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ichie

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im sorry candid, i liked what you said very much, and i think youre great. your take on it did go somewhere, i assure you. i was just really looking for real life occurances. i have read a lot of your posts, and you have given a lot of incredible wisdom and experience, more than i will in my whole life. Mahatma.

i feel like i have upset Ena, which sadens me, Ena, as i feel you were really trying to help me. Thank you. But i must say, i leave my step mom out of my personal life, so i dont ask her about my private I Chings, especially about this guy. Please know I am so sad about what happened to your country, and your life. I feel it.
 

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Hi Ichie,

You didn`t upset me at all! I`ve just tried to get it all closer to you, and the only way I can do it is from my personal perspective and from what I`ve learned from books, this forum and real life.

The only reason I wrote about my life is to describe a moment of beggining consulting Yi.
And that`s all my TAO-things I had to pass through, obviously.

When I said to talk with your step mother about Yi, I really ment to ask her about general description of hexagram meanings, without going into details. Just because of her expirience.

And if you continue consulting Yi, keep a diary!!!

I can talk for days about real-life-meaning of every single hexagram.

For example ( I woun`t talk about 44, since I`ve already wrote about it):

- Whenever I got 25, it ment some unexpected stopping - brake up, illness, loss...

- 39 ment some trouble allready happening or the one happened in a next 2-3 days

- 52 ment sick-leave, not doing anything at all, reason not to warry, suspension of some desires...

-33 is always withdrowal, from fight, social relationships, from making decisions...

- 49 would always mean a change, for better or for worst...

- 51 can be a meeting with someone capable of a stable relationship or someone really helpfull, or someone you`ll fell in love with, it can mean your fear of something, it can mean some disasterous changes that will affect all, but that will pass soon...

- 41 usually means a diminishment or just that you can count on someone, or have a person you can dring coffee or go for a dring, it can also mean you or somebody else will f=give-up on something, it can mean company you work for will stop existing...

- 31 can mean verbal or sexual influence on someone and it is good hexagram

- 26 can mean to be suitable for diplomatic job, good time to go to some foreign country, serving the army, or thinking of the past in unrealisting way, or long absence for some reason...

- 40 can mean a definitive brake-up of a relationship, forgiveness, or just release after time of trouble

- 21 is very hard, but it can mean going to the dentist, arrest, legal process or just biting through obstruction, or just wanting to the answer for any price

- 59 is usually brake up, or dissolution

- 54 is almost always about existence of another woman, weather in job or love, or situation you can`t controll...

- 53 is kind of a progress, but it`s not rarely that there is no progress at all...Or it can mean just a search for something...

- 32 can mean a long lasting potential, or something that lasts for a while and then stops for a beggining of a new thing...

- 63, im my expirience, means something that will start good, but can easily turn into something bad, - good beggining but bad ending...

And so on and so on.
There are few hexagrams that I can`t understand well, such as 50, 7, 34, 42, 55, 62...

Hope this brief description will be of use.

And, again, I must say that this is only my personal expirience, but I hope thet some in this forum will even partly agree wit me.

Candid,

Thanks, first thing I do when read a thread is looking for your and Hilary`s answers. They are so helpfull and good.

Best to all,
 
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ichie

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Thank you Ena. You have given me so much to work with. I am a bird with my mouth open far too much, and I will be quiet now and simply take in everything everyone has offered about this line. Thank you Candid, Brad, Hilary, Ena, Jeanystar, Cheiron, Jte, Anonymous in the other thread, and all of Clarity.
 
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cheiron

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<FONT COLOR="119911">Hi Ena

Thanks you made me do some thinking!

I have quoted you in blue...

As you said many find their way to the Yijing because of difficulties in their life. I don?t think that is either a good or bad thing.</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">?Does that mean that Yi Ching diviners live more perfect lives than people who don`t divine at all??</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="119911">I think the Yijing has taught me a little more wisdom than I might have possessed otherwise? it has, perhaps, led me away from a few stupid errors? and has stimulated me to explore choices and my path more creatively.

But there again I know folk with a deftness in their living so that they seem to manage matters better than I without the aid of the Yijing?</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">?In order to get old and wise, and learn something about life, we should pass through all kinds of life experience, good and bad, disastrous and happy. That is the only way!!!

There are some kinds of misfortunes that we should not try to stop, since it can be a precious experience in sage gaining.

If we are strong inside, we?ll pass through misfortune well, able to move on and forget about it.?</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="119911">I agree, for me being alive is to live and to experience and to learn. Not to forget though.

For me being strong is not about strength? it is about knowing when to Yield too? When to apply force and when to be receptive? action and rest? many things... being appropriate to the time and faithful to my Dao within the Dao of the time.

So the question becomes the choices of when and what and how and where? For me the Yijing can stimulate my perception with some added advice.</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">"After all, Yi Ching is kind of divination which tells about that we all have our own TAO, everyone of us different one, and that we have to pass through all kind of things in order to find out what is our tao.

The whole mosaic will be seen in the end."</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="119911">Yes
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Hopefully?

I believe we are born as creative beings? and are driven by a great life force within us? I will not give up that freedom to be hurt, to love to create etc., to a book or a teacher or an organisation be it a philosophy or a religion.

