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Someone did my a big favor financially and I am going to pay them in full next week, however this also means I don't have an excuse to see them anymore.
What will they do (in relationship to me) after I pay them in full? 42 unchanging

The superior man imitates goodness when he sees it and eliminates faults when he see them.

How do they feel about me? 24.4-51

I think this could be saying he has inferior associates that he would like to break with and I offer the chance of that for him. But it also talks about returning alone, sniff sniff.
 

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42 covers augmentation and so going up a level.

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 42 pairs with hexagram 41.

This pair reflects an overall sense of 'refinement', be it through the augmentation of 42 or the distillation, concentration, reflected in 41.

REFINE:

41 : refine - through distill [concentrate]; 41 concentrating comes from a context described by hexagram 07 - uniforming, the army

42 : refine - through augment [add]; 42 augmenting comes from a context described by hexagram 08 - unifying
 

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Chris,
Does that mean the relationship will go up a level leading to some unification?

Can't open pdf's on my computer but I can't wait to look at your book. So glad to see you progress with it.
Thanks for the reply.
 

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Chris,
Does that mean the relationship will go up a level leading to some unification?

Depends on the methodology used in deriving 42. If it was traditional then it COULD be the best fit but then it could be the worst fit ;-) - to me there is no consistency in such methods (and consciousness can 'fill in the missing bits' of the result is CLOSE to a 'best fit' - and even the worst fit will generate meaning.

The EIC focus is on the use of your emotional assessments where your parallel, intuitive, skills are used (consciousness can rationalise too much at times so we have to be wary of it and yet also exploit it as it can be more precise than emotional assessments!)

It is obvious you would consciously like to take things further but your unconscious assessment can also contribute to covering how a situation will develop in that it can bring out your overall non-verbal language communications etc
 

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Yes, I would like to take things further.
I don't think they are in position to yet though.
But 42 was in answer (cast with coins) to what they would do.
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Increase and Return

Someone did my a big favor financially and I am going to pay them in full next week, however this also means I don't have an excuse to see them anymore.
What will they do (in relationship to me) after I pay them in full? 42 unchanging
They have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor. They sacrificed something to help you.

How do they feel about me? 24.4-51
This is a line about choosing a spiritual connection, and turning away from the crowd. Even your first question, and the answer about Increase, has a spiritual element.

Normally, I would think that the spiritual element refers to the questioner, but you asked about the other party in both cases. Is there anything selfless or spiritual about this "someone?" Are they a person who goes with crowd, or stands alone? Someone is standing alone in Line 4; they go out into the crowd and reject it and Return.

Tiger
 

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Yes, there is something spiritual about him.
He works all the time and is around other people and customers and after work he says he stays by himself.
Thanks for your help, Tiger.
 
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"They have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor"

Tiger, what does this mean? The part about them sacrificing something to help me makes sense as they didn't get their money when they finished the service and they don't have any guarantee they will get it, just trust. But how did they have an increase by helping me? This is what I don't get?
 

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Increase

"They have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor"

Tiger, what does this mean? The part about them sacrificing something to help me makes sense as they didn't get their money when they finished the service and they don't have any guarantee they will get it, just trust. But how did they have an increase by helping me? This is what I don't get?
Another translation of the word Increase is Blessing. You might say they are Blessed, or spiritually increased. They are sharing the harvest with someone else, and they are blessed accordingly.

Tiger
 

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Depends on the methodology used in deriving 42. If it was traditional then it COULD be the best fit but then it could be the worst fit ;-) - to me there is no consistency in such methods (and consciousness can 'fill in the missing bits' of the result is CLOSE to a 'best fit' - and even the worst fit will generate meaning.

The EIC focus is on the use of your emotional assessments where your parallel, intuitive, skills are used (consciousness can rationalise too much at times so we have to be wary of it and yet also exploit it as it can be more precise than emotional assessments!)

It is obvious you would consciously like to take things further but your unconscious assessment can also contribute to covering how a situation will develop in that it can bring out your overall non-verbal language communications etc

Maybe off topic.. But Elvis, IMHO you are denying a very important aspect of the Yi, it works on a connection with.. called it God, guardian angel, the divine.. but certainly connecting to something that even modern science is beginning to confirm through Quantum physics ;-)

Just my opinion...

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Maybe off topic.. But Elvis, IMHO you are denying a very important aspect of the Yi, it works on a connection with.. called it God, guardian angel, the divine.. but certainly connecting to something that even modern science is beginning to confirm through Quantum physics ;-)

Just my opinion...

Best

There is no need for such a perspective to get the I Ching to work consistently and be testable and so falsifiable. If you NEED such a perspective that is fine, but it is not necessary to get the I Ching to work well. IMHO.... and your reference to QM is misleading and indicative of not understanding the methodology we use in interpreting reality and the properties of that methodology we can confuse with what is observed. See if you can work your way through the IDM summary
 

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Elvis,these LINKS do not seem to work. I have tried each of them.
 

