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If you have Hilary's book I recommend reading her section on it, because there's a warning about overloading something with emotional energy, and the need to be watchful about the dangers of overinvestment.

The hexagram may also be a good metaphor for how he sees you. But in that case you'd still need to include the potential negatives and caveats that the hexagram points to.


Thank you again nebu. I have Hilary's book. Looking at the negative potential of the Hexagram, would you say he is thinking about making sure he doesn't over-invest emotionally?
 

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Thank you again nebu. I have Hilary's book. Looking at the negative potential of the Hexagram, would you say he is thinking about making sure he doesn't over-invest emotionally?

Nebu doesn't know what hes thinking and as far as I can see hasn't claimed to

Nor does anyone else here,not even with the help of hexagram 45

where does asking other people what hes thinking actually get you ? Do you think it gets you any nearer to knowing what hes actually thinking ? How can it ?


Initially i thought this was someone you didn't know well but you are his girlfriend right ? You say you are 'together', are lovers so I was then puzzled that you were wondering if he saw you as sexual etc etc.... he has sex with you...so he must do. Okay you were asking about archetypes but i guess it would be harder to have sex with a mother archetype...maybe ?


I'm writing this not with a wish to censor, I know you are quite thoughtful about Yi and how you use it....I do respect that and your choice of question, I'm just genuinely puzzled as to how you think other people can tell you what hes thinking when being his girlfriend, his lover surely you have the prime position to find out....?

What are you really trying to find out when you seek information about his thoughts from other people who don't know him. I'd say if he can't communicate with you to the degree you need to ask others what hes thinking theres something wrong here. If he cannot make an effort to show you or tell you clearly where you stand with him we certainly can't....IMO If he can't let you know that you are the one for him and you hang somewhere in limbo with this then this is a problem and you probably deserve more if you are going to continue with him.


Okay maybe your questions are deeper or trying to get at something more than what is he thinking looking back at post 29 but your last post 31 sparked my comments because again you are after specifics about what hes thinking and I can't see how the heck we'd really know
 
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Hmm Trojan... I feel very misunderstood about my intentions.. not only about why I asked the question, but also with some of the posts I have continued with, I feel my thoughts are not getting thru. You all have wonderful ideas so I suppose I wish you could understand what I am saying. So I will keep on trucking and trying to explain...

When I said "would you say he is thinking about making sure he doesn't over-invest emotionally?" - first off, the HE was italics..

...And I ment the angle .... I wasn't asking nebu to tell me IF he was thinking about making sure he doesn't over invest.. I was asking if nebu thought I should see 45 as from his perspective... or if nebu was again trying to say IIIII should not over invest in HIM.
Capish?

This is SO HARD to explain, yet so simple... I am going to try and peice things together.


Random Thoughts:
1.You see, nebu's responses, and your's as well, were more based on not answering the initial question and more so, a sort of, pyschological, "you should be focusing on yourself" and Yi cannot make someone understand how someone ELSE sees them, kind of response. Which is undestandable. I can see that perspective but don't agree. I really like what patro said:

Originally Posted by patro
imo the yi is always be able to answer to any questions.... we need to learn and to understand more deeply how the yi interact with us. the yi interact in a special way with each one of us.


2.I am sure it is partially that nebu (and possibly everyone else:confused:)did not understand the depth and angle of my question because it was terribly worded. He also seems to feel positively strong about self progression and betterment. I like that. Maybe that comes into play.

3.Also, there are a lot of threads on this site that go a little something like this... "Will he call?" "Is he the one?" etc. And they all seem to be based in uncertainty regarding their union/or wish for union. I on the other hand was not coming from a place of uncertainly, moreso a place of curiousity of perception. I could see how it would be easily misunderstood as a question of uncertainty but I never said that, so that was an assumption.

4.:mischief: Yes, we have sex.

5.I am very into Carl Jung. I am very into finding archetypes within all things. I think they are everywhere. I am not the average girl. I have a lot of unspoken intent. I know I see X as a "protector" type. I was hoping to get something like that out of the Yi from X's angle.

6.I know X and I think very differently. To me it is like, if I had a friend in China and I know I would never be traveling there, and I live in the US. I would say on the phone, "How is the weather?" or "what does the landscape look like". I wouldn't be able to experience the weather/landscape.
It's a curiousity thing for me to think about what someone else is viewing or how they perceive something. Also their point of views. I know I can never see through X's eyes. I just wanted a word or idea to pop out at me from the pages. And finally it did after many responses from various people.


I'd like to think you understand my intent better. Please let me know.
 

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Hmm Trojan... I feel very misunderstood about my intentions.. not only about why I asked the question, but also with some of the posts I have continued with, I feel my thoughts are not getting thru. You all have wonderful ideas so I suppose I wish you could understand what I am saying. So I will keep on trucking and trying to explain...

When I said "would you say he is thinking about making sure he doesn't over-invest emotionally?" - first off, the HE was italics..

