44.3 > 6 What do you think it means?

[Water_Lily]

It's been a couple months since we broke up and we are not on speaking terms. We both made some mistakes. He decided to end it and was quite cold at the end. I still miss him. I asked I Ching if he is considering getting back with me and I got 44.3>6. One of the lines of the Oracle of resulting 6th hexagram said: ''There is truth and confidence, blocked.''. I asked for more clarity about this supposed blockage and got: 51.3.6>30. Thank you for any help provided!

 

[Water_Lily]

Can anyone help with this, please? I asked some weeks ago another question and I received no replies, hoping to get some insight on this one.

 

[Trojina]

It's been a couple months since we broke up and we are not on speaking terms. We both made some mistakes. He decided to end it and was quite cold at the end. I still miss him. I asked I Ching if he is considering getting back with me and I got 44.3>6. One of the lines of the Oracle of resulting 6th hexagram said: ''There is truth and confidence, blocked.''. I asked for more clarity about this supposed blockage and got: 51.3.6>30. Thank you for any help provided!

Hi if you click the link in my signature you can see how to post a reading in order to increase chances of getting replies.


I think a reason no one may have responded yet is that this sentence makes no sense and when things don't make sense it means one has to ask for clarification. This is what makes no sense at all

One of the lines of the Oracle of resulting 6th hexagram said: ''There is truth and confidence, blocked.''. I asked for more clarity about this supposed blockage and got: 51.3.6>30. Thank you for any help provided!

You don't read the lines of the relating hexagram at all - why would you ? You got 44.3 so that is the line you read. You got the notion of 'blockage' from somewhere and then asked another question on the basis of a false idea about blockage that you got from aline in hexagram 6 you didn't need to read ?


The line you actually got says


'Buttocks without flesh,
Moving awkwardly now.
Danger.
No great mistake.'

(from Hilary's translation in wikiwing)


So your question was

It's been a couple months since we broke up and we are not on speaking terms. We both made some mistakes. He decided to end it and was quite cold at the end. I still miss him. I asked I Ching if he is considering getting back with me and I got 44.3>6.

Line 3 shows a very difficult quest that can disrupt ordinary life. Something you feel compelled to deal with as your problem which can mean neglect of other areas of life. The line says this is really hard and it causes suffering, the buttocks are wasting away it's such hard work yet it is not a mistake ?


How does this answer your question ? Not sure. There is a problem in asking what others are going to do, mainly that you end up not really knowing who the answer refers to as quite often Yi will answer for you. I believe it is far more effective to put yourself right in the middle of the question for example "what if I expect him to come back" or some other question that involves you. Will post a link to relationship sticky.


My sense is this is something really hard to tackle that you both need to go through. Maybe the relationship itself was really hard and exhausting ? Maybe he is exhausted, maybe he has a lot on his plate elsewhere ?

I asked for more clarity about this supposed blockage and got: 51.3.6>30. Thank you for any help provided!

Classic error - basing another question on a misunderstanding of the first answer. Why were you reading the lines of the relating hexagram ?

Ah maybe you meant you were reading a sentence in hexagram 6 about being blocked. Well 6 is 'Conflict' which can be both internal and external disputes, conflicts in feelings or intents. Maybe you have both been very conflicted about this relationship because it is actually such hard work for you both ?

 

[Trojina]

So if you were asking about the conflict in hexagram 6 here

One of the lines of the Oracle of resulting 6th hexagram said: ''There is truth and confidence, blocked.''. I asked for more clarity about this supposed blockage and got: 51.3.6>30. Thank you for any help provided!

I think as the relating hexagram this is the point at which you are right now. Struggling with the circumstances which are difficult for you and him presumably.


Nature of the conflict in hexagram 6 ? Well 30 suggests you already know quite well what the areas of conflict were - you would do you were there. 51, Shock - something burst upon you that you weren't expecting or that you didn't know about ? Line 3 shows this has a stimulating effect. Line 6 I admit I find quite baffling in general having had no clear experiences of it. I wonder if some of this area of shock was actually to do with factors beyond the relationship that placed stress on the relationship ? Family problems/work problems - none of these ought to have gotten in your way as a couple as much as they did.


