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How lovely, Charly, Thank you!

Song suggestion for 46.2
"Make Your Own Kind of Music."
 

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46.3
Nine in the third place means:
One pushes upward into an empty city.

All obstructions that generally block progress fall away here, Things proceed with remarkable ease. Unhesitatingly one follows this road, in order to profit by one's success. Seen from without, everything seems to be in the best of order. However, no promise of good fortune is added. It is a question how long such unobstructed success can last. But it is wise not to yield to such misgivings, because they only inhibit one's power. Instead, the point is to profit by the propitiousness of the time.

There is no reason to hesitate.

This is a strong line in a strong place; it is moreover at the beginning of the upper nuclear trigram Chen, movement. Furthermore, before it are the undivided lines of the trigram K'un, as though empty and open, so that they offer no obstruction to progress. This easy progress might cause hesitation, but as it accords with the time, the main thing is to press forward and take advantage of the time.
-Wilhelm
 
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I originally interpreted this line to mean, "Go for it! " but after contemplation I think it means, "What's your hurry? Why rush to get somewhere before everybody else, or before the time is right?"
 
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46.3 - You have climbed through the lower branches of the tree, done all the hard work. Now spread your and wings and fly. It's time to make the big leap of faith. Jump, reap the fruits of your labours and make hay while the sun shines.

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Nah I think you both miss the point of 46.3. The whole point is its an 'empty' city, thats why theres no obstruction cos theres nothing there you or anyone else wants anyway.

This doesn't mean 'go for it' it means theres nothing to stop you going for it but when you get there theres nothing there anyway.

Speaking from lots of experience with this one....like finding it easy to get someplace but arrving and finding noone else there...literally empty places sometimes.
 

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I guess I'm getting the Don't Rush message from this line because I'm always feeling I should post something here every day and that I ought to keep moving forward to the next line even if there hasn't been much activity with the previous one and lately I feel I've been too far ahead of myself, that is, I feel I've lost the sense of this being a continuing story of the soul progressing from hexagram 1 to this point in a connected fashion. I feel I need to go back to square one and review the Memorizing threads from the beginning. I especially feel this way when I look at the lines coming up. My gosh, we're almost to hexagram 50, which I think is going to be a time when we see our future and what we came to the planet in this lifetime to do - so I really want to be prepared as I assume the stronger the foundation the clearer the vision. But even before we get to 50, just look at what line 46.4 holds in store, if we're able to see it. Hail, hail, the gang's all here! So that's where I'm coming from. I'm seeing 46.3 as saying don't rush on your way to 46.4, or all you'll see is an empty city, you wont be able to see the Masters on the higher vibration. But as you say, trojan, you've gotten this line at various times when it wasn't saying anything about being spiritually prepared or getting ahead of yourself, it was telling you you were literally coming into an empty city and I do agree with that as a valid interpretation.
I wonder how this fits as the next step from 46.1 and 46.2?
 
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Overkill of momentum, I think, is the theme here.

46.3 is like when you're climbing stairs and reach the top, but you think there's yet one more stair, and try to step up onto thin air.

Or when you go to push a heavy door open, and someone opens it from the other side, and you go flying through like superman.
 

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When the Zhou entered the Shang capital, expecting lots of resistance, the king was dead, had killed himself, and probably lots of the people around him had run. Not sure where I got this, hope I am correct. But the city was empty.

"In later literature the Shang capital after the Conquest became known as 'Yinxu, the ruins of Yin" , but usually the character for ruins means empty.
The empty capital, the abandoned ruins of Dayi Shang, 'Great City Shang'
(from The Mandate of Heaven by Steve Marshall)

Line changes to hex. 7, the army. Makes sense together.

LiSe
 

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I think there will be a quantum leap in the understanding of what time is this fall as Pluto leaves Sagittarius the sign of Truth and enters Capricorn the sign that rules Time.

We will probably have some increase in earthquake activity, earth changes too along with this. Remembering how the Sumatran earthquake Christmas 2k6 actually changed the length of our day - not sure by how much - but it did affect the length of our daily spin due to the alteration in the earths crust.
 

