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48.2.4.5 to 62 "Why do I feel miserable?"

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I feel very bad with my life. I feel like I can only settle for crumbs. Every time I put effort into something, I stay halfway, I've tried therapy, I go to a psychiatrist and I take my treatment seriously. But I only have positive thoughts and a reality that hurts me and makes me feel bad, I can not live with positive thoughts, in the end they are just an illusion to deny the misery I feel inside.I Consult the i ching for this reason "Why do I feel miserable?"I got 48 mutating to 62. The mutant lines are 2.4 and 5. I can not understand what the I Ching is saying to me, if I am a broken cube that is missing the essential or if I have to continue to conform with illusory optimistic thoughts of a better future?
 

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I feel very bad with my life. I feel like I can only settle for crumbs. Every time I put effort into something, I stay halfway, I've tried therapy, I go to a psychiatrist and I take my treatment seriously. But I only have positive thoughts and a reality that hurts me and makes me feel bad, I can not live with positive thoughts, in the end they are just an illusion to deny the misery I feel inside.I Consult the i ching for this reason "Why do I feel miserable?"I got 48 mutating to 62. The mutant lines are 2.4 and 5. I can not understand what the I Ching is saying to me, if I am a broken cube that is missing the essential or if I have to continue to conform with illusory optimistic thoughts of a better future?


Hmm if you feel you can only 'settle for crumbs' consider you have not yet even given anycrumbs to a person who responded to your last query here https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...-transmutation-or-the-end-of-the-relationship

I'm not trying to make you feel so bad about that because unfortunately it's not an uncommon behaviour here but

...but I mean here it is slightly relevant to your question now because acknowledging what you have received automatically produces more flow, more exchange and that does sound terribly sanctimonious of me I know :eek:...but Well...perhaps you would go back to that thread and update it or say what you thought of the interpretation you got ?


You see the answer you have here, the Well, shows there is a never ending supply of water, of refreshment of joy for us in life but the problem we have sometimes is accessing it. Perhaps sometimes our jug leaks or breaks as it has for you in line 2 and nothing much can be drawn up except 'crumbs' as you say or sometimes the well cannot be drawn from because it is under some repair work as in line 4 but none of that actually can detract in the end from the fact there is a good pure source of water, refreshment and joy in line 5 to be had.


When you say you receive only crumbs, well that sounds just like line 2 where a person is only focusing on small gains for themselves, where much is wasted through a kind of myopic perspective on the well, what can be gained there and what it's for. It is often a line of wastage of frittering thoughts, time or energy.

You say each time you put effort into something you get only halfway and again that does sound like line 2 where the circle of exchange is not completed.


But line 4 does show a well under repair so I think there are changes going on with and in your life that kind of put you on hold where it seems nothing productive it happening but actually whilst you are 'under repair' you can't forge ahead you have to wait and get things mended. In the end you succeed in reaching the water in line 5.


Water of the well sounds such an apt metaphor for you because your whole tone sounds as if you were wandering parched in a desert, no joy, no water, no refreshment. This answer is reassurance both acknowledging that yes this isn't a happy time for you and also that it can be when the well is reached. And the well doesn't move, it's always there whether we can reach it or not. Perhaps consider what the well is for you ? For some it may be love for others or it may be a sense of connection to God or the cosmos or it may be that sense of your own internal supply of life and joy bubbling up. What is this well here for you and what will the clear water in line 5 you come to taste like or feel like ?


Also the positive thoughts issue does sound a bit like the lines here too. At first they just aren't going very deep, they seem superficial but actually maybe on some level there is a repair going on (line 4) if you stay with it. People cannot get into better ways of thinking overnight, there's likely years of negative input there for example but little by little (62) if you just keep on keeping on in a quiet way I think you will surely find more joy in life.


So the 62 here I think is advising you simply cannot expect to make a sudden fantastic recovery, it's not like that. This takes small efforts, some courage, some modesty of ambition, humility to accomplish. Little things.


So this is a great answer for you at this time. It is encouraging I think for you to keep on with those small changes maybe just turning little depressing thoughts around, repairing your well and then you will drink the clear water from it :) You will and can, line 5 says so.
 

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Agreeing with all the above plus a few more thoughts..

48.2 suggests to me a sense of being disconnected from Source. This line describes the main reason you are feeling low. It could be saying you need to be surrounded with people or things that support a feeling of being connected. It might be saying you are not using your gifts, talents, time and energy appropriately or perhaps you need to change your diet, cut out meat and take vitamins and herbs. But the main problem is you do not feel connected.

