40.3.6 > 50 What's the probability of Russia invading Ukraine?

[ScorpioC]

Every once in awhile I will ask something like this.

Line 3​

'Shouldering a burden while also riding in a carriage
Invites the arrival of bandits.
Constancy, shame.'

This to me means that Putin has used his propaganda within to the point he couldn't "back down" if he wanted to. He's stirred up a frenzy inside Russia where he's made his country men believe Russia is the one being "attacked."

Line 6​

'A prince uses this to shoot a hawk, on the top of the high ramparts.
He gets it. Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

This to me means that he will successfully drag the US into a war.

Any thoughts?

 

[ScorpioC]

I was hoping that someone would have put their thoughts in on this before the war on Ukraine started.

 

[Trojina]

They did but on lots of other threads about the Ukraine, this one just got missed. It's a good idea if your thread sinks to the bottom of the pile to add another comment to bring it back to the top.

It is very sad news today.

I am gutted

 

[surnevs]

Could hex. 40 mean: Let loose / Get rid of - and thereby giving the answer that the probability is great...
The answer to the inquiry has sadly shown itself. I wonder where in the reading this can be found. According to the NanJing-rule the Judgement is the oracle.

 

[ScorpioC]

They did but on lots of other threads about the Ukraine, this one just got missed. It's a good idea if your thread sinks to the bottom of the pile to add another comment to bring it back to the top.

It is very sad news today.

I am gutted

I am also Trojina. I was hoping to know if I interpreted the reading correctly and if not, what insight someone else could give. THX

 

[surnevs]

- this is a case where a result is at hand, contrary to other readings along the way, the Malaysian aeroplane missing, was it in 2014, earlier? for example, where an answer never came. I'm not a Diviner but find that cases like this open chances to understand the answers given by the I Ching (40.3.6 > 50 What's the probability of Russia invading Ukraine? They did !) My take on it, on #4, should rather be taken as an input than what I'm convinced of: I know very well to an example that the NanJing-rule * is discussed and that other rules concerning determining between multiple moving lines including the one HeyLise once published ** can seem confusing, but this is the one that I, now and then, take into consideration, others here got other ways, so it is. The chance, despite all of this, is here now with this reading (#1) to study how the I Ching told us what is happening now, since this morning (24' of February 2022).
Please take this as a note and nothing more.
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*) https://www.biroco.com/yijing/Shih-chuan_Chen.pdf

**) https://www.yijing.nl/structures/multiple-lines.htm

 

[Trojina]

I'm not a Diviner but find that cases like this open chances to understand the answers given by the I Ching (40.3.6 > 50 What's the probability of Russia invading Ukraine? They did !)

Surely you can learn about I Ching answers from your own life events? Why do you need things like this to learn about the I Ching ? This answer has no special significance for me it's for the person who asked.

And how can there be anything to learn from any political reading when 10 people ask the same question? Whose answer are you going to take as true?

Scorpio seems to be seeing it from an American view, presumably because she is American.

Line 6​

'A prince uses this to shoot a hawk, on the top of the high ramparts.
He gets it. Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

This to me means that he will successfully drag the US into a war.

I don't understand why that would be about the US in particular but she is asking from her own point of view as is everyone who asks these kinds of questions.

There were some very clear answers here from a Ukrainian person directly affected

Possible War Scenario — 44 UC

Hello, I’ve been learning from this forum for years and it’s a first time I decided to ask for help. I’m Ukrainian and recently me and my partner decided that it’s better be safe than sorry and left the country in case there’s going to be some real invasion from Russia as it is reported by...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

But there are also about 5 other threads asking about the Ukraine invasion. Out of all these answers which are you going to take as the real answer? And lets face it there's going to be about another 500 questions on it in the next few weeks, whose answer do you think will be true when a 100 people ask the same question?


I can say this question by Scorpio was the very first question here in the topic I think.


I don't interpret political questions, if I needed to ask one I'd ask it myself if it concerned me. I don't mind others asking really, they can ask what they want but I really don't think see any of this as some kind of empirical experiment on I Ching answers.

 

[ScorpioC]

Thank you for your comments (and the links.) I asked the way I did I think because my grandparents fled in 1912 (from Russia) and 1914 (from Belarus) and then married. My nephew was born in Ukraine. "back in the old country...." was a phrase often heard. Also, we (US) had just gotten out of Afghanistan and for me, that was the only time in my lifetime thus far NOT being in some kind of conflict abroad (war anywhere sickens me). Also, I am still very much a novice at the I Ching no matter how much I read. I consult the I Ching often, but rarely post on the forum. The politics here surrounding this would make any sane person numb, regardless of personal beliefs, but not my primary focus, war, families and lives were. I believe the Universe will answer me directly even if my questions are indirectly stated. One just needs to be smart enough to know what it's telling you. I'm not there yet.

 

[surnevs]

Trojina, I was actually searching for the very first inquiry concerning this conflict because I take the very first consulting at the I Ching concerning a matter for being it ie. the reading to start with. I actually couldn't find it and gave up. This morning after I've heard in the news about the invasion in Ukraine I saw this posting and halfway asking, halfway guessing wrote my view on it. And yes, among many postings concerning this matter this posting has missed my attention mainly I think due to my spare time here. When asking about common events like this and other things happening in our world contra personal matters we can all see what is happening; that we can not with personal matters: only the inquirer can see these personal affairs asked into. That's the difference. I have missed a section like "Solved and unsolved inquiries" (this one here, then found in the "solved" section). I'll look at this reading (#1) with interest myself.

