47.2.4 > 8 Joining Change Circle

[Retro158]

I have been considering subscribing to the Change Circle for some time. Today, I thought I'd ask 'How beneficial will it be to subscribe?" The result has me rather confused:

47.2.4 >, 8

On first look, 47 seems discouraging, Confined/Oppression/Restriction. Line 2 speaks of 'scarlet sashes coming from all directions' with suggestions aid is 'on its way.' However, Hilary's version of line 2 seems less encouraging with the last line being "If it seems you are being offered the chance to set your world to rights - however much it may need setting to rights - do not take it." ?? Line 4 suggests potential 'embarrassment' and 'awkwardness', but with eventual success.

This cast seems to speak to my overall situation, and reiterates 47.2 that I got back in April in response to asking 'How can I best find a new job?" (I'm still looking.), but I'm not sure how to interpret it regarding subscribing to Change Circle.

I had hoped the Change Circle might be a good resource and help me access more guidance, but am unsure following this reading - though hexagram 8 does speak to the value of groups and finding one's place. Perhaps this current cast is highlighting my own situation and my slow process of getting to the group?

Anyway, thanks for considering this and any perspectives you may want to share.

 

[Trojina]

I had hoped the Change Circle might be a good resource and help me access more guidance,

It's packed with resources no reading can deny that.

47 is usually self oppression, in fact only yesterday I put a quote of Bradford Hatcher's on 47.4 in wikiwing, let me find it, here it is

From Bradford in a 2005 forum thread

"I think Wilhelm misunderstands 47.4. What's slowing him down in his gilded chariot is himself - his state of mind has him driving with the brakes on instead of letting go, fighting his own momentum. Most of 47 is caricature of depressive states seeking rest or respite but refusing to lighten up."

So in 47 you're often in a state of self imposed gloom and isolation. I mean it's not always self imposed, you may be restrained by other things such as money but overall you are counselled to really follow through, not give up hope even in hard times.

I agree with Bradford the lines in 47 are fairly tongue in cheek. One feels oppressed in line 2, there's some sense of needing to appease or not having quite enough to appease.

On first look, 47 seems discouraging, Confined/Oppression/Restriction. Line 2 speaks of 'scarlet sashes coming from all directions' with suggestions aid is 'on its way.' However, Hilary's version of line 2 seems less encouraging with the last line being "If it seems you are being offered the chance to set your world to rights - however much it may need setting to rights - do not take it." ?? Line 4 suggests potential 'embarrassment' and 'awkwardness', but with eventual success.

Probably Hilary wouldn't be so happy you went straight to a commentary rather than read the line itself. This is because all commentaries cannot help but limit meaning. I don't think the bit of commentary you quoted is something you need to latch onto too much.


Also you have 8 as relating. This is to do with joining...and the 47 and lines your doubts and slowness about going forward.

I wonder if you feel you'd have to 'make an entrance' to join, you know explain who you are and everything and that's where that sense of needing appease comes in ? You really don't have to do that, you can just join and use it and post when you want. Included in the price are half hour sessions with Hilary if you want them and there are Zoom gatherings etc but you don't have to take part. There are also of course many mini courses on all sort of things you can go through at your own speed and there's a Yi Academy to discuss anything that crops up with regard to the courses. Oh and of course the Foundations Course is available there, you can go through that at your own speed, included in the price.. I think there's an actual class done by Zoom/forum etc for the Foundations starting soon though that costs extra I think.



I think there are trial periods still on offer if you are unsure. I think you could just pay a month at a time and leave when you want. Worth checking with Hilary. I can't see you'd have anything to lose by joining and of course it includes Wikiwing which is a very good growing resource created by members here and Hilary of course.


Oh your change patterns are 40 and 37, these are the hexagrams the change lines alone make when made all yang and all yin. You came to the question needing a quick release from the oppressive state of 47 and that release here gives you room to come into the home (37) find a roof to learn under. I'd definitely say CC was a 'roof to learn under'. With that and the 8 urging you to join without too much deliberation I think your answer is a 'go for it' but feel out your hesitations first and ask yourself if those hesitations are real enough to hold you back.

 

[Retro158]

Trojan,
I appreciate your detailed reply for, as you point out, a relatively low risk investment. My hesitancy is partly out of being frugal, since I've been out of work this last year, but also from a concern that more involvement/study could create more confusion in my life, i.e. amplify a tendency to overthinking. As I say that, and think of hexagram 8, I realize the group could probably be helpful in balancing my own perspectives.

I'm not familiar with 'change patterns' that you reference and am curious to know more. Is there more on this you can point me to on the website?

Thank you again.

 

[dfreed]

Have been considering subscribing to the Change Circle. Today, I asked 'How beneficial will it be to subscribe?" Result - 47.2.4 >, 8

Setting the Yi's response aside for a moment, I believe you can join and leave CC anytime you like, is that right? If so, you might consider joining up and checking it out.

And the Yi's response:

47.2 ... An attack will bring misfortune .... (but then) No harm will come.
47.4 He comes (df - or he starts out?) slowly, distressed by a bronze carriage ....(but then) There will be an end to regret. (trans. S. Field)

So, here is advice to not approach CC with an aggressive attitude, nor think of it in too fancy a way (a 'bronze carriage'), but in a practical, down-to-earth way. And/or: a bit of a rough start, but then 'no harm, and an end to regret'. Some titles for Hex. 8 are Alliance and Belonging.

Sound promising to me.

 

[Trojina]

I'm not familiar with 'change patterns' that you reference and am curious to know more. Is there more on this you can point me to on the website?

There's a mini course on them in change circle but to find they aren't complicated. Make all your change lines yang and rest yin to get the yang change pattern. Make all your change lines yin and the rest yang to get your yin change pattern. Soon you will automatically see the pattern in the cast hexagram just by glancing at it. You'll see all answers with the bottom line changing have a 24 yang pattern and a 44 yin pattern. All answers with only line 2 changing have a 7 yang pattern and a 13 yin pattern and so on.


What to do with these is a matter of opinion. I think Karcher saw them as like doors in and out of the reading with the yin pattern being the 'way through'. I see them as descriptive of what bought you to ask the question but it's not possible to fix how to use their meaning at this point so it can just help to notice them. You don't need to use them at all, the primary, lines and relating hexagram are your answer and that's enough so they are an additional dimension should you choose to notice them. They seem useful for multiple line changes also.