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Also not much mentioned in this thread is the boorishness/pushiness/disrespect of boundaries the 44 encounter can bring. In my experience at least its not always to do with the glamour of seduction, far from it. More often its someone who wants to impose their will but with a bit of a sweetener, like a bait, so that for a moment one is tempted to join with them but a moment is about all one can afford when they're out to steamroller you lol. 44 can also be about force and domination, the overriding of ones will, a kind of rape mentality.
And true to the nature of 44 we have got sucked in by over sexualising its message. 44 is about all sorts of things in life that are pushy, intrusive, demanding of our energy, which will ultimately drain us if we give it too much space in our life. So we have to have a quick feel and let go thats all - theres nothing to say that feel won't be exquisite though (no wink icon available in edit mode but 'wink'.)
I think you've feminised 44 here - you've translated the symbols of 44 into a woman's point of view. But here's my very interesting question (I don't ask many, but when I do...) does it mean the same now as the traditional symbol of the woman who's not to be joined with? Now that the image is of a guy that should trigger warning lights in you, does it mean the same? Does the danger of getting raped hold the same meaning as the risk of getting together with a girl you ought not to do that with?
I think you've feminised 44 here - you've translated the symbols of 44 into a woman's point of view. But here's my very interesting question (I don't ask many, but when I do...) does it mean the same now as the traditional symbol of the woman who's not to be joined with? Now that the image is of a guy that should trigger warning lights in you, does it mean the same? Does the danger of getting raped hold the same meaning as the risk of getting together with a girl you ought not to do that with?
I don't really get your point ?
Remember I was not referring to the physical act of rape necessarily but I said 'rape mentality' by which I meant not caring if someone is receptive or if you will harm them or not in the encounter. I was not, in writing my post, particulary imaging a man here, or a woman in fact, so I think you and Topal have misunderstood me. I take the 'strong' in 44 to be that which is intrusive, pushy, overbearing and well, selfish.
Maybe the “woman” is all the things opposite to rational thinking. A strong man maybe can lose his mind falling in love with such a seductive woman or do things that other characterize as madness. I don’t believe a amount of madness is wrong. Thinking too rationally sometimes is like sealing our life and don’t let creativity enter and work.
I still don’t’ understand Wilhelm’s point. Looks like temptation or passion is always leads to fatal mistakes. Maybe its that scorpion nature of mine, lol, but I can’t agree totally with him.
Yeah, I understand you're talking about rape mentality, but even 'rape mentality' is seldom applied to the way a woman treats a man. But men are often 'intrusive, pushy, overbearing and selfish' when they're interested in a woman. Women on the other hand, when they're interested in a man, can be many things, but in my experience are not often intrusive, pushy, overbearing and selfish. See, I'm not criticising what you've said, I'm asking a question about it. When you shift the genders in the Yi image, does it change the meaning? I think so. That's one question. Another question is your experience of 44, which is interesting (unpleasant, but interesting).
What I don't get about 44 is what it has to with the Image of "Disseminating commands"
I really like what Maremaria's writing here. Of course, it all fits with my own ideas, so I would, wouldn't I?
.I don't think I've had these experiences Trojan's talking about, of meeting another person with a 44-ish agenda. I suppose I've thought of 44 more in terms of what the encounter means to the person encountering the 'strong woman', less in terms of what her motives might be. And that tends to be a heady combination of fertility, complete unpredictability, and disruption/ undermining of everything that's stable and assured
The 44.5 job offer is for one where you never know from day to day what you might encounter or what you might be called on to do. You might well not want to keep it for long, though that would depend on how much you enjoy stability.
As for the Image, and what that has to do with the basic idea of Encountering or Coupling... I'm not sure, but I think it's important that this is the prince (or queen - the character's close to the name of 44 itself), not the king. He receives orders, or a mandate, via the king, and makes it his own, broadcasting it to the four directions of the kingdom. He's inwardly moved, penetrated and shaped (xun) by the enduring power of heaven.
If this relates to the Zhouyi text at all - and it would be odd if it just ignored it, the Daxiang authors were pretty wide awake - then the way the prince responds to the mandate parallels the way one can respond to what falls from its source in heaven in line 5. Which, to my mind, has a lot to do with conception, which in turn has a lot to do with powerful women.
Maybe the “woman” is all the things opposite to rational thinking. A strong man maybe can lose his mind falling in love with such a seductive woman or do things that other characterize as madness. I don’t believe a amount of madness is wrong. Thinking too rationally sometimes is like sealing our life and don’t let creativity enter and work.
I still don’t’ understand Wilhelm’s point. Looks like temptation or passion is always leads to fatal mistakes. Maybe its that scorpion nature of mine, lol, but I can’t agree totally with him.
I think you're taking things too literally here.
Nope, I don’t. Maybe its not easy to everyone to make the connections, but I can understand that. Funny while this conversation take place here I was in a place where we lets say(metaphorically) playing games about literal/symbolic.
Remember theres no reason to think 44 is literally about a man falling passionately in love with a seductive woman. Your mind has attached that scenario to 44 - it isn't there inherently I don't think - well if it is it is only metaphorical. Its says nothing either about madness nor rationality.
From here it seems you take too and only literally what I’m saying that’s why you are probably confused.
I don't think Wilhelm is saying passion always leads to fatal mistakes. And who says 44 is really about passion ? Is the word 'passion' in there or is it your word ? See I reckon you've attached a whole group of stuff to 44 and what you believe 44 to be against and its not there in 44 its in your ideas about love/passion versus rationality/madness - like you are trying to make these things either/or but its not like that. Rational people may be the most passionate, 'mad' people may be very boring...but why am i saying this ? all those ideas have not much to do with 44 but to do with idealisations of passion and so on. Cliches infact about what passion is and cliches about rationality being inimical to passion.
All I'm saying is if you step back from your current associations with 44 which seem to be to do with the madness of passion you may get a clearer picture. I don't think 44 is about being wrapped up in passion but being gripped by something that may long term gobble you up and spit you out as it ensnares your will... and losing your will to another is never that much fun long term anyhow. Short term it may be a blast lol
Good advise!!!!
Of course it may well be about a whole lot more too I don't know, I'm only speaking from what I've perceived, but whats there may not be based wholly around the passion/rationality angle you seem to feel it is now.
Seen from the literal man-woman-and-seduction point, this is a great 43-44 video.
Hips don't lie
This one is better quality than the one on YouTube but it might take longer to load.
She about his 43:
Oh baby, when you talk like that
You make a woman go mad
So be wise and keep on
Reading the signs of my body
He about her 44:
Hey girl, I can see your body moving
And it's driving me crazy
And I didn't have the slightest idea
Until I saw you dancing
She about his 44:
Oh boy, I can see your body moving
Half animal, half man
I don't, don't really know what I'm doing
But you seem to have a plan (43)
He about the 43 of the situation:
No fightin' no fightin'
I can see theres no use trying to explain further since by calling my ideas a 'denial'
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