49. Ko / Revolution (Molting)

[meng]

I can see the things you've both mentioned. Likewise, my first thought was to consider the nature of their trigrams, which to me seem more violent and conflicting in 49. But I have second thoughts about that, considering some of the less-than-gentle 23's I've experienced.

Would a tree losing its leaves in autumn be a 23 or a 49, and why?

 

[maremaria]

Would a tree losing its leaves in autumn be a 23 or a 49, and why?

First answer would be 49, seasonal change. Things go from one stage to other smoothly.

But can be also 23 ? have to think about it.

 

[meng]

Here are differences that I see.

49 is directly related to timing (Ti Ming) and is a result of conflicting forces reaching a climax (conflicting seasons). So, losing leaves in autumn is 49. Also, there is always a plan to replace whatever is shed, when the time is right for that part of the cycle.

While 23 may result in regeneration (i.e. pruning a rosebush), its purpose is to not only remove the outer, but to uncover the inner. My questions here are 23, not 49. Although it is possible to result in 49.

That this thread will end, to make room for 50, is 49.

 

[frank_r]

Here are differences that I see.

49 is directly related to timing (Ti Ming) and is a result of conflicting forces reaching a climax (conflicting seasons). So, losing leaves in autumn is 49. Also, there is always a plan to replace whatever is shed, when the time is right for that part of the cycle.

While 23 may result in regeneration (i.e. pruning a rosebush), its purpose is to not only remove the outer, but to uncover the inner. My questions here are 23, not 49. Although it is possible to result in 49.

That this thread will end, to make room for 50, is 49.

Hello Bruce,

Interesting I always related 23 to autumn. 23 is one of The bigua or 'sovereign hexagrams'
23 is also the hexagram being part of the Chinese clock the time from 7 till 9 in the evening. Wilhelm writes in his book the months oktober-november. Time of Scorpion.The sign of death, leaving things behind. So also losing leaves. Time of the Bardo, the space where the spirit stays between life and death. Especially the 6th line where the spirit is going back to the TAO, or where the power of life is hidden in the seed the stage after losing the leaves.

49 is for me in a very strong relation with 48, the well where the energy from the past is making the future. And especially the second line because there 49 is changing in 43 the opposite of 23. The time of the sign taurus the months april- may. So the rising of the yang.

Frank

 

[meng]

Hi Frank,

You sight some reasons why I presented the question. I can see autumn from 23 eyes or from 49 eyes. But because of the revolutionary (cyclic upheaval) nature of 49, I identify seasonal stripping, as it were, more closely with 49. And, I see what we are doing here as 23.

 

[meng]

There's an interesting kind of 49 which happens in lakes in the fall. During summer, a lake stratifies. The surface layer warms from the sun, and then it quickly becomes cooler as you go deeper. In-between these layers is the thermocline: a thin oxygn and organism rich layer of water. In summer, most fish will in some way be relating to that thermocline blanket, oftentimes when it combines to meet bottom structures of some kind. Anyway, in fall, the warm surface water cools and begins moving downward, pushing the deeper, colder water to the surface, breaking up the thermocline in the process. It's called the autumn turnover.

Again, I believe it's this consistent circular pattern, which differentiates 49 from 23.

 

[meng]

Also, there's a war-like quality to 49, which distinguishes it from a more passive 23. 23 sort of surrenders to the inevitable, no? So maybe it depends on whether the tree surrenders to autumn or fights to bear that last fruit. Do trees have their own treeality?

 

[rosada]

I see 49 as being about being able to control timing: "The superior man sets the calendar in order and makes the seasons clear." So as to the trees losing their leaves, 23 could be refering to the shock of how to handle it the first time winter comes and the passive surrendering and 49 could be that now from keeping a calendar we know winter comes so now we are better prepared to deal with it.

 

[rosada]

These conversations seem to fit with the next line, "when talk has gone around three times..."

49.3
Nine in the third place means:
Starting brings misfortune.
Perseverance brings danger.
When talk of revolution has gone around three times,
One may commit himself,
And men will believe him.

 

[meng]

Yeah, I don't feel as though my words have been believed, lol.