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Interesting idea. I always like to expand the meanings of hexagrams into natural phoenomena. did I spell that word correctly? Lately we have been working on hurricane prediction at Midaughters with Hexagram 28 (instability) and 49 (changing direction of the eye of the storm) Bradford gave us this idea as there is historical hexagram interpretation concerning Hexagram 49.
 

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In personal terms Hexagram 43 to me means pushing upwards by one's own efforts and the outcome looks sucessful in lines 4 and 5 especially.
 

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With hex 46 I remember Roberto Assagioli, an Italian psychiatrist whom developed a method called "psychosynthesis". He learned to work with the will. Not the will from a stubborn toddler, but the will from an adult with limited resources. Carefull sensing inward and skillful going outward so to say, not spoiling energy, but gradually building up in time. One of his best known books is "the act of will" try for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Assagioli to find some readings.
 

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wILL READ SOME EXCERPTS, SOUNDS LIKE FUN. SOMETIMES I THINK WE COULD EFFECTIVELY ANNOTATE THE I CHING WITH SUGGESTED READINGS
 

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yes, Middaughter, I would love that. That would be usefull for the serious student.

Last saturday I drew a siggn for the day: 46-3.
I went on my bysicle to the nearby town for the library. There was a "fun" market in town. Many people, and it felt so incredible empty and useless. It was 46-3, including that strange feeling of no sense. Not that senselessness or emptyness as in buddhism, real emptyness, no mind.
 

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Thanks, jilt, I'm going to check that 'psychosynthesis' link out.

I bought a book yrs ago by (author claims 'received by') Ceanne DeRohan (prol a pen name) by Four Winds publications called Right Use of Will: Healing and Evolving the Emotional Body

There are some wonderful insights in it, about addressing the outward approach with release of crystallized judgements we carry, which can thwart the will. There's a lot of other stuff in it that's a little beyond me in terms of fantasy, but I use it as illustrative.
Overall , it's a good mix and for my mind has traces of yoga meditation technique interlaced.
The will does seem pretty attached to the ego - which is another topic unto its self - no pun intended really.
 

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Cool, the city's not so empty. Let us proceed to the halls of the ancestors....
 

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46.4
The king offers him Mount Ch'i.
Good fortune. No blame.
 

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what do you think he's really offering him when he offers him 'mount chi' ?
 

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I guess he rather offers at (or on) Mount Qi?

LiSe
 

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:rofl: yes I guess there is quite a difference between offering him the mountain or making an offering on the mountain. Wilhlem makes it appear he gives him a mountain.
 

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My sister and I are trying to figure out how best to care for Mom who is requiring more personal attention than she is getting at the Assisted Living Senior Residence she is living in now. Yesterday I suggested Mom could live with us here on Mount Hood. The idea was that we would try it but if it didn't work out there would be "No blame." I don't think we'll do this, but for our study here I take this as meaning 46.4 means literally offering the mountain.
 

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Individual Effort

My own idea of this came from Ni Hua Ching's commentary on this hexagram found in his Book of Changes and the Unchanging Truth. I find that his commentaries often illuminate what WB seems to be hinting at (or at least some times the text is somewhat obscure)
 

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Mount Ch'i is in western China, the homeland of King Wen, whose son, the Duke of Chow, added the words to the individual lines. The pronouncement takes us back to a time when the Chou dynasty was coming into power. At that time King Wen introduced his illustrious helpers to the god of his native mountain, and they received their places in in the halls of the ancestors by the side of the ruler. This indicates a stage in which pushing upward attains its goal. One acquires fame in the sight of gods and men, is received into the circle of those who foster the spiritual life of the nation, and thereby attains a significance that endures beyond time.
-Wilhelm
 

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what do you think he's really offering him when he offers him 'mount chi' ?
Trojan:

As by Wilhelm the Zhou kings actually offered his own sacred mountain, the protection and recgnition of the Zhou gods / ancestors.

