
Active directions bring good fortune.

16.2 → 40 [receptive of freedom, when it's time - it's time (16), free/loose to go whenever (40)]
Legge:
Shows one who is firm as a rock.
(He sees a thing) without waiting till it has come to pass; with his firm correctness there will be good fortune.

Richmond:The firmness of rock. A day not completed. Continuance in the way brings good fortune.

32.3 → 40 [trying to free himself (40) when he really shouldn't (32)]
Legge:
Shows one who does not continuously maintain his virtue.
There are those who will impute this to him as a disgrace.
However firm he may be, there will be ground for regret.

Richmond:
He who is not faithful to continuance meets with disgrace.

7.4 → 40 [receptive that it's not time yet to attack, inferior position in a way, auxiliary squad]
Legge:
Shows the host in retreat.
There is no error.

Richmond:
The army withdraws. No blame.

47.5 → 40 [proper application of power, time to be free, time to fight the oppressors]
Legge:
Shows its subject with his nose and feet cut off.
He is straitened by (his ministers in their) scarlet aprons.
He is leisurely in his movements, however, and is satisfied.
It will be well for him to be (as sincere) as in sacrificing (to spiritual beings).*

Richmond:
His nose and feet are cut off. Opposition to the man with the scarlet sash.
Joy comes slowly. Sacrifice is needed.

64.6 → 40 [too much confidence that things will be OK, being careless]
Legge:
Shows its subject full of confidence and therefore feasting (quietly).
There will be no error.
(If he) cherish this confidence, till he (is like the fox who) gets his head immersed, it will fail of what is right.

Richmond:
Confidence and feasting is no error.
If his head gets wet confidence is lost.


After doing this for a few hexes I got a feeling that 2nd and 5th lines show proper ways of acting according to the idea of a hex. 2nd being passive, and 5th being active.
1 and 4 are kind of 'not enough', immature/failure/not yet/adviser not ruler[4].
On the other side 3 and 6 are 'too much', ignorant/stubborn/insisting on action with bad results.
And 4 5 6 are usually more auspicious, there is an awareness and the decision is made consciously and voluntarily, while 1 2 3 are unaware/childish.

 

[innertruth]

Wow...
Trojina, thank you. Its good to know the reading is not that radical as i always think when see 40 and 4...sounds very calm and reasonable...its good

Ashteroid, what a great sequence! It will be lots of help to see for future castings. Especially this part on lines and level of awareness. It really seems to be the case.

 

[innertruth]

I am always forgetting that Yi is never judgmental so it should be taken in a more thoughtful way...
4 example was amazing

 

[innertruth]

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