 

[rosada]

Hindsight is 20 - 20 so I thought it would be interesting to see if we can make sense of these hexagrams now that we know the facts..
What's the probability of Russia invading the Ukraine?
40.3"...invites the arrival of bandits."
So there it is right there: Putin sees Ukraine as vulnerable and invades.
40.6 "The prince shoots the hawk."
So shooting back = war? Or encouragement that his attack gets quickly defeated?
50. The Caldron.
Could this be the world coming together to defeat him? Or is it just a hexagram that means the answer to your question is that anything is possible and thus a strong probability that 'Russia will invade. Or did 40.3 already inform us that it would and now this hexagram is predicting the "bandits" will be defeated?

 

[Hartloper]

Hi,

40.4. is pretty obvious now in hindsight, what 40.6. and 50 bring to mind for me personally, is Phillip K. Dick‘s novel The Man in the High Castle, which was written consulting the Yi and also features a main character who does yarrow stick casts.

It‘s a tale of alternate reality scenarios. There is a lot cooking (50). The future is not made yet, the roads are not traveled, and who knows in which world we will wake up tomorrow or next year.

but that’s only my association.

Best, J.

 

[Trojina]

40.4. is pretty obvious now in hindsight, what 40.6. and 50 bring to mind for me personally, is Phillip K. Dick‘s novel The Man in the High Castle,

40.4 was not cast

 

[surnevs]

Thunderstorms, rain and lightning are to be seen in the upper-, upper nuclear-, lower nuclear- and the lower trigram (Thunder-Rain-Lightning-Rain). *
What caught my attention is, among the attributes to the trigrams associated with the topic here:
Chén: 'works in the foot' > Infantry
K'an: 'ambush' > sudden attack.
Li: 'armament' (speaks for itself)
and again K'an with, amongst other attributes, 'dangerous' and 'thieves' < 'ambush'.

( I found it interesting to mention and had to link to the page from my Log so You can study it closer (the file takes some time to download due to its size)

(Add. I've removed my calculation ** because it took the 1' of February to be the beginning. The new moon in February it should have been.)

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*) This is from the I Ching Log on my Profile here. [10.5 Mbyte filesize]
**) See pg. 2 onward and pg. 14 HERE
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edit.: foot, not food

 

[Hartloper]

40.4 was not cast

Yes, Trojina, thanks for pointing that out I meant 40.3. I had the correct text to line 40.3. in mind. Maybe 40.4 was wishful thinking, or my own unconscious telling me to innerly disengage from conflict and let loose, not try to grasp the situation ...

 

[ScorpioC]

So I asked a bunch, but I asked, "Will Putin be stopped soon?" The response was 1.6 to 43. After searching the threads available, the answer I liked the best and thought was explained well was from an old thread.

At 1-6 it says “亢龍有悔”. Kang 亢 is often translated as ‘pride, arrogance’, but this is just one of the many meanings. If we look at some other meanings of this character we can adjust our translation a bit:
– 高 – high
– 舉- rise, go up
– 極，太過 – too (much)
– 強硬; 剛強 – strong, inflexible
– 遮蔽; 庇護- out of sight, hide
If we combine this with our dragon from 1-6 we get the picture of a dragon who without stopping goes up and up, and disappears out of sight (it is nice how sometimes all these meanings can be combined) . This is not an arrogant dragon,but a reckless dragon: a Chinese Icarus who overestimates his own powers and thereby will have hui 悔. Hui 悔 can mean
– 悔恨; 后悔 – regret, repentance
– 悔過; 改過 – correct your mistakes out of repentance
– 災咎; 災禍 – unavoidable misfortune
– 《易》卦有六爻，其上體即上三爻稱 “悔”，又稱外卦 – upper/outside trigram of a hexagram
If we stick to the image of Icarus, then I think the third meaning fits best. If you do not know your limits, or do not accept them, you will have unavoidable misfortune. Not from arrogance, but from recklessness. It are often the kind people, and not the arrogant people, who have to learn their lessons like this.
(http://www.yjcn.nl/wp/the-chinese-icarus/)

I can see where recklessness would be the downfall. To me it's been more than reckless to long already and I pray this ends soon for Ukraine. I don't want to see that country destroyed like Syria was. Every day I hope someone stops this man.

 

[Trojina]

Let's hope he is shot down in flames soon for the sake of the whole world.

He is become increasingly isolated - flying too high due for a fall.

 

[BlindedFox]

40

Every once in awhile I will ask something like this.

Line 3​

'Shouldering a burden while also riding in a carriage
Invites the arrival of bandits.
Constancy, shame.'

This to me means that Putin has used his propaganda within to the point he couldn't "back down" if he wanted to. He's stirred up a frenzy inside Russia where he's made his country men believe Russia is the one being "attacked."

Line 6​

'A prince uses this to shoot a hawk, on the top of the high ramparts.
He gets it. Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

This to me means that he will successfully drag the US into a war.

Any thoughts?

I will not go into the interpretation of the hexes, but share, imho, a very simple and kinda intuitive insight I got after reflecting a little bit more on how you stated your question and how ICHING answered. You asked about probabilities and line 3 and 6 are the highest of each trigram. While the 1-4 pair (lines) seems to initiates the vibrational tension (low probability), the 2-5 combination sustains it through (medium). At this moment in time there are maybe still good chances to affect the outcome with change, but it will take up more energy. But when the 3-6 combination arrives, its of course over. There is the settling point, the decay starts, the end, where high probability sets in and things have gone past the point of return. To die (become rigid, certainty) or change (adapt flexible, uncertainty). So in few words, 1-4 Kansas. 2-5 Flying. 3-6 Not in Kansas anymore. Now decide if you want to accept change or not. Well phrased question, ScorpioC., thank you.