But having a teacher is not a bad thing and a teacher can be a book of wisdom? it is how and when I use it that makes the difference between servitude and dullness or finding new insights and ways of doing things which are perhaps a little more wise than I might otherwise have done.</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">?One more thing, Kevin, What do you mean with LADY OF FATE?
Is it some kind of a destiny meeting??</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="119911">I think we make our own destiny to a great degree? given the limitations of the situation of our birth and the actions of those around us over which we seem not to have any control.

However quite a number of times, in my life, things beyond my control have happened in just such a way and at just such a time that some major, seemingly, positive or seemingly negative and quite unexpected change has taken place? and a chain of events started that led to something that seemed very appropriate to me and my path.

With hindsight the pattern seemed most unlikely and depended on many minor things coming together it just such a way? in an unlikely way? Karma? Lady of Fate? The pattern of the Dao? I do not know.

You said to Ichie that there were only some 2,000 possible answers? well actually it is four thousand and a few hundred (I forget the exact number). Then every hexagram can be read at different levels and applied in different ways?

In practice the numbers of possible outcomes for a given question is a lot larger than most of us would even begin to come up with if we sat down for a week with pen and paper and brainstormed.

After many years with it I have no doubt whatsoever it is a window to some ?intelligence?? How else is it possible that I can sit and dialogue with it for a few hours and the conversation seems wholly appropriate as it cajoles and teases and leads me through a refinement of ideas till I get some clarity?

I am talking about a reading every 30 ? 60 seconds? A conversation.

I suppose it suites some and not others and the ones it suites work with it in a myriad of ways.

I saw further down the thread that you have been through a lot? I offer my respect and a hope that you can always find the strength and wisdom to find a way through.

--Kevin</FONT>
 
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cheiron

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Travel well Ichie

When we stop seeking we are probably best off in the ground.

Thanks for sharing your ideas and questions.

--Kevin
 

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As usual I have a different experience. Many years of frustration of not knowing this line and finally: You ever notice that every hexagram has at least on co
ntrasting line to the hexagram and the other lines?

And then I thought "ripe fruit" meaning:the influence is nearly here but perhaps one might have be able to influence the situation (which is highly unfavorabl)here you can knock it off the tree-this would speak to steps taken in advance.

Ni says that the wisdom of the Hexagram is stopping something unfavorable before it happens.


Stopping it is the hard part. Being a lawyer I got this reading before a very emotional court case. The hearing was a disaster,my client went nuts, would not listen to a scintilla of advice, in fact would not let me negotiate on his behalf at all and settled for a fraction of what the case was worth (about $800,00 and he agreed to take $100,00) even though these heirs had clearly stolen the estate and forged the will.
 
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tashij

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Good to hear from you Middaughter. have been in my thoughts, wishes...

tash.
 
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demitramn

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Middaughter,
regarding the court case gone awry:

were you saying that any situation that enters hx44 into its results from a Yi cast, is a situation that is most likely to meet with resistence to outside attempts at changing or affecting the conditions that one is presented with, as necessary or as tempting as it appears to be?

iow, when hx44 is part of the results, does it indicate that time and effort expended trying to effect change or trying to hold-on in that particular instance, is downright superfluous, if not an outright waste of time and effort?

please correct me if this was not your meaning

Demitra
 

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I looked at my posting above and see if was rife with omissions:

What I meant to say is the wisdom of Hex 44 is taking care of problems while they are still small. This is Ni's interpretation (of course he says a lot more)

The 5th is the only favorable line. Take precautions it would seem to intmate; the only ln wHere we might avoid the coming problem.

As for the court case, it would have been a good idea to call sick (or something imaginative) until the underlying problem was dealt with - I find this hard to do overall and would continue with the divination until the fruit fell off the tree so to speak. Sometimes I am so close!

Ni opines would should not be kept by a woman-I think this is silly-someone get this heagram and experiment please! If this too much to ask?

In my own experience I find this hexagram unfavorable but this could mean anything to a busted court hearing (not so bad) to a bad accident.

(Hilary and I have had some discussion about the influence (such as 5 lines going to meet the lst line)merely shows the energy flow and not usually the severity of the problem. For example, Hexagram 36 can mean anything from hurt feelings to a death in the family-the energy flow of the darkening of the light seems to be what is emphasized.(As an aside many of us divined who would win the last US presidential election. For Bush we got Darkening of the Light. It is clear to me that this influence surrounded him because of 9/11)
I know I have become superstitious-years of the Yi might do that- but I would never get on a plane with this 44 reading until I had satisfied myself about coming events.

The insight of 44 for me was the usual structure of the the hexagrams in that usually one (sometimes more but at least one line that contrasts with the overall meaning of the other lines.

In 44 The 5th line in a contrast of sorts to the other lines. Historically, (I would guess this hexagram has been altered and the result (and even the image) is a bit weak.

the fifth here means you have a chance to overcome the problem you just have to find out what action or nonaction will do.

I think I can answer the question of Dobro - it was not the Yi causing the Situation rather the Yi reflects what is actually going to happen )

I find the fundamental importance of the Book of Changes is that we can, as the Great Treatise says, in so many words, change the outcome of things, or as it says "aid the gods in governing the world.

We need not be passive observers in our fate! .

I guess by deduction the other 5 lines of 44 indicate some sort of predestination. It would be hard to change this future but two ideas present themselves: you may learn something from calming yourself and facing the difficulty and thus achieve spiritual growth. Second, ask again!-can deliverance be achieved?

This is where you begin to be an advanced student by understanding these ideas.
Mary
 

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