45 unchanging

[calumet]

My intuition has been sky-high of late, and my emotions have been running about as high. I was mulling one of my most troublesome problems, and for no apparent reason I suddenly felt sure of an outcome I very much desire. However, I'm afraid that I may be fooling myself. I asked, How should I understand my new conviction? I cast 45 without change. This is an issue between me and another person--nothing obvious to do with communities, gatherings, or the such. I use the yarrow stick method, if that matters. Your thoughts?

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Calumet-
Try reading 45 as if it were all about Security.
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[candid]

Hi Calmunet,

You're gathering your resources and your faith. With possessions comes danger of robbery.
Guard your belief.

 

[cal val]

Hi Calumet...

I guess this is where I put forth my theory about 45 since you've just provided corroborating evidence.

45 is about spiritual gathering. I think Wilhelm just skimmed the surface in his interpretion. I'll explain.

I have a connection to people I'm close to. I can feel their feelings toward me when they're strong... whether it's fear, anger, anticipation, excitement, love... whatever. The feelings come in waves "out of nowhere." When I was a kid, I named them my "stranger feelings" because I felt like a stranger was inside me when I got them. It wasn't until I got older that I discovered they were coming from other people... people close to me... not strangers at all. But the name stuck. So...

After I came to the forum and started understanding how to study and interpret the Yi, when my feelings came (from a man I was very close to for awhile... my soul mate actually), I asked the Yi, "What was THAT about," and they most frequently answered 45. I would think "Great... we're going to get together." And we would never get together. So I was always confused about the 45 answer.

Then one day, after the Yi and my dreams had made it abundantly clear to me that he IS my soul mate and we are spiritually bound, I got 45 again when asking about my stranger feeling. I was confused since we never got together when they said 45 before, and I read the Wilhelm translation very carefully allowing for the fact that even Wilhelm missed the point sometimes when translating the Chinese. And it hit me.

It's about a spiritual connection... gathering together on the spiritual plane. My stranger feeling was him... his spirit... connecting with me... my spirit, and I felt it. So...

I believe your strong intuition is you tuning in and connecting on the spiritual level. And I believe that's what the Yi is trying to tell you.

Love,

Val

 

[martin]

I think you've hit the nail on the head, Val.
My idea is that hex 45 is similar to an aspect of venus and neptune in astrology (the trigram lake is similar to venus and the earth trigram corresponds to neptune).
One possible interpretation is 'spiritual love' or 'mystical union'. The agape concept of christianity comes near.
This kind of love doesn't necessarily materialize (or incarnate) in physical meetings.

 

[calumet]

Thank you for the comments. Re my intuition: It is a necessary part of my work, at which I am fairly successful. So, within the limits imposed by my professional setting, my intuition functions reliably and well. Outside of work, I will occasionally have a spike of strong intuition about someone whom I am particularly close to albeit physically separated. Such intuitions seem to come when that person is in the grip of strong emotion. In fact, I first noticed this current cascade of feelings and perceptions on waking from a dream in which my eldest daughter, who is unmarried, brought a chubby little baby to show me. Not much mystery about the meaning of that dream! That day, she called to tell me she's fallen in love.

Anyway, thank you again for the useful idea of seeing 45 as a commentary on comings-together other than physical.

 

[sbd]

This discussion of 45 is very rich and relevant for me. I have a situation where non-physical, spiritual love is definitely happening, and I received 45 unchangning as the answer to my question about the best approach to take moving forward in the relationship. Unfortunately, I don't see the action in this answer (my question about "approach" implied: what action to take?) but I do see a very good description of the current relationship as is, especially given the above thoughts of 45.

Do you think it's possible Yi is not answering me directly? Is it possible I'm just being given validation for the current state of affairs? What does one do with such an answer?

 

[sbd]

P.S. Re-reading Val's comments above especially, I wonder if I might assume Yi is telling me to keep the relationship on the spiritual plan, and not to gather together physically? This would be sad indeed if true. I'm just unclear about the advise being given to me and welcome assistance.

 

[bradford_h]

There wasn't much response to my suggestion way above to consider 45 as being about (emotional) security, but it applies here as well.
From one perspective, proceed according to your own sense of security and keep it all on terra firma. If it's right it will thrive.
From the opposite point of view, don't let the insecurities that belong somewhere else mess this thing up.

 

[sbd]

Bradford, then are you suggesting 45 is about gathering together from a place of confidence? Is this your terra firma? And yet, to also remain aware of the insecurities that are present?

 

[bradford_h]

Yep-
But what you're gathering together here is yourself, staying centered and keeping your strength, ready for things to change, but not expecting things to go a certain way. Just being sincere and not worrying.
But hey, that's just what you called it- spiritual love.
Where insecurities are present let them be little things and be bigger and firmer than they are.

 

[seeker]

Sarah Denings interpretation also talks about groups but some of the qualities mentioned are important in a relationship too. She mentions working together harmoniously, playing your part unselfishly, giving the best you can and anticipating and heading off difficulties. She also says do the best for all concerned, and let nothing shake your faith in yourself and what you are doing. If people know they can depend on you, they give you their confidence and respect. Not sure if that helps, but its a little different take from the usual interpretation of this hex.

 

[calumet]

Not sure if this will help, but bear in mind that sitting quietly with a thought, idea, emotion, something you know, etc., also is an approach. It can seem like a passive approach, to be sure, but sometimes quiet certainty is exactly what's needed.

 

[seeker]

Just another place to check, I noticed in the newsletter archives there is an article on this hex that might be helpful.

 

[sbd]

Excellent suggestions and advice. I'm enjoying my recent realization that even when I as a question about a situation, or about others, that my answers more often than not relate to ME, and this is how they should/could be interpreted.

Bradford, gathering together myself is just as appropriate advice as gathering "us" together. Seeker, remembering to have faith (confidence) in myself is just as important as sharing faith with the other, and Calumet, even gathering together my inner experience and having faith in all that I am inside is related here.

Good thinking.

Of course, sometimes Yi does give stright advice that is direct to a situation being asked about. But in this case, I see how my question about "best approach" is not necessarily about outter action, as much as inner attitude.