But it's not what the chinese text says:

王wang2: king
用yong4: to use / to apply
亨heng1: sacrifice / feast // prosperous
于yu2: at / to
岐qi2: divergent /
山shan1: mountain / hill/

吉ji2: lucky

无wu2: without / not / no
咎jiu4: blame / mistake

[The] King uses to sacrifice at QiShan
Lucky. No wrong.​

QiShan is of course the sacred Zhou mountain, the mountain where Zhou kings used to do his royal sacrifice. A rite reserved only for Kings.

Rutt translates QiShan as «Twin Peaks», maybe somebody has a picture of the mountain.

To offer the mountain or to offer the sacrifice is a portent, something only for kings.
If we are kings → lucky, and if not?

If we aren't kings maybe it means to do something like a king, with high style. To do the «sacrifice» like a king. Lucky. And NO BAD!

«Sacrifice» is a festive occasion, no need to be suffering, painful nor frightful.

I'm wondering if «Twin Peaks» means something from the point of view of the topography of the human body.

yours,

Charly
 
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I'm wondering if «Twin Peaks» means something from the point of view of the topography of the human body.

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"The king offers him Mount Ch'i" This is the way of the devoted.

This is a weak line in a weak place. It stands at the top of the trigram Tui, which means the West, and so may suggest Mount Ch'i. The king is the six in the fifth place; the present line represents the minister. The king is like-minded, and therefore makes it possible for him to work effectively.
-Wilhelm
 

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"The king offers him Mount Ch'i" This is the way of the devoted... The king is like-minded, and therefore makes it possible for him to work effectively.
-Wilhelm
Ros:

For knowing what did the King make it's good to know what the King is:

For Wilhelm the King is:
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. like minded
. effective worker
. good-hearted ?

Did all the chinese see the King under so favorable light? I'm not sure.

For a comparative approach I look for how was described a King, Agamenon, in the Iliad, another document from the bronze age (1):

Agamenon:
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. Atrida
. son of ... Atreo
. king of men
. the most greedy (2)
. fiery
. dog's eyes and deer's heart (3)
. shepherd of men
. horsebreaker
. with great power

Not all the concepts are positive.

Yours,

Charly


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(1) Quoted without order, refeences assap.
(2) Coveting the Achilles slave girl.
(3) Say ugly but coward.
 

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e: Mt Qi and the Zhou Mandate, Red Bird

Re: Mt Qi and the Zhou Mandate, Red Bird vs Pheasant more of the South

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>
> The king who waited for a sign
>
> At the lunar eclipse in 1065 BCE, Ji Fa (Zhou Wenwang, better known in
> the West as King Wen) wrote to his sons from his prison cell. He was
> expecting a signal from the heavens that Zhou would rule instead of
> Shang. It was the same signal his father (Ji Li) had been expecting.
> The eclipse gave King Wen hope that it would occur in his lifetime.
>
> Zhou astronomers knew that there would be another conjunction of the
> five major planets. To the Chinese, these conjunctions indicated a
> shift in the fortunes of those on Earth. One of these conjunctions
> started the Chinese calendar. Another signaled the ascendance of the
> Xia at the time of Yu. A later conjunction heralded the end of Xia and
> the start of Shang. That was nearly a thousand years before Wen's
> time. The impending conjunction was going to elevate the Zhou.
>
> Is it just a coincidence that King Wen was imprisoned in 1068 BCE, the
> same year that a new Shang calendar was established? Perhaps Wenwang
> pointed out some flaws in the calendar, or the newfangled rituals that
> accompanied it; and that's what prompted the king to throw him in
prison.1
>
> Challenging the accuracy of a calendar was a form of treason in those
> days. It's a wonder Wenwang wasn't beheaded. After all, he and his
> father expected a change in the Mandate.
>
> There must have been flaws, because the new calendar apparently failed
> to account for the lunar eclipse. It was the eclipse that prompted the
> happy letter from Wenwang to his sons.
>
> Without an accurate calendar, King Di Xin would lose the confidence of
> the people. According to the Shujing and other sources, the king and
> his ministers seemed oblivious that Shangdi had turned against him.
>
> The correct orientation of any consecrated space, the scheduling
> of religious ceremonies, and the proper conduct of seasonal
> occupations all depended on the king. The ability to comprehend the
> celestial patterns (e.g., seasonal constellations) and to maintain
> conformity between astral and terrestrial realms became a fundamental
> qualification for kingship.2
>
> This crisis echoed the changing of the Mandate from the Xia to the
> Shang in the Shujing:
>
> [Xia hereditary astronomers] … have violated the duties of their
> office, and left their posts. They have been the first to let the
> regulating of the heavenly (bodies) get into disorder, putting far
> from them their proper business. On the first day of the last month of
> autumn, the sun and moon did not meet harmoniously in [xiu] Fang. [The
> astronomers] heard nothing and knew nothing — so stupidly went they
> astray (from their duties) in the matter of the heavenly appearances,
> and rendered themselves liable to the death appointed by the former
kings.
>
> What does a Mandate look like?
>
> The Zhou rejoiced in 1062 BCE when King Wen was released from prison.
> The Mandate appeared on 28 May 1059 BCE. Wenwang named 1058 BCE as the
> year when Heaven's Mandate was entrusted to the Zhou, and proclaimed
> himself universal king.
>
> Mozi explained how the Mandate appeared:
>
> A red bird holding a gui by its beak alighted on Mt. Qi,
> proclaiming: "Heaven decrees King Wen of Zhou to punish Yin and
> possess its empire."

