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Thanks for a great forum.

Tonight, I asked Yi about prospects for my romantic life.

This is following a 44 like experience last year that brought me into dating 1950s style.

What bothered me most about my relationship last year was how purely in love I was but how, because I wasn't paying attention, the love was sort of disposed of brutally.

44 is exactly what I want to avoid and really, the next person I date, I'd like to share our life times together.

Thanks in advance!
 
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You are supposed to offer your own interpretation first. What does this reading say to you?
 

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Sorry, used my flatmate's computer that was still logged in. Try this again!!

So, a little more background. As I say, I date 1950s style, a lot and meet many really lovely, smart men who actually give me a lot in sharing communication. I've not really been inclined to jump into bed with anyone.

This said, I've been working on a creative project the last year that I decided should be finished before I engage too seriously with anyone - like it's unfair to the other person I might be involved with (as I think it was to the man last year) to be second best to my work.

I still retain feelings for the man from last year and if we would come together, would be with him. Then I wasn't honest with my expectations and so, they came out afterwards. I've worked to self develop and to focus a lot, having learned so much from the experience so I think, whatever the case is, I actually, actively avoid the 44 concept. So, somewhat baffling to receive it but then, I find I often get readings that will sustain a focus that is necessary - sort of reminder that just because I started something, doesn't mean it doesn't still need my focused attention to get where it needs to be.

Hex 44 talks about temptation and meeting half way. For me, maybe it's the temptation to seize a desired outcome for the situation with too much intensity and accidentally invade. This is something I've worked to avoid doing through refocusing my energies inside my self - stabilizing.

Line 1 Attached to a metal chock. Determination auspicious. To proceed probing sees a pitfall. An entangled pig will surely limp.
Past and future meet NOW, stay where you are and look around, feel the wind, evaluate expectations and ideas. Everything which clings to you will be part of the (your) future. If it hinders you, the future will be greatly hindered. If it accords with essences and your inner essence, the future will be essential and rich. Do not underestimate harmless little vices: they can very well ruin the rest of your life.

It suggests to evaluate what I allow in very carefully. I find it very hard to be intimate with people without forming loyalties (unearned) so this is why I stick to conversations. Indeed, in a literal context, I do think that who we are intimate with clings to us for a long time. It's a hazard to just willy-nilly think otherwise. I think so. Or, maybe even asking the question now isn't ideal, hinting at the potential for flights of foolish fantasy that distract me from completing the work that I allege should be done before I give time to a relationship. But where the work takes ages so becomes one of those "Are we almost there yet?" scenarios where I'm never 'really ready'. I have a history of this. Or, maybe it talks about my clinging to the potential for the resurgence of the old relationship and that sort of being a defense strategy? There is something that could be directed well with line 5.

Line 4: Not containing fish. It is the beginning of pitfalls.
When one is too unapproachable one makes the arrival of creativity in life impossible. It is not for nothing that the artist seeks the seamy side of life. Too much distance causes sterility. Give everything in life a chance to be met, just examine it's value. Often a mixture of mutually incompatible things brings about creativity.

Actually Legge says "Legge: The fourth line, dynamic, shows its subject with his wallet, but no fish in it. This will give rise to evil."

And I have to laugh but part of the reason I'm holding back is also because I have a wallet with no fish* in it. And actually, I'm on the threshold of that changing but only because I'm muscling through a task. I'm aware that I've kept my wallet empty so to avoid dating, in the past. I've not liked to depend on anyone or ask anything of anyone and it's been really detrimental. I hold back though I'm not unapproachable socially. Though, I go on many great, regularly repeating dates that become dinners between friends where I learn a lot more about men than I ever knew before, in a very positive sense, I'm not intimate with anyone. Last year, I accidentally found myself plunged full in with this man (the one I still have some feelings for) and though it would maybe seem like he backed away, I know I was very active in causing blocks. So maybe this speaks of my avoidance tendency?

Line 5

9 at 5: Melon enwrapped in willow. A hidden creation descended from heaven.
Carry and treat the future heir with respect - Heaven made it. Every creative action or thought should be handled this way. They may look easy but creativity grows only when everything is right: the seed, the soil, the season. It needs the completeness of nature. It can not be summoned when it is absent.

I've visited James De Korne's site that has all the various prominent translations. The 5th line seems to speak of quietly allowing myself to grow and develop. Or that there is already something that grows, that's alive but that needs time to develop. Perhaps, it is doing as I'm doing. So, finishing the work, dating and learning and developing rich communications of a non-sexual nature with all of these very interesting males, many going through their own break ups or strange struggles. And because it's related to line 1, it seems to say that the qualities of line 1 are something quite good to be worked with, if worked with in the right way. It also then suggests asking questions such as these, even though I do it quietly on my own, is reasonably fine but shouldn't be indulged.

Line 6 Above 9: The heir's horn. Distress. Without fault.
You are the one who has to look after your own good, so be assertive, so don't accept things too easily. Investigate thoroughly, use your common sense, don't believe too easily, tuck away your vulnerability and make it clear that nobody can walk over you.

I'm not sure how to interpret the last line (maybe a sign that it has more value to be interpreted?) having looked at all the various interpretations. It just seems to say that thinking or focusing on it too much is pointless. To develop myself, be strong in what I know is best and healthy for me. And don't let anyone do anything that doesn't sit right.

