40.4.6 > 4

[maremaria]

Hi all,

I wonder if you can help me with a reading.
It’s the 3d week I suffer from severe headaches. I assume its because I’m in the middle of very stressful times in many areas of my life and that perhaps is the cause of the headache. I’m really tired emotionally and physically but there are responsibilities that don’t give me the luxury to back off and rest for a while.
I have talk with someone knows me well and he told me that what he sees is that I push myself to do more that I can do right now and that I don’t allow myself to relax.

Anyway, I asked Yi, to have some information and put in an order my thoughts. The question was “ what do I need to know about the headaches” got 40.4,6 > 4. ( note about 4, I have asked once so its not about asking many questions)

I have make some thoughts re lines 4 and 6 but I can’t understand at all hex 4 here.

How would you read this lines ? I would appreciate anything you can say. Its really important for me.

Thanks,
Maria

 

[maremaria]

I have make some thoughts re lines 4 and 6 but I can’t understand at all hex 4 here.

Hex 4 makes only sense as not knowing how to release.

 

[em ching]

Hi maremaria,

I think 40.4 could be saying that you've grown used to being busy. Perhaps you're even depending on having things to do and distractions because for some reason you don't feel like you deserve a break - are you being too self-sacrificing at the moment? Hard on yourself and not allowing yourself time off?
The lines says that 'through force of daily habit' inferior things/people/ideas have attached themselves to you. Maybe that's your headaches, or other people's demands, or an inferior voice in you that says you don't have time to relax. I think you should make time for that - put things into perspective. And trust that if you let go of some of your responsibilites that a 'companion will come' to help you? So maybe it's saying let go of the stress and trust that it won't all collapse around you.

40.6
Again I think this line speaks of a pwerful inferior element in you - perhaps an aspect of your ego that feels it constantly has to be working otherwise you're not good enough? Or an aspect of you that doesn't trust that other people can shoulder some of your responisbility? This stress is making you ill - and so in the long run that won't help anyone so you need to try and shoot it down - get into a frame of mind where you don't feel unable to cope - and that might mean not doing certain things and asking for help. Perhaps you should trust that your headaches are a natural warning - saying that it's not natural to take on too much.

Hex 4
Could be saying you're going through a learning stage with this - and that you'll realise you can't do everything at once? That you have to think of your health, as well as your sense of responsibility to the world? Or it could be suggesting that you seek someone older/ wiser or even a doctor, and experiement with possible ways that you can release yourself from this cycle? It may also mean that it won't last forever.


Hope your headaches leave you alone soon and that my ideas help in some way.

:bows:

 

[meng]

Hi Maria,

Sorry to hear about these headaches.

I think the gist of your reading is to release a lot of old stuff that has accumulated in you and is sticking to you, and to regain a fresh childlike view of your life. This could be a combination of mental weight as well as physical habits (poor food, smoking, lack of exercise) that is slowing you down, clouding your mind. A clap of thunder can clear and refresh the mind and release tension, where a more passive approach only carries it around day after day.

Life needs renewal. You can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

Wish you relief soon.

 

[meng]

On the light side, I just came across this.

A partnership of some kind, perhaps business, perhaps romantic, is likely to be on your mind today. You might want to seriously consider whether it has a future and if it does, what you should do next. You might spend some time socializing, dear Scorpio, but your mind may be too preoccupied to participate much. A lot of serious decisions need to be made, and the outcome is likely to be positive. Try to relax and have some fun.

 

[jesed]

Hi Maremaria

Just in case the comment could be useful

Both hexagrams has water in the lower trigram; bot hexagrams are in the past, with the root of the situation in trigram water (between June 16 and July 31,2009) If you recall what you experienced in that time, can you see anything important that need to be released? Are you stock in somthing started in those dates?

I won't comment on the meaning of the lines, because you have a great insight. I just want to place the lines in a time frame, and maybe you can recall past issues that need to be set in the past in peace.

Line 4 ruled from August 21 to September 15, 2009
Line 6 ruled from October 7 to October 31, 2009

Best wishes

 

[maremaria]

Em, Meng, Jesed, thank you for your help.

Em, I think that many of what you have said are very close to the truth. “Untie the knots” is a theme plays a lot lately and 40 has to do with knots and how to untie them. I wasn’t surprised getting that hex. Actually before getting it as an answer I went and read it a bit.