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If you look at Elvis's profile you can see the last time he was here was 2010, 5 years ago...I reckon he's long gone...although you never know I suppose.


This is amusing

There is no need for such a perspective to get the I Ching to work consistently and be testable and so falsifiable. If you NEED such a perspective that is fine, but it is not necessary to get the I Ching to work well. IMHO.... and your reference to QM is misleading and indicative of not understanding the methodology we use in interpreting reality and the properties of that methodology we can confuse with what is observed. See if you can work your way through the


like he thought he could 'get the I Ching to work' like it was his carthorse or his motorbike or something. :rolleyes:
 

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Wasn't that one of the late Chris Lofting's profiles?
 

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Yes, it might have been....in which case there ain't no point messaging him about links as he's dead.

IDM rings a bell...was that one of his terms ? I think so

Ah just read some posts further up....yes it's him.
 

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How do you know he's dead? Did someone from his family inform you or you have face to face annual meetings? :) in that case I want to participate!
 

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Because it was publicly announced here years ago after his daughter I think informed one of our members here !

This forum has been going a long time...many years before you ever showed up ! Let me see if I can find the link to prove it ! I argued on and off with the guy for years as did many others so I should know !

Why are you even asking that ? Do you think I would just make it up !
 

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Here you are ....this is the message ! He was called Chris Lofting and went under a number of user names here.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?10706-Chris-Lofting


I hope you're satisfied ! Some people have been here a long time and remember him so why would you imagine I'd say he was dead if I didn't know he was dead ! Yes a member of his family informed the forum !

Other names he used were 'lightofreason'....and others I can't recall now.





There are other regular members who have died here over the years and they have had obituary threads.
 

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trojina, darling, I didn't need any answer, thank you very much.
It was not a real question. And no, I was not thinking that you had made it up. What would I care?

It was just a nice way to say "hey, you people in this forum know each other pretty well.. do you meet face to face every year? in that case I would like to meet with you too"

I see my message hasn't come across. Fine.
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Because it was publicly announced here years ago after his daughter I think informed one of our members here!
could have been a peaceful answer to what you believed was a real question (but how can you believe I really want to know about a person I never met in my life?)

As for the rest you write
This forum has been going a long time...many years before you ever showed up ! Let me see if I can find the link to prove it ! I argued on and off with the guy for years as did many others so I should know !

Why are you even asking that ? Do you think I would just make it up !
Here you are ....this is the message !
I hope you're satisfied ! Some people have been here a long time and remember him so why would you imagine I'd say he was dead if I didn't know he was dead !

I have nothing to say except that it's pretty clear you see things that don't exist, want to put malignant thoughts on my questions and, once again, it's pretty clear I irritate people. I still wonder why.

Yes a member of his family informed the forum!
And you find that normal?
If I die no one will ever inform you lot that I'm gone. There is I think ONE person that knows I write in here and when I die I am sure his last thought would be to come in here and say I'm dead. So that's what amazed me, the fact the people from all over the world in a virtual community know when someone is dead.
I really don't understand where all your anger comes from.

cheers.
 

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It was just a nice way to say "hey, you people in this forum know each other pretty well.. do you meet face to face every year? in that case I would like to meet with you too"

Well I think people who live close meet up now and then. I have met people from the forum. Also people can speak in private forums in CC ...or simply message each other and meet up anytime...

I see my message hasn't come across. Fine.
, it's pretty clear I irritate people. I still wonder why
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To be frank it sounded as if you didn't believe me and wanted proof. It also felt a little disrespectful but I guess you didn't mean it that way.


And you find that normal?

If people post a lot, particularly with very distinctive ideas such as Chris had, they can make an impact. He was a big feature here for some years. There were many arguments, many long discussions. The ones I recall most were the ones he had with Martin who is also dead.


If I die no one will ever inform you lot that I'm gone. There is I think ONE person that knows I write in here and when I die I am sure his last thought would be to come in here and say I'm dead. So that's what amazed me, the fact the people from all over the world in a virtual community know when someone is dead.


But with respect, your contributions and presence are in no way comparable to those of Chris Lofting, Martin, any of the others whose deaths were reported here. You only come to get answers to your problems, ....so no I wouldn't expect anyone to come and tell us if you die because you aren't that involved. If you read the messages left on the post I linked to you can tell he made his presence felt, however one felt about his ideas.
 

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But with respect, your contributions and presence are in no way comparable to those of Chris Lofting, Martin, any of the others whose deaths were reported here. You only come to get answers to your problems, ....so no I wouldn't expect anyone to come and tell us if you die because you aren't that involved. If you read the messages left on the post I linked to you can tell he made his presence felt, however one felt about his ideas.
Far from me to want to be compared to those people! I am not an i ching expert so I can't contribute in any way at the moment if not by telling my experience in relation to the hexagrams I get.
 

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Your experience is always valuable. Sorry I misunderstood you.
 

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