48.4 sounds like you are doing something right in your efforts to improve but it may also mean you are sabotaging yourself by thinking something has to be fixed before you can feel good - like thinking "when I lose five pounds, then I'll be happy."

48.5 also sounds like it is possible for you to be happy right now. The line hints that sharing good feelings will augment your supply.

62. Attention to Detail. This is one of the very last hexagrams and points to the importance of completing things in an orderly fashion and in your case I think as Trogina has pointed out above, it refers to acknowledging the good things that do come into ones' life whether it's as tiny a detail as pushing the Thanks button when someone replies to your post or saying your prayers of gratitude before going to sleep at night - somehow there seems to be a need for you to find a way to feel that you are not just abandoning projects - and thus creating a sense of guilt and self recrimination - but have brought them to a proper sense of completion.
Right now you may be thinking such gestures might be too small to amount to anything but lining the well, small things add up.
 

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Im sorry fot not replaing my last shared reading, but I have not seen that publication again because it causes me pain to remember that situation.Yesterday I had to attend a psychiatric guard because of a crisis. I have been recommended to be calm and I have been prescribed more pills. The main problem is still, I can not do almost anything. They have even forbidden me to go back to university. The source of nutrition, at least as I see it, is to be able to feel that I have a will and not that I am a slave to circumstances. I understand that I must continue with the treatment and do what I have been ordered, but I feel that even doing what supposedly does me good, in the end I end up backing down. Each time my will is more impoverished, diminished, because there are prohibitions that will do me good (in theory). I can not be alone at home anymore, they control me and they watch me, it's not like I've tried to hurt myself, I just had a crisis where I cry and release all my frustration and impotence.The iching has told me to improve little by little, although now the picture looks darker than yesterday. The thing is, I do not know how I'll get better if I can not even feel bad, because that means more pills. My will is tied, my mobility controlled, my feelings are strictly monitored. My hope is that the iching is right and can really improve, because it seems that improving depends on other people, health professionals, who have power over me at this time.Thanks to all of you for taking the time of reading me and for gimme your interpretations
 

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You might get value from asking for specific guidance for improving. Like, "What should be my attitude towards my current state?" or "What should I focus on to lift my spirits today?" Asking, "Why am I so miserable?" sets you up to see all that is negative. I wonder what you'd get if you asked, "Why am I so joyful?"!
 

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Further thoughts -
I wonder if you would be willing to try an experiment. I have heard that simply focusing on positive words can elevate one's mood. I've tried this myself and I think I've seen positive change so I'm wondering if it would work for you. What you do is you go through the alphabet and come up with one positive word for each letter such as..
A - Amazing!
B - Beautiful
C - Clever
D - Delightful
E - Enthusiastic... and so forth.

Even better, write the words down. Don't just stop and one round, write as many positive words as you can think of. Then watch, in two to twenty minutes you should recognize a real shift in your feelings and also possibly something good coming in from the outer world.

Please let me know if you try this and the positive results you experience!

Best wishes!
 

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Yesterday I had to attend a psychiatric guard because of a crisis. I have been recommended to be calm and I have been prescribed more pills. The main problem is still, I can not do almost anything. They have even forbidden me to go back to university.

So you are sadly currently suffering with a debilitating mental health condition. A bit of positive thinking alone really isn't enough in such a situation though it can help a little which I guess is why it's part of your treatment, maybe cognitive behaviour therapy ? but not all of your treatment, you have medication and a psychiatrist.


The source of nutrition, at least as I see it, is to be able to feel that I have a will and not that I am a slave to circumstances

Yes but when one is ill, and it seems you are ill enough to be seeing a psychiatrist, not a counsellor, then it may not help much to castigate yourself for not thinking positive enough and all that. Probably more helpful to acknowledge 'yes right now I am ill, maybe I can't make huge efforts, just little things, (62).

It's just I don't want to minimalize this as if you were simply a little depressed.