Meng, you make me smile with MSN horoscope. Some days they are good !!!
But seriously, I hear what you say and I think you are right about old stuff. Those old stuffs is like a huge onion with many layers and I had to be reminded by someone that I have pill that onion a bit, and a new layer is just a new layer. The root of the headaches is like a Gordian knot and I’m not sure if I have to untie it or cut it. Have been thinking about the difference between 40 and 59. (59 was a previous reading ). Still not clear in my mind, that difference.

Meng, hex 4 makes you say “ to regain a fresh childlike view of your life” ? It has strucked me that commend because I have lately some childlike reactions and thoughts which are very embarrassing to accept them and I can see also in 4 my difficulty to ask and accept help. Have to think more about it… Perhaps the reading is about that youthful folly kid… hmm…


Jesed,
“I won't comment on the meaning of the lines, because you have a great insight.” This is not always true

But yes, don’t know how you do it,*impressed* but in that period , between June 16 and July 31,2009 something happened that has to do a lot with the current situation. Then I had to make a choice and that choice stirred up past issues and a Big choice I have to make.

Line 4 ruled from August 21 to September 15, 2009
Line 4 is about choices, and I can recall that during that period I had to make a choice. It’s a 18.6 thing.

Thank you all

 

[jesed]

Hi Maremaria

When both hexagrams are in the past, it is like someone walking in circles...he/she cann't see reality anymore because he/she is stock in the past. The first step is to re-gain contact with the present moment. The past is in the past. But you can decide how to manage it's consecuences NOW.

I wish you al the best my friend. Don't be afraid, you have the wisdom to manage whatever circumstance in your present life. I know you.

 

[jesed]

ah... and don't forget Confucius' comment on line 40.6. You didn't achieve the lesson of that line in past October...but in that line is hidden the way to move forward.

 

[tigerintheboat]

Not Knowing How to Release

Hi all,

I wonder if you can help me with a reading.
It’s the 3d week I suffer from severe headaches. I assume its because I’m in the middle of very stressful times in many areas of my life....

The question was “ what do I need to know about the headaches” got 40.4,6 > 4. ( note about 4, I have asked once so its not about asking many questions)

Maybe if we take the long way, what Bradford called transitional hexagrams, it will make more sense (forgive me if I get this wrong, I am still learning how to do it):

You start with Release (H40), Line 4 (from the Wikiwing)

'Releasing the thumbs also.
Partners arrive, hence truth and confidence.'

Grasp less, hang on less (to your ideas of how this should work out), allow more, and hence enjoy a more spontaneous, true friendship.

From there you transition to Hexagram 7. Again from the Wikiwing:

Release’s army – slackening the standards for recruitment, relaxing about it, allows the noble one to gather crowds. Being more accepting means becoming richer – in friendship, and in experience. This is release’s way of becoming more efficient, getting to the goal faster – actually being less disciplined/ controlled.

One in H7, we look at Line 6, perhaps my favorite line in all the book:

'The great leader has a mandate
To found a state and receive the households.
Don't use small people.'

The battle is won; time to found the new state. The requirements now have changed... Now instead of organising everything towards one objective, you must juggle several considerations (or people or interests), make space for them all, create harmony. Small people are no use because you need innovative, imaginative thinking.

How do you get to Ignorance from there? Again, from the Wikiwing

7 zhi Hexagram 4, the Army Not Knowing. The military leader knows how to lead armies, not how to found states. And he has also reached the point where he does not know the future, which hitherto he did, being busy creating it. A new profusion of tasks and challenges. On the one hand you get here because you have been systematic and taken responsibility for making things happen. On the other hand, now you can only lay out the ground plan.

To summarize. You must begin to release your hold, which is apparently too tight. Your tight hold was appropriate for some earlier things, but it not appropriate now. You have already won some battles, but you are still trying to use the same tactics in peacetime. You must have a lighter hold, and use different tactics, since the old battle is over. You are "not knowing" because you are still in the old mindset and tactics.

Hope that helps.

Tiger

 

[maremaria]

ah... and don't forget Confucius' comment on line 40.6. You didn't achieve the lesson of that line in past October...but in that line is hidden the way to move forward.

The hawk is the object of the hunt; bow and arrow are the tools and means. The marksman is man (who must make proper use of the means to his end). The superior man contains the means in his own person. He bides his time and then acts. Why then should not everything go well? He acts and is free. Therefore all he has to do is to go forth, and he takes his quarry. This is how a man fares who acts after he has made ready the means.