Here is the link to the relationship sticky which can help you with formulating relationship questions
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...42-Blog-post-Advice-for-relationship-readings

 

[Trojina]

Can anyone help with this, please? I asked some weeks ago another question and I received no replies, hoping to get some insight on this one.

Also worth being aware that 'what is he going to do ?' and 'what does he feel about me ?' are the most common questions posted here and also the ones that mostly cannot be answered in the way the person would like because we actually don't know from a reading what he thinks/feels/will do at least certainly no better than he himself does. Hence people can get weary of trying to answer these.


If you ask about your place in the relationship and give your own take on the cast as well as some background it can make things a bit easier to interpret and possibly might attract more replies. I think a few of us skip the threads on 'what is he thinking' so to get replies posting from a different angle might work better.

 

[Water_Lily]

'Buttocks without flesh,
Moving awkwardly now.
Danger.
No great mistake.'

(from Hilary's translation in wikiwing)

Line 3 shows a very difficult quest that can disrupt ordinary life. Something you feel compelled to deal with as your problem which can mean neglect of other areas of life. The line says this is really hard and it causes suffering, the buttocks are wasting away it's such hard work yet it is not a mistake ?

I believe it is far more effective to put yourself right in the middle of the question for example "what if I expect him to come back" or some other question that involves you.

My sense is this is something really hard to tackle that you both need to go through. Maybe the relationship itself was really hard and exhausting ? Maybe he is exhausted, maybe he has a lot on his plate elsewhere ?

Ah maybe you meant you were reading a sentence in hexagram 6 about being blocked. Well 6 is 'Conflict' which can be both internal and external disputes, conflicts in feelings or intents. Maybe you have both been very conflicted about this relationship because it is actually such hard work for you both ?

Thank you for the explanation, Trojina! I am still trying to understand what this all means. I took the break-up really hard and it did affect other areas of my life. All I can say is that we both had issues, his family had trouble with their business and I had my own personal difficulties. We would have to fight for this relationship, since we had plenty of obstacles and it's possible he may have given up. We had some arguments at the end, we were not communicating enough and I felt lonely and he might have been exhausted about that. At this point I know nothing of his life anymore.
At first I was not too sure if I should get involved with him, but it was for a short while only. Then later, he became wishy-washy. It was very stressful.

And yes, I was referring to the Oracle text of Hex 6, not the lines. Sorry for the misunderstanding I caused.

 

[Water_Lily]

Ah maybe you meant you were reading a sentence in hexagram 6 about being blocked. Well 6 is 'Conflict' which can be both internal and external disputes, conflicts in feelings or intents. Maybe you have both been very conflicted about this relationship because it is actually such hard work for you both ?

He was conflicted for sure, since he told me he didn't know if it could work between us (in the long therm), but we continued anyway (as I said, there were some obstacles). And we had conflicts at the end, when I wanted more interaction and he said he could not offer me that at the time.

 

[Water_Lily]

I believe it is far more effective to put yourself right in the middle of the question for example "what if I expect him to come back" or some other question that involves you.

I took your advice. I asked
''What ifs I expect him to come back?'' and I got 41.1.6> 7

We still have each other on Facebook, but he's been completely quiet. I asked also ''What if I block him there?'' and the answer was 63.2>5

What I really want is to try to reconcile, for us to give it another try, but since it's been a couple months since he hasn't reached out, I am starting to really lose hope and it hurts me to see him there. It would also hurt to block him and kill all hope and try to move on, so I am conflicted. I don't want to shoot myself in the leg by blocking, since what I really wish for is reconciliation.

 

[Trojina]

I took your advice. I asked
''What ifs I expect him to come back?'' and I got 41.1.6> 7

We still have each other on Facebook, but he's been completely quiet. I asked also ''What if I block him there?'' and the answer was 63.2>5

What I really want is to try to reconcile, for us to give it another try, but since it's been a couple months since he hasn't reached out, I am starting to really lose hope and it hurts me to see him there. It would also hurt to block him and kill all hope and try to move on, so I am conflicted. I don't want to shoot myself in the leg by blocking, since what I really wish for is reconciliation.