And changing to 11...

Go with the flow? :)

Edit: Also, I notice when there are this many changing lines, it really suggests that there is a lot of possibility, even if it under 44. But then I just see 44 as reminder to keep doing as I do - sort of like the anti-example :)


Ah, out of curiosity I asked "How could I work to return X to me romantically?"

I, pretty suitably, received 24.5.6 > 42

The way I read 5 is very positive. I've taken the approach of recognizing my own misdeeds and communicating my apology, in various forms. But he communicates that he just wants to be alone and really nothing at all of his side.

6 is much sterner. Is this his return? Me return to my path with him, without him? Do I obstinately not give up that which I should give up? Is it already dead? Or if not dead, a long, long time to wait?
Line 6 is one of those lines that makes you want to look quite deep to see what's still hiding. My friends and family believe I should leave this behind and I suppose you could consider my continuing a form of willful obstinance.

My effect on X? 23 Unchanging

His effect on me was also 23 Unchanging

And then finally, what's the correct path to take with X? 4 Youthful Folly Unchanging. I've read some of the forum posts about 4 unchanging but they are all very different. I like Arabella's story in Exploring Divination, and the interpretations. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...nce-With-Unchanging-Castings-Hexagram-4/page3 I'm not sure what applies here. Maybe listen to friends and family? It all really just seems to speak of these fairly immature tendencies I might have. 4 just seems to say that I still don't get it. :lalala: and should :bows: to experience and the wisdom of others while through listening and learning, :stir: to get things working better inside of me.

Many thanks and sorry for the confusion of double posting!
 
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Hi again. It's good that you have taken the trouble to share your own thought process about the reading(s) because now you can much more clearly see how they diverge or maybe even coincide with how others see your reading.

For example, I would see your first reading 44>11 as a story that tells about someone who is dragged down the river bumping from rock to rock,occasionally hitting a floating bit of wood. Within the context of this story, it's important to note that there is no alternative to being dragged down the river - going downriver with the river is all there is; it's only a question of how you travel and where you choose to bump.

Your own interpretation on the other hand, suggests that you believe that all these different aspects must be in place (such as getting out of the river, getting maybe onto the spaceship with nice views and all mod cons) for the abstraction of flowing down the river to be considered successful or even enjoyable.

The point is - all our relationship, failed ones, missed out ones, ones that last for a short or long while - all of them are part of our flow down the river of life. Each one can have some sort of effect on the next (treat the future heir with respect, heaven made it), so they all matter, even if they don't meet our expectations - they are actually meeting our needs at the time.

So your other readings I think may be indicating that you need to consider what you actual real needs are, instead of what you think they should be, and perhaps accept that this guy was a bump that you've long passed.
 

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Hi precision grace,

Thanks for your reply and I like the interpretation. In light of your good advice, I've revised the lines. They're much simpler for me to understand now.

44. The danger of the temptation to be in control. Ie: the spaceship. :rolleyes:

Line 1: Get free.

Line 4: Be in the world.

Line 5: Value what's already (valuable inside and destined to be)

Line 6: Look after myself, know what I am and my boundaries.

23: I was stripped. 24.5: I return to my path, learn in understanding and apologizing for my misdeeds but flow with and continue gaining from the lesson. line 6: Either the moment has passed or it is important to keep a steady, open heart and discerning mind so that the moment the opportunity of 42 exists, it is allowed to be what it is meant to be and is taken. I see this as, whatever the potential is, take it and don't be an obstinate fool, in attacking. Whatever happens, it sits in 42 so, only in accepting my own faults am I gifted return. I believe this accords also, as a way of being, in general, that is overall very good and includes discernment.

42: Increase, the coming together of Heaven and Earth. Focus on making good things. Seize the time. And "When he discovers good in others, he should imitate it and thus make everything on earth his own. If he perceives something bad in himself, let him rid himself of it"

4. Follow the guidance of open heart and discerning mind, make good things that benefit and can be remunerated, seize the time, cultivate ethics and virtue. 11: Go with the flow and be strong in principle. "That's all that need be known to go forth" sayeth the Yi.

:) :bows:
 
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Hi,

In the spirit of updating, I followed the advice given here and it's given great peace of mind and many opportunities, some I come onto the forum - if they are romantic in nature - and enquire about.

In respect to the person I asked about here, indeed he was a compulsion for a long time - in large part because my obsession with the idea of him was very much based on not looking at certain attributes within myself

I'd not really experienced my own actions or the effect of me on other people - even though I'm sure I had plenty of opportunity - because I was generally afraid of people and my defences were 'wall-o-noise' based - ie: I really can't say I was listening much to anyone for about a decade.

I'm very grateful to finally be learning to listen and it's this compulsion, in part, following it, understanding that I was wrong in many ways but not knowing how, just opening to hear and in so doing, hearing myself, hearing what other people were really saying and doing, this has transformed so much about my life and so relieved my inner pressures and anxieties, increased what I can feel. I think just hearing what people are really saying is the key to everything - and when I'm not sure, I ask again :)

Blessings and thank you precision grace for your thoughts!
 

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