...And I ment the angle .... I wasn't asking nebu to tell me IF he was thinking about making sure he doesn't over invest.. I was asking if nebu thought I should see 45 as from his perspective... or if nebu was again trying to say IIIII should not over invest in HIM.
Capish?

Erm not really becasue IMO Nebu or anyone cannot possibly know from what perspective you should see this answer . Its one of the reasons why these kinds of questions are oft advised against, you end up where you are, not knowing from which angle to take the answer.

What i wish was understood for once is that these questions asking about another POV are not advised against becasue of ethics, nor does it have anything to do with what Yi can and can't answer its because of the practical reason that it is unclear whose perspective the answer addresses. Sometimes it will be perfectly clear to a querant and thats fine, but if it isn't clear to the querant then in this case other people really cannot help. How on earth could they. If you don't know who its talking about how should we.

This is SO HARD to explain, yet so simple... I am going to try and peice things together.


Random Thoughts:
1.You see, nebu's responses, and your's as well, were more based on not answering the initial question and more so, a sort of, pyschological, "you should be focusing on yourself" and Yi cannot make someone understand how someone ELSE sees them, kind of response. Which is undestandable. I can see that perspective but don't agree. I really like what patro said:

Originally Posted by patro
imo the yi is always be able to answer to any questions.... we need to learn and to understand more deeply how the yi interact with us. the yi interact in a special way with each one of us.

Its not hard to explain but Patro missed the point being made. I repeat this has absolutley nothing to do with what Yi can and can't answer. Afterall who the heck am I to know what Yi can and cannot answer, I don't know. But you didn't understand Yis answer precisely because you asked from someone elses perspective, couldn't figure the angle of the answer so then came here to ask others whose perspective the answer is from. Its not that Yi can't answer you here but i don't think other people can claim to know which perspective you are being answered from. If you knew that would be fine, but you don't know and if you don't know then I really can't see how others would know from whose perspective you are being answered



2.I am sure it is partially that nebu (and possibly everyone else:confused:)did not understand the depth and angle of my question because it was terribly worded. He also seems to feel positively strong about self progression and betterment. I like that. Maybe that comes into play.

Well AQ regardless of angle and depth I still feel this comes down to needing to communicate with him to find the answers you need. I really do not think you will get to know his view on you this way nor will you get to know the perspective from which your question was being answered. Not becasue the Yi can't tell you but becasue you don't know the angle Yi is answering from and if you don't know others cannot claim to know IMO


3.Also, there are a lot of threads on this site that go a little something like this... "Will he call?" "Is he the one?" etc. And they all seem to be based in uncertainty regarding their union/or wish for union. I on the other hand was not coming from a place of uncertainly, moreso a place of curiousity of perception. I could see how it would be easily misunderstood as a question of uncertainty but I never said that, so that was an assumption.

4.:mischief: Yes, we have sex.

5.I am very into Carl Jung. I am very into finding archetypes within all things. I think they are everywhere. I am not the average girl. I have a lot of unspoken intent. I know I see X as a "protector" type. I was hoping to get something like that out of the Yi from X's angle.

6.I know X and I think very differently. To me it is like, if I had a friend in China and I know I would never be traveling there, and I live in the US. I would say on the phone, "How is the weather?" or "what does the landscape look like". I wouldn't be able to experience the weather/landscape.
It's a curiousity thing for me to think about what someone else is viewing or how they perceive something. Also their point of views. I know I can never see through X's eyes. I just wanted a word or idea to pop out at me from the pages. And finally it did after many responses from various people.


I'd like to think you understand my intent better. Please let me know.

Well I never had any dark suspicions about your intent its just I think you are chasing a phantom here. Your curiosity about his mind, even given you are in a relationship with him seems a distanced way of relating to him,,,indeed its almost a way of avoiding him and his actual thoughts. But I dont see any bad intentions, I am not saying that, I just think you are leading yourself a rather circuitous and fruitless dance...(possibly to avoid some other more obvious perception about him ....?)


Anyway its your choice and you know my opinion....but I am not giving you the benefit of it ;) because I feel you have bad motives, not at all, I just don't see it leading you to anywhere....

Oh well...please continue anyway, this is something i think we must agree to differ on.


I can see some general ideas on 45 may help but I really don't think anyone can be much more specific than that and as I said thats not me saying what Yi can and can't answer, how should I know that, its me saying people here can't answer specifically about the angle of the answer or how you should take it. If you think they can fair enough.
 
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oh BTW incase you feel nagged I only repeat this rant if I feel some care for the person asking so I feel I should give them the benefit of my infinite wisdom ;)


so its a compliment :rofl:

Meanwhile rant over, do continue, the thread is nevertheless instructive on many levels :D and I could learn something anyway...I mean who knows I could even be wrong
 

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Hi all

Earlier this evening (technically yesterday in my time zone) I re-read what I'd written in this thread, and then mulled it over. I came to the conclusion that I don't have anything to add to (or subtract from) what I've already said, because I think I said my views on it all already, and if I re-said them now it would only be less clear and more dissipated etc.