I understand that I must continue with the treatment and do what I have been ordered, but I feel that even doing what supposedly does me good, in the end I end up backing down. Each time my will is more impoverished, diminished, because there are prohibitions that will do me good (in theory). I can not be alone at home anymore, they control me and they watch me, it's not like I've tried to hurt myself, I just had a crisis where I cry and release all my frustration and impotence.The iching has told me to improve little by little, although now the picture looks darker than yesterday. The thing is, I do not know how I'll get better if I can not even feel bad, because that means more pills. My will is tied, my mobility controlled, my feelings are strictly monitored. My hope is that the iching is right and can really improve, because it seems that improving depends on other people, health professionals, who have power over me at this time.Thanks to all of you for taking the time of reading me and for gimme your interpretations


Well it appears from the reading you can improve yes but it may take some patience and also some acceptance of the pace of things. The small bird in 62 can't fly too high, must be careful, take care in how he proceeds.

As long as we are alive things can change. I Ching is the book of change and I think it has spoken to you about some improvement and recovery so hang on in there.
 

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Alright, this is my first advice post so bear with me, I'm not even sure if I can be helpful as I am not very experienced in interpreting for others.First of all, I am no psychiatrist and I'm sure expert guidance is best follow in this case, but I feel like what I've just read here looks a lot like a depressive episode. Having said that, and being able to relate to the feelings of helplessness and lack of any confidence whatsoever and everything that comes with depression (if this is the diagnosis), I would urge you to try and look at the situation as if you have the flu and need to just take it easy for some time until you recover. I have found that accepting what you're going through on a mental level for what it is, an illness that will, at some point, subside if you take good care of yourself is really helpful.I am sure that you yourself already know what is good for you, what is very difficult usually, is just getting yourself to actually take the steps that will make you feel better. One approach would be, in this case, to just allow yourself to feel bad for a time --as you would with the flu.I think this is what your reading points to as well. You have the resources to move on, as does the well. You, however, need to take your time as, right now, even though you possess good qualities, you have a broken jug, you are hurting and, when you're hurting, you, obviously, cannot reach for the stars. Don't demand too much of yourself right now, take care in lining the well. Don't think about long term goals, take one step at a time, one day at a time so that things don't become overwhelming. That is how you line a well. You do the work day to day, and one day the work is done. This is related to hex 62, I think, that urges you not to try to fly too high. Remain below.I find your reading particularly favourable, the well will, eventually, be lined and have clean water --you will mend.Cheers :)
 

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Today I allowed myself to feel bad, accept the feeling of impotence. I will not lie, it is not easy or pleasant to be in this situation. I will try to ask the questions that have recommended me and then upload the answers. You deserve to know the answers that I ching will give me. I do not know anyone from this community and your comments have uplifted me, thank you from my heart.Thanks Rosada I'm going to try and I'll tell you how it was with that experiment
 

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I Make another inquiry to the I Ching, I ask "What should I focus on to improve my situation?" In response, I had 32.5. and this line has really confused meSix in the fifth place means:Giving duration to one's character through perseverance.This is good fortune for a woman, misfortune for a man.A woman should follow a man her whole life long, but a man should at all times hold to what is his duty at the given moment. Should he persistently seek to conform to the woman, it would be a mistake for him. Accordingly it is altogether right for a woman to hold conservatively to tradition, but a man must always be flexible and adaptable and allow himself to be guided solely by what his duty requires of him at the moment.I'm trying to understand what the I Ching is telling me. I think the book is telling me that I must be receptive (Let me guide as a woman) and then be active (Act with the duty of man) But still not clear to me.
 

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I Make another inquiry to the I Ching, I ask "What should I focus on to improve my situation?" In response, I had 32.5. and this line has really confused meSix in the fifth place means:Giving duration to one's character through perseverance.This is good fortune for a woman, misfortune for a man.A woman should follow a man her whole life long, but a man should at all times hold to what is his duty at the given moment. Should he persistently seek to conform to the woman, it would be a mistake for him. Accordingly it is altogether right for a woman to hold conservatively to tradition, but a man must always be flexible and adaptable and allow himself to be guided solely by what his duty requires of him at the moment.I'm trying to understand what the I Ching is telling me. I think the book is telling me that I must be receptive (Let me guide as a woman) and then be active (Act with the duty of man) But still not clear to me.


Just a note to be be aware that what you quote is not the I Ching, not the words of the I Ching not a translation of the words of the I Ching, it's a commentary, Wilhelm's commentary to be precise.


A commentary is simply someone's ideas about what the actual translation might mean. These can be helpful or they can be misleading if you adhere too closely to them. For example this line does not say that a woman should follow a man her whole life long or any of that which you quoted really.

It says using Hilary's translation


'Lasting in your character with constancy.
For the mature woman, good fortune.
For the young man pitfall'

Wilhelm's translation is

'Giving duration to one's character through perseverance.
This is good fortune for a woman, misfortune for a man.'


