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Humans of course also do plenty of this wanton killing. My American ancestors went on some serious killing sprees too. It took a couple of centuries for the numbers to pile up, but in the end we had murdered a lot more Native Americans than Hitler killed Jews - maybe ten million The Aborigines in Australia and lots of African tribes, on their own turf, didn't fare that much better against the white man. Unfortunately, for evolution to be a form of learning for the gene pools, there needs to be some accountability before a behavior will be eventually selected into neverland, and the white man has not been held to account yet. This probably won't happen until his broader, wanton waste of resources catches up with him. But meanwhile, we may have improved the breed of foxes just the teensiest bit by pruning a bit of maladaptive behavior.
Which Hex best sums up Psychopathology?
27 unchanging. Nourishment. In other words, a powerful need and hunger that must be satisfied. Psychopaths can be characterised by a pathological need, or needs of the predator. It is insatiable and all encompassing. In fact, they are primal need personified.
Interesting for a number of reasons.
Topal
Very interesting. Makes me wonder about that blood lust. We do see it in humans however, replicated very precisely indeed as Psychopathology. The fox is just acting on it's innate behaviour; it's "wired in" primal urges as an animal, as a predator to kill.
Like you suggest, there are also other ways of looking at this response. Big chunks of the psychiatric field suggest that psychopathology, neurosis, other maladaptive behaviors are instead born out of the thwarting of needs and hungers, they are not a natural response to or expression of them, and the more fundamental the need, the more twisted and irrational the pathology can get because it gets down into the deeper and older layers of the brain. I still don't think the Fox's overkill is a natural expression of a natural need - I'm still looking for other stressors in the picture that stem from a human presence. Even out here in the middle of nowhere, where the nearest stoplights and Walmarts are 100 miles away, there remain issues of major territory and such between the wild and ourselves and our critters.
Only difference is that, as opposed to humans, foxes don't go berserk against other foxes...
Hi, Bruce:It’s important to see that the unnaturalness of this situation was not due to any fault of the fox. Had the large birds been in their natural habitat rather than caged in an aviary, the fox may have been lucky and skillful enough to kill a bird, and maybe a couple of mice. But as we've all heard, foxes are clever opportunists, which is why they'll probably be here long after we humans are dust.
Humans and beasts are different species, but foxes are between humans and beasts. The dead and the living walk different roads, but foxes are between the dead and the living. Transcendents and monsters travel different paths, but foxes are between transcendents and monsters. Therefore one could say to meet a fox is strange; one could also say it is ordinary.
Human beings and physical objects belong to two different categories; fox-spirits stand somewhere between the two. The paths of light and darkness never converge: fox-spirits stand somewhere between the two. Immortals and demons go different ways; fox-spirits stand somewhere between the two.
Ji Yun, 1789, in Notebook from the Thatched Cottage of Close Scrutiny
from: http://academia.issendai.com/chinese-fox-quotes.shtml
Well, I agree up to a point. But I don't see that 27 implies a qualification of an essential need. These "chunks" of hypotheses you mention and the idea of "thwarting" and neurosis can indeed be attributed to maladaptive behaviours but not to primary or psychopathy. Topal
For chinese they were very special people:
Charly
Brad:... the act of killing three of them was worth
awarding a bronze arrow and engraving the celebrated feat for posterity.
The reason for that is what I was trying to explore here- what caused the
tension that needed to be released (Hex 40) in the image - what force
drew the bowstring tight three times. What end or aim was so clear and
true that it couldn't miss?
Your question was about psychpathology, not about essential needs. The Yi pointed you to essential needs as the place to begin looking. But psychopathologies are not essential needs - they come about by the twarting of essential needs. Several of the Yao Ci point to such problems of malnourishment. I don't see where the confusion is.
My point is that psychopathology IS essential need and one without conscience; and may well be natural for some humans.
Topal
Uhh-
I think you'd better find a good dictionary and look up pathology and pathological.
The meanings are pretty well established as deviant, abnormal, diseased, etc.
You cannot just claim that normal behavior is pathological - your statement is
simply false by definition.
Listener:... it sounds like a story or a fairy tale. The Alien watches the humans celebrate as they finally prevail at killing off this clever enraged wild creature. I suppose on a deeper level it is not really reason to celebrate...
The fox, it turns out, was considered by its very nature ambiguous. It was untamable and inedible, yet possessed quasi-human intelligence and itself hunted close to human habitations. Consequently it became a symbol of the marginal and the semi-legal. Its cult was illicit but widely practised. It was believed to be especially appropriate for people with feelings at variance with the official norms. If you loved someone who was already married, for instance, you wouldn't go to the regular deities for assistance, but the fox spirit might prove sympathetic to your plight.
From: In China, the fox cult lives on
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2006/03/05/2003295907
If a'm not wrong, ZhouYi only speaks of catching the foxes, not about shooting them nor killing them. Yours, Charly
Maybe the arrow was for scratching behind his ears, or handing him chunks of fresh meat.
Maybe the arrow was for scratching behind his ears, or handing him chunks of fresh meat.
Brad:Maybe the arrow was for scratching behind his ears, or handing him chunks of fresh meat.
Luis:...translated by Fu Huisheng...
...he catches three foxes in hunting, and found a yellow arrowhead. He will enjoy good fortune if he keeps to the right way.
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