About intentions, whether good or bad, they never crossed my mind. I was quite surprised to see them brought up because I didn't seen any sign in any part of the thread of them being an issue.

Regards

Nebu
 

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Answeredquestions,

I have been reading this thread, well, because I was one who tried to help. I am trying to understand the unusual turn this thread has taken in the light of 45. Admittedly, I am finding this current transition more difficult.

However, I did want to say how I very much appreciated your graciousness and openness with all of our attempts to help. Your working through on your insight was helpful to me in terms of understanding 45 in context. You gave me a gift of understanding. I appreciated your question, and its root ... to quest. Archtypal or just typal ... it is all good IMHO. Also, I learned what one can gain by staying with an answer and trying to understand it from the place it was asked. Although this was your journey, your questing, I thank-you for clearly outlining your process of insight.

I understand this question; I have asked this question (how someone sees me), and I have received insight from Yi's answer to this question; and, I have received insight from Yi's answer to your question. This is why I chose to respond to it. You, of course, have the option to take or leave any insight that does not fit.

I guess I felt the need to respond here ... to say "I get it". I understood what you said, and I appreciated it on many levels. Thank-you again for sharing your question, your answer, and your insight regarding the 3S's.

Namaste.
 
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This thread went in a completely different direction than I had ever intended. One that could possibly be better categorized under Exploring Divination in some places.




I've learned a lot:
I did find the answer I was searching for after talking out possibilities. I understand the answer that was shown to me. It is obvious to me now, but it was not in the beginning.

Through this process, I now know that the Yi can answer these perspective questions. I admit they are not the easiest answers to get to. You have to be open to the symbols, and flip them to another view. I find that challenge right up my alley and I will continue to ask questions about other perspectives.

All in all, I understand what the posts regarding the nature of this question were saying.
Example:
nebu said:
I don't think the 'how does so-and-so perceive me?' is where the emphasis needs to lie and if it was I wouldn't have responded in the other thread, and in that thread you're referring to if you look at the history of that question from the author's previous threads you'll see that the intention was to ask 'how am I coming across?', which has - or at least can have - a very different emphasis to 'let me get behind this other person's eyes'.

IMO the emphasis needs to be on self-awareness, about how you're contributing to the interaction, what you're bringing to it that you might not currently be aware of, that you might have a blind spot about but which the Yi can cast light on and help you integrate, thus growing as a person.

^These kinds of responses have expanded my ideas for questioning and furthered my curiousity rather than limited my questioning. The ideas of a different sort of questioning are wonderful. I will simply add them to my list rather than dismiss my questions about other's perspectives.

I learned also a bit more about the nature of questioning and question sharing. If I would have kept this question to myself, I believe I could have kept the same wording (knowing my own intent). BUT I would not have figured it out without help from all of you . I learned that if I am going to be sharing my readings, I should word the question better and possibly give a brief extra commentary on what I am intending to ask in the beginning. I now see this to be necessary.




Thanks!:
trojan said:
oh BTW incase you feel nagged I only repeat this rant if I feel some care for the person asking so I feel I should give them the benefit of my infinite wisdom

:blush: Aw.. trojan. I did think for a minute you were picking on me, but I see you are helping instead. I really appreciate your wisdom and your "crab-like" criticism. :rolleyes: Your attitude matches your Avatar.:rofl:Thank you! And I will always welcome your thoughts and ideas.


I guess I felt the need to respond here ... to say "I get it". I understood what you said, and I appreciated it on many levels. Thank-you again for sharing your question, your answer, and your insight regarding the 3S's.

I am so glad you have learned. So have I ace. And I am glad you "get it":). This was a journey I could not have walked alone.

ace said:
You gave me a gift of understanding.
RIGHT BACK AT YOU. You also gave me lots of support. I appreciate this so much.

patro said:
imo the yi is always be able to answer to any questions.... we need to learn and to understand more deeply how the yi interact with us. the yi interact in a special way with each one of us.

patro - I think this is one of the posts that needs to be looked at the most. Thank you. I am still learning how to interact with the Yi and understand all of it's messages and divine powers.

pocossin - Thanks for your feedback and helping me with 45. It made for a better understanding. It is a good feeling to know people are there to help. I hope I can do the same. This site is honestly a haven of helpers.

nebu - Your, what I would like to call, "stubbornness" :D, was just the push I needed to balance myself out for this question. The push to my pull so to speak. ;)
THANKS!!





End:
I think this thread is finished. If anyone wants to continue the topic about perspective and types of questions, I would say we could start a new thread in Exploring. As far as the actual answer, I have found it, and I am thankful for all of your help in doing so.
Case closed.:cool:
This means a lot. Thank you to EVERYONE. :hug:
 

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Wonderful,insightful thread for me..Thank you answeredquestions.


IMO (not related to Hex 45) or perhaps it is..but I notice Its hard for others to understand the complex nature of our social relationship structure in our country(because there really is none) (especially gen x or younger.)
 

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