Definitely no need to block him on Facebook. 63.2 shows you would feel that need because you feel vulnerable and exposed like lady who loses the curtain to her carriage but the line says there's no need to worry about this, just let things be and that feeling will pass of itself.

Even simply from a common sense POV there is no sense in blocking someone you want to reconcile with is there ?

If you expect him to comeback or live with the hope he will ? 41.1.6>7. I get the sense that by reducing the really intense emotions around it all (41) there might be a chance to converse again even if only to make the ending better. It is really important how things end because it very much effects how you 'recover'. If nothing much was said and he just became cold with you that is quite damaging for you. 41.1 can feel very brusque.

I wonder if it might help just to have a normal conversation with him about something that's not to do with how you both feel or anything like that ? With 7 there is always an agenda of some kind so I guess that would be your drive to reconcile but I think you move forward by opening out the relationship - even if it means having a conversation amongst other people, to reduce the pressure. In general 41 is to do with lessening emphasis around things and making simple genuine offerings.


I'm afraid I cannot really say if it is good for you to hold expectations but I do think, especially given the 63.2, you should leave the lines of communication open.

 

[Water_Lily]

41.1.6>7 Updated

Definitely no need to block him on Facebook. 63.2 shows you would feel that need because you feel vulnerable and exposed like lady who loses the curtain to her carriage but the line says there's no need to worry about this, just let things be and that feeling will pass of itself.

Even simply from a common sense POV there is no sense in blocking someone you want to reconcile with is there ?

If you expect him to comeback or live with the hope he will ? 41.1.6>7. I get the sense that by reducing the really intense emotions around it all (41) there might be a chance to converse again even if only to make the ending better. It is really important how things end because it very much effects how you 'recover'. If nothing much was said and he just became cold with you that is quite damaging for you. 41.1 can feel very brusque.

I wonder if it might help just to have a normal conversation with him about something that's not to do with how you both feel or anything like that ? With 7 there is always an agenda of some kind so I guess that would be your drive to reconcile but I think you move forward by opening out the relationship - even if it means having a conversation amongst other people, to reduce the pressure. In general 41 is to do with lessening emphasis around things and making simple genuine offerings.


I'm afraid I cannot really say if it is good for you to hold expectations but I do think, especially given the 63.2, you should leave the lines of communication open.

I have updates about the whole story. I found out a couple days ago he is no longer in the country, and it's been like that for two months, basically he lives in his native country now, which is not too far from my own, probably the US equivalent of moving two states away. He failed at what he was supposed to do here and not coming back. I am in a state of shock and devastation. I still love him, despite the fact that we were not together for years, although I don't think it is always the amount of time together that defines how much you love someone.
I still have him on my Facebook, but that's it. It's been under my nose this thing, the whole time, but now I have the confirmation.
When we got together initially, there was talk of me, moving with him to his country if all goes well with us, but that would have been later down the line, and he would have had to stay some years here first.
But now that things took this turn, I don't know what could be done, really. When we spoke two months ago he said he won't know what to do with his life or how will he look after himself, let alone look after me, if he leaves.

I asked the I-Ching is there's a way things between us/his interest can be rekindled and I got 39.1.3.5 > 24

 

[marybluesky]

Hello Waterlily!

Hexagram 39: Impasse
There is no way for you to be together right now.

Line 1: Going leads to obstruction. Coming brings praise.
You face more difficulty by insisting on pushing things forward . Do nothing.

Line 3: Going leads to obstruction. Therefore he returns. He will be happy.
You will feel better by diverting your mind from this guy and trying to continue your own life.

Line 5: One meets great obstruction. Friends come.
Going through this great difficulty, you can get help, whether in the form of other people or inner power.

Hexagram 24: Return
The Symbol of Returning, Revival, Recovery
You will return to your proper course and regain your lost energy .

You should forget about this guy and start your recovery process. Good luck!

*The italic parts are cited from http://www.jamesdekorne.com.