Bradford Hatcher's translation is

'To continue in one's character means persistence.
For a woman of maturity promising
For a man in youth disappointment'



It's not an easy line to apply and people have quite different ideas about it's meaning. Broadly speaking it seems to me, considering both Hilary's and Bradford's commentary on the line, this is to do with adapting how you behave in order to achieve continuity.


At times one might be like a mature woman looking to settle into traditional ways and at other times a young man who is looking for adventure and new ways.


Of course these are very broad stereotypes given there are older women looking for adventure and there are young men who want to settle into traditional lifestyles...but the point here I think is not to get too fixed into either role as it were. You have to decide which you are, which to be.


Actually reading Bradford's translation it looks to me like it's saying persistence in character is palatable and natural for a mature woman and far less so for a young man. Which are you ? Taking it quite literally, I have the idea you are actually a young man (I may be wrong) and I wonder if here it is saying that in answer to your question of what to focus on to improve your situation that what you need to focus on is gaining continuity of character through steady persistence which might not come at all easily for a young man who wants to be out in life experimenting with ways to be. You can't quite afford the experimentation right now because you are ill and so have to settle down like the mature lady. If you can settle down a bit then the situation is promising but if you aim to live more experimentally as a young man might, trying different things and so on then that is difficult, it can't work at the moment.


So I am personally inclined to see this as 'You naturally want to live as a young man (as you are one ?) out in the world trying all kinds of things, changing his character in each new situation and so on BUT right now you are better off following the example of more settled older ladies whose life is already quite embedded in a direction.


Bradford's commentary doesn't say that it's more to do with changing roles in order to continue. You can reach his translation by clicking the link in his signature.


So this is a line open to all kinds of interpretation but here it's clear you aren't in a position to be like the young man because you aren't well enough and are in quite a fragile state at the moment. For you a settled life where you try to develop some kind of continuity of character seems more of a focus. I don't think this line for you is encouraging experimentation or restlessness. I think it suggests you aim to settle peacefully with what you have in this situation which does follow your own interpretation I guess especially since it seems there is this treatment plan in place for you where you don't have a huge amount of autonomy.
 

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32.5 is giving you advice on how to keep on keeping on. I believe it is encouraging you to be adaptable. "The mature woman" knows what is working and continues to do it. "The man in youth" does not know however, so to numbly repeating old patterns would be a mistake. Together these lines lead to 28. Great Overstepping, so there is the warning that while it is appropriate to try new things, one must be careful not to go too far out on a limb. Together I think you are being encouraged that your present course of action is fundamentally sound but that you should not just passively wait to be "cured". Stay alert and involved and recognize how your thoughts and actions are creating your life and success.
 

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Further thoughts - I can see 32.5 as saying that as you review your past, if you are comfortable with your memories, that is, if you feel the way you have perceived things is accurate and appropriate, this is good, however if "the old woman" in your head keeps replaying negatives then this is preventing you from moving forward and is disastrous for "the young man"!
 

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Hello, I was this last week following the treatment. I was trying to stick to what is necessary to be well. I do not feel WOW, but I feel better than a few weeks ago. The last message of the I Ching was very cryptic, so just try to flow as I could. For those who asked, I am a young man, but I have been acting more like an old woman. Thank you for helping me and listening to me in my moments of greatest weakness. My regards!
 

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If you look at the trigrams you will see that 32. Duration is made up of Wind below and Thunder above, two very disruptive influences so the hexagram is about how to stay on course through all the changes life throws at us. The bottom hexagram has to do with the earth plane while the upper trigram rules the spirit world. The fifth line is in the middle of the upper trigram so the fifth line is always about how to stay centered on the spirit plane in the situation described by the whole hexagram. Thus 32.5 is about how to keep your spirit centered through all the ups and downs of life on earth. It advises if you are sure of your course, then stick with it. For example if you have vowed to stay on a diet this line would encourage you to not get distracted. On the other hand, if you are not certain of your goals then this line would advise not staying with some stale schedule but to get out and explore and be flexible. I think in your case you are being advised not to assume that because you have had frustrations in the past you will continue to be held back in the future. I think you are being advised to be flexible and to focus on trying new things.
 

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I didn't realize I had already responded to your questions about 32.5 and so posted again - is that Duration?? LOL! Anyway, thanks for the update and best wishes for you continued good humor!
 

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