>
> — Book 5, Chapter 19 Probably the Book of History
>
>

Personally I believe that with some 4,000 astronomers, diviners, and
> other soothsayers King Wen knew that he would die before the mandate
> passed to Zhou. I believe the sign for death would have been the
> eclipse that occurred while he was still in prison.(there are 3 solar eclipses around this time, all partial) but
> I could not say which one. I think the 4 sons and the heir apparent
> simply turned every celestial sign into the Mandate much like Bush
> appearing in front of the Victory Banner to announce 'victory' in
> Iraq. If the Zhou didn't know King Wen was going to die, they would
> have been really stupid and I don't think that is the case.
>
> The Zhou sons after the battle of Mu fought with each other
> (including the Duke of Zhou who is credited with writing much of the
> Zhouyi)for 5 years eventually the young regent assumed the kingship
> and left the Duke of Zhou who had been his protector and guide and who
> ultimately betrayed him in a grab for power. I think it could have ben
> a great power move by the other 3 sons, each who had armies to take
> the Duke of Zhou out of the field of battlet and on the sidelines
> babysitting this young regent. Eventually the capital was moved
> eastwards while the Duke of Zhou remained in the old western capital.
> there is debate now as to exactly where this western city was.
> The red bird thereafter became the symbol of the south. Prior to the
> Zhou the bird had been the pheasant. I was excited to see the feather
> of pheasants in graves of the apparently Caucasian mummies of the
> Taklamakan desert. For me the pheasant would be the symbol of the south.
>







 
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This is a really appropriate thread for a personal situation I am experiencing at the moment. Lots of personal change and a bit of associated pain. It also seemed appropriate that after quite a few months of not visiting Clarity that when I do pop in again Rosada has started the 46 thread.
So for me I'm looking at 46 now as about ascending through yor own efforts i.e some sort of personal maturing process that you take ownership of. Then to follow the flow up through the hexagram , if 46.3 is having learnt something about yourself (you've had a eureka moment about the inner workings of your sub personalities and all the associated ego stuff) and seen the emptiness of your previous behaviour patterns and how they have manifested themselves in your life (your city) then 46.4 represents how you step beyond this moment into your embryonic new outer life. How you make the sacrifice (change you ways - Agamemnon hands over part of himself to a new owner) and attempt to manifest this new part of you in your life. This part of you is not very strong yet ( "This is a weak line in a weak place." )but the act of trying to grow which is now supported by the king ( "The king is like-minded, and therefore makes it possible for him to work effectively) will bring you a new maturity on some level (good fortune) and because of the innocence of the new born there is no blame in what ever you do.

This may be a very narrow personal take but I like the flow of it. It works well for me at the moment and I just wanted to share. Thank you all.

Take Care

Mike
 

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