I missed to see the hawk , I guess. trying to remember what happened then
Lol, now i have a headache

... and thank you for the nice and encouraging words

Maria

 

[maremaria]

Maybe if we take the long way, what Bradford called transitional hexagrams, it will make more sense (forgive me if I get this wrong, I am still learning how to do it):

Hi Tiger,

I was about to check transitional method . Thanks
Need some time to check the lines myself, But i hear what to say about change tactics.

will be back on that, and yes it helps

 

[meng]

The root of the headaches is like a Gordian knot and I’m not sure if I have to untie it or cut it. Have been thinking about the difference between 40 and 59. (59 was a previous reading ). Still not clear in my mind, that difference.

Interesting point. I personally have found the Gordian knot to be a complex network of ones own life: all the trials, failures, disappointments, mostly with oneself, and responsibilities. Whether it's better to break from that or to try to gently unweave all that been woven (isn't that what keeps the therapists alive?), is hard to say. I would interpret 40 as more the former. For me, it would depend how badly the knots are dug into the whole spool of line. There is a way to untangle a backlash, but if at some point(s) the line was pulled hard out of frustrations, then that digs the knots deeper into the spool. Such an impossible entanglement requires breaking or cutting free, recovering what is realistically usable to go on, and going on.

 

[rodaki]

hi Maria . .

Have been thinking about the difference between 40 and 59. (59 was a previous reading ). Still not clear in my mind, that difference.

maybe something like
40: a shower of rain
59: ice melting in the poles
I also remember someone here saying how in 40 we let it happen while in 59 we make it happen . . 59 somehow feels more slow, gradual . . maybe 40 can also be part of 59, like big chunks of ice collapsing after dissolution has gradually made its way . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6Wvp6J4Aw&feature=related

hope you'll get rid of that hawking grip and feel better soon . .

take care!!

 

[tigerintheboat]

Holding on Tight

Hi Tiger,

I was about to check transitional method . Thanks
Need some time to check the lines myself, But i hear what to say about change tactics.

If the headaches persist, I have some relevant experience with helping headache victims using nutrition, herbs, etc. This is also a change in tactics...you may be holding too tight to an old diet and eating habits not suited to your current age and conditions.

One unsolicited idea: try to become more alkaline, by eating more raw vegetables. Sometimes acidity is a necessary element to allow or trigger the headache.

I will not clog up the thread further, but you can message me if you want to discuss

Best,
Tiger

 

[maremaria]

Interesting point. I personally have found the Gordian knot to be a complex network of ones own life: all the trials, failures, disappointments, mostly with oneself, and responsibilities. Whether it's better to break from that or to try to gently unweave all that been woven (isn't that what keeps the therapists alive?), is hard to say. I would interpret 40 as more the former. For me, it would depend how badly the knots are dug into the whole spool of line. There is a way to untangle a backlash, but if at some point(s) the line was pulled hard out of frustrations, then that digs the knots deeper into the spool. Such an impossible entanglement requires breaking or cutting free, recovering what is realistically usable to go on, and going on.

i like what you say. First thing comes in mind is ,classify knots. Need more time to study the difference between 40 and 50. At the moment I see links between that reading and some other i had lately. there is something that becomes more visible.
thanks again.

 

[maremaria]

hi Maria . .



maybe something like
40: a shower of rain
59: ice melting in the poles
I also remember someone here saying how in 40 we let it happen while in 59 we make it happen . . 59 somehow feels more slow, gradual . . maybe 40 can also be part of 59, like big chunks of ice collapsing after dissolution has gradually made its way . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6Wvp6J4Aw&feature=related

hope you'll get rid of that hawking grip and feel better soon . .

take care!!

thanks. will keep in mind what you said in my 40 vs 59 exploration. Sometimes or most of the times when I have a reading and go back to the texts i can see and understand better the meaning of the text.

 

[maremaria]

If the headaches persist, I have some relevant experience with helping headache victims using nutrition, herbs, etc. This is also a change in tactics...you may be holding too tight to an old diet and eating habits not suited to your current age and conditions.

One unsolicited idea: try to become more alkaline, by eating more raw vegetables. Sometimes acidity is a necessary element to allow or trigger the headache.

I will not clog up the thread further, but you can message me if you want to discuss

Best,
Tiger

Thanks Tiger,
Actually my eating habits have to change. I have already make some improvements. Will message you.