47.2>45 Teacher, Spiritual Adviser????

[harvestmoon]

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[ginnie]

I think the person who comes to the table is not a teacher or spiritual adviser. They are a "royal garment," or highly placed individual who may be superior to us, and we must bow down to them. On the positive side, they may help us out.

By the way, what question did you ask? It would be helpful if you could provide a little background, too.

 

[harvestmoon]

I asked what is this person's purpose in my life. I have asked twice in the last 6 months and each reading the resulting hexagram was 45. I can't remember the original hexagrams. I felt like he was suppose to be a teacher of some kind to me, but he doesn't work with women. I have to acquire any insight or wisdom from seeing him speak every week in a group setting.

This person and I have interacted before we met in this group setting over the past 6 years whether seeing each other at the store or me waiting on this person at work (at two different jobs). I even dreamt of this person before we actually met. I wouldn't be where I am today if it hadn't been for this person pulling along. I was in bad shape mentally when I arrived at this group setting.

 

[sooo]

This person's purpose in your life is to help you get it together.

 

[sooo]

The trigram metaphor is interesting.
47's trigrams show water under lake: drought, dried up, exhausted.
45's trigrams show water filling lake.

 

[Trojina]

I asked what is this person's purpose in my life. I have asked twice in the last 6 months and each reading the resulting hexagram was 45. I can't remember the original hexagrams. I felt like he was suppose to be a teacher of some kind to me, but he doesn't work with women. I have to acquire any insight or wisdom from seeing him speak every week in a group setting.

This person and I have interacted before we met in this group setting over the past 6 years whether seeing each other at the store or me waiting on this person at work (at two different jobs). I even dreamt of this person before we actually met. I wouldn't be where I am today if it hadn't been for this person pulling along. I was in bad shape mentally when I arrived at this group setting.

I think you may be in danger of placing this person too much on a pedestal. Whilst they may have been/still be helpful to you at some ways, they can as easily, if you elevate them too much in your mind, oppress your inner sense of worthiness. This is just an official in red knee bands, don't mistake them for some great teacher. Whilst they may have something to teach that is important to you, take that for what it is. I wouldn't advise that you elevate them in your head to someone way above you in any sense.

 

[harvestmoon]

Thank you. I wondered if I was putting this person a pedestal. I finished reading "The Everyday Tao" by Deng Ming Dao and it talks occasionally about the Tao bringing us teachers. I would assume the I Ching is saying this is what it is?

 

[Trojina]

I see the lines as 47 as heavily tinged with a humorous mockery. I think I read this first from Bradford and then realised he had to be right. All that 'woe is me' and those important men in their red knee bands....must keep on the right side of the officials and all that....but what are they really ? Do they have any real authority ? Perhaps this man showed you something, an opening to another way of being, possibilities and so on. That's good, you can give and receive within that, but the line cautions against over zealous contributions....or projections I think. In trying to pin a role on him you can close communication off, that is if you think of him as so far above you it will make it harder to communicate with him


There are certainly other ways to see the line though .

I'm interested to hear others views as it seems to me this line rarely comes up in shared readings.

 

[Trojina]

I asked what is this person's purpose in my life.

Oh I haven't directly addressed your question as I don't personally believe in the belief behind the question, that people come into one's life for a purpose. They are there because they are there....not for any purpose for us IMO

 

[ginnie]

I'm interested to hear others views as it seems to me this line rarely comes up in shared readings.

47.2 is a type of tiredness brought on either by too much eating or by too much sitting. I remember a student once got this line: too much sitting and reading. Yet a higher-up of some kind comes and may give some help. This high-status person may just have a function within a small group -- maybe a position based on seniority or service. But that doesn't mean they are a more evolved sort of human being, just maybe more experienced -- or even older, so that one defers to them quite naturally.

 

[harvestmoon]

Trojan, I think you are right. I was reading to much into some of the coincidences. It maybe even a little arrogant to think a person is there for me. They are just there. Ginnie is right they are more experienced and older. It's possible that's just the gist of it.

 

[Trojina]

Well it's true that people appear to come along and be a catalyst for some kind of change etc...and there may well be purpose in that. I was just making some distance from the idea that there was this overall scheme or plan whereby he was preordained to come and teach you something. I think you can learn from him but probably with less speed, intensity, definition of role, than you envisage.

Also it is often so much easier to communicate freely with someone that you are not in awe of, someone you are just meeting on the level so to speak. It seems good to keep channels of free communication open with him.

Also I have noticed with the lines of 47 one can feel quite oppressed by a subtle sense of perhaps inferiority, being unable to speak freely, a sense of being blocked. This can feel all very heavy even when you like the person very much indeed. I feel the way through that sense of inferiority which can block communication, might be to sacrifice the projections etc for plain simple communication and in time it won't all feel so heavy. 47 can be a very subjective sense of inferiority or oppression, nothing to do with what the peron really thinks of you but what kind of feelings they engender in you. That's why I felt it's important you don't put him on a pedestal as that might mean the higher he goes in your eyes the lower you go and so on...and that would block communication