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Hello fellow I-Chingers,

I am in a competitive situation with somebody for something. Striking how clearly line 41.3 says that there is unfortunately not enough space for all of us. But as you know, alone with that it is impossible to say who exactly will have to quit the field. I hope that the other line, line 41.2, may give a hint, but I am puzzled, therefore I cannot even give an own interpretation.
I am very happy about your opinions. Thanks in advance!

equinox

P.S: Yin pattern is hex 25, yang pattern is hex 46.
 
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Okay, with usage of the 'Patterns of change' tool, I thought that maybe I should do nothing, not giving anything into that situation anymore and just disentangle, being prepared that unexpected things can and may happen (hex 25)
41.2 is also saying not to give too much.

According to this, the Yang Pattern hex 46 may indicate a positive progess for me.
Still that doesn't exclude the possibility that I am the one being left out in 41.3. and 'pushing upwards' means to leave that situation.
And maybe I am generally off-track with my interpretation. Let's see.
 

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Hello diamanda.

I am in a triangle situation. It is about dating. What I wrote in my first posting, that I am in "competitive situation with somebody for something" may sound a bit cold, but it's not meant like that. I initially just didn't want to go too much into detail.
Line 3 of hexagram says, that it can't be a triangle -- that is my attitude as well -- and one has to leave. And now I wonder if I will be the one leaving.
 
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I was only asking because the exact phrasing of the question matters so much on how to read the answer. It will be very difficult to figure it out otherwise.
 

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Yes, that's true. Thanks.
The excact phrasing was "will X want to date me?"
There is another person who likes X as well and maybe X likes that person as well, I am not sure.
I am not the kind of person that likes competition and struggle, I prefer someone who says wholeheartedly 'yes' to me, so I want to decide now if it's worth to put some energy into that.
 
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Thanks, I'll give it a shot :)

will X want to date me? 41.2.3 > 22

41.2 - X will not actively come after you full-on. However, X will flirt with you in a sort of a diplomatic way, i.e. without actually giving anything tangible to you.
41.3 - this, in combination with hidden line 27.3, tells me that X likes this sort of triangles and is not after a proper relationship (with you or anyone else).
22 - X thinks you're very beautiful. X will maintain perfect good (and superficial) manners towards you.

So all in all, there might be some dates between you but perhaps not many. If you're after a relationship then this doesn't look so great I'm afraid, but if you're after some fun only then it's promising.
 

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Thank you a lot, diamanda. That doesn't sound like the situation I am after. But it could easily be the case. I will keep you updated! Funny, first I thought I don't have any clue on this reading and the more I thought about it, I was interpreting it to my favor. I hoped if I completely disentangled and stayed positive at the same time, then X would possibly walk to me. Wishful thinking maybe.
 

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I don't find it an easy one to interpret but I'm wondering if you have possibly miscalculated the amount of effort/sacrifice this deserves or needs ?

In 41 it's a time of loss, a question of what to give up for the sake of something. One is advised just 2 bowls are sufficient offering. I feel this is strongly echoed in line 2. My experience of this line is one feels called to make an offering that is too much for one's strength/resources/emotions.


So first thing is to chill out I think. It's interesting how line 2 often makes one feel one must really gather one's strength to deal with something and that you initially spoke of this being a competition. I think Yi is saying it isn't or at least if it is you really don't need to break sweat over it. So the main thrust of the answer that I can see is Yi advising you not to regard it as a competition in which you need to hone your energies and strength in order to win, it's not like that at all.

I'm wondering if the 22 as relating shows the pictures/images you have of this give you a slightly removed picture of the reality.

Can't say I have a clear sense of the answer just that I think it can all be much easier than you think.

Re 41.3, think I wrote about this in wiki...hang on will check....Oh I just linked to this thread https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?23453-41-3-How-much-is-three and said I felt 'out of the loop' really fitted my sense of the line.

..but here it does seem very literal doesn't it, one person needs to get unstuck from the other two to regain balance and move forward.

Of course you did ask about what X will do, will X want to date you so it could be the answer is actually about him I guess but I find it hard to interpret from his eyes since it's your question. If it is about what he wants it seems he's not investing very much either way, it looks kind of indolent. Is he languid and half hearted throwing hints of this and that around without offering much tangible as Diamanda said ?
 
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Well your question was if X will want to date you, as things stand right now.
So the answer is from their current perspective.

If you're really interested in X, or if you'd like to know how X will react if you disentangle, then you'd need to ask more questions e.g. about your best way forward if you want to be with X, result if you disentangle, and so on. Given that you're not after an iffy situation or struggles, maybe you could ask 'is there any action or stance on my part that leads to a relationship with X?'.
 
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In 41 it's a time of loss, a question of what to give up for the sake of something. One is advised just 2 bowls are sufficient offering. I feel this is strongly echoed in line 2. My experience of this line is one feels called to make an offering that is too much for one's strength/resources/emotions.
This is amazingly phrased, thanks Trojina, never saw it quite like this.
 

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Oh ? I thought it was a fairly standard view of 41. I think we all come from very different directions. Together we can crack this I Ching thing.....in a few thousand years maybe ...;)
 

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Well your question was if X will want to date you, as things stand right now.
So the answer is from their current perspective.

If you're really interested in X, or if you'd like to know how X will react if you disentangle, then you'd need to ask more questions e.g. about your best way forward if you want to be with X, result if you disentangle, and so on. Given that you're not after an iffy situation or struggles, maybe you could ask 'is there any action or stance on my part that leads to a relationship with X?'.

Thank you. The funny thing is, mostly when we disentangle and are sucessful in it -- then we don't think about that person anymore anyhow and it is just a matter of luck or chance if we ever get in touch with them again.
 
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I don't find it an easy one to interpret but I'm wondering if you have possibly miscalculated the amount of effort/sacrifice this deserves or needs ?

So first thing is to chill out I think. It's interesting how line 2 often makes one feel one must really gather one's strength to deal with something and that you initially spoke of this being a competition. I think Yi is saying it isn't or at least if it is you really don't need to break sweat over it. So the main thrust of the answer that I can see is Yi advising you not to regard it as a competition in which you need to hone your energies and strength in order to win, it's not like that at all.

I'm wondering if the 22 as relating shows the pictures/images you have of this give you a slightly removed picture of the reality.

Can't say I have a clear sense of the answer just that I think it can all be much easier than you think.

... sounds really calming and also I think you are right. Since I don't like competitions and fighting hard -- at least when it is about love -- I don't see involving here too much in alignment with my inner truth, so either it will work out or not, I will see.

Of course you did ask about what X will do, will X want to date you so it could be the answer is actually about him I guess but I find it hard to interpret from his eyes since it's your question. If it is about what he wants it seems he's not investing very much either way, it looks kind of indolent. Is he languid and half hearted throwing hints of this and that around without offering much tangible as Diamanda said ?

I don't know, it's not that he seems semi-interested, he even seems to be enthusiastic about me, but Diamanda is somehow right, still there is some kind of noticeable distance. Maybe he feels already commited/ drawn towards that other person. Or to any completely other person. If this is the case, which I surely can find out, I will leave it.

Thank you so much for your answer. :)
 

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