 

[ravenstar]

Hello Bruce,

Interesting I always related 23 to autumn. 23 is one of The bigua or 'sovereign hexagrams'
23 is also the hexagram being part of the Chinese clock the time from 7 till 9 in the evening. Wilhelm writes in his book the months oktober-november. Time of Scorpion.The sign of death, leaving things behind. So also losing leaves. Time of the Bardo, the space where the spirit stays between life and death. Especially the 6th line where the spirit is going back to the TAO, or where the power of life is hidden in the seed the stage after losing the leaves.

49 is for me in a very strong relation with 48, the well where the energy from the past is making the future. And especially the second line because there 49 is changing in 43 the opposite of 23. The time of the sign taurus the months april- may. So the rising of the yang.

Frank

Wow! I miss one day and there's so much going on! Thanks to you all who commented on my hex 49.2 story. Rosada, I believe was spot on with

My dog left his earthly vehicle this week. 49.1 suggests to me he was a great spirit "wrapped in the hide of an animal." Ravenstar's experience makes me think the ouija board was playing the part of the "yellow cow hide" to channel the great spirit that spoke to her about the children.

I'm sorry to hear about your dog rosada. They are 'family' and we suffer a great loss when they're gone.

Getting back to Frank's quote above, I see 49 as autumn as well. The trees energy is geared towards this process. It doesn't refuse to let go of its leaves, it takes a giant leap of faith, understanding and accepting that this is way things are to go.

When we learn to do this, our focus and confidence expands. Our fear of the unknown is replaced with an exciting sense of adventure. What was feared at first doesn't need to be feared at all. We're in sync with our wisdom and with the universal life force. There is a lot of spirituality in this card.

I see Hex 23 meaning that something in our life is coming to an end (a job, a relationship, a financial situation etc.). This hex came up in a reading for a friend who was hanging on dearly to a relationship that was obviously ending. She clung to this relationship with all her might, even though she knew it was deteriorating. And when it did end she was just hanging on day to day, not wanting anyone's help but willingly accepting their pity. She worried about the past and what her future would bring. Her mind was scattered in all directions. For a time she was spiritually lost, her spirit unable to soar. It was only after she started to look within to see what she was doing to limit herself that she stopped looking at herself as a victim and began the process of letting go.....thus her healing began.

ravenstar

 

[ravenstar]

These conversations seem to fit with the next line, "when talk has gone around three times..."

49.3
Nine in the third place means:
Starting brings misfortune.
Perseverance brings danger.
When talk of revolution has gone around three times,
One may commit himself,
And men will believe him.

It has been said that whatever energy or actions we send out, negative or positive will come back to us threefold. Is this the three 49.3 speaks of? Is it karmic?

And if we do finally let go of what is safe and familiar, will we discover alternatives we didn't think of before which can create an unexpected rush of energy. We would then feel its excitement and flow confidentally with its unpredictable and wild energy?

Would the movie It's A Wonderful Life with Jimmy Stewart be in keeping with 49.3?

ravenstar

 

[frank_r]

Yeah, I don't feel as though my words have been believed, lol.

Hi Bruce,

Do you think that when people can't make this 49 change in autumn they also get problems in spring like hayfever, when the leaves start to grow? Is this start in the spring also a 49 moment?
Intuitively and in this regard I understand the transitional power of 49.

Frank

 

[meng]

Hi Bruce,

Do you think that when people can't make this 49 change in autumn they also get problems in spring like hayfever, when the leaves start to grow? Is this start in the spring also a 49 moment?
Intuitively and in this regard I understand the transitional power of 49.

Frank

Hi Frank

I don't think people have a choice. Even if they don't believe, they will be swept along by the seasonal revolution. My 49 pictorial caption reads: You must be born again; nature will see to it.

I suppose in this sense, spring is equally 49.

 

[meng]

I see 49 as being about being able to control timing: "The superior man sets the calendar in order and makes the seasons clear." So as to the trees losing their leaves, 23 could be refering to the shock of how to handle it the first time winter comes and the passive surrendering and 49 could be that now from keeping a calendar we know winter comes so now we are better prepared to deal with it.

Controlling timing, as I see it, is a function of 11. It may be compared with simultaneous orgasm, or the perfect moment for successful consummation.

Si-day isn't determined by someone. It's determined by nature. All one can do for 49 is to make provisions according to the seasons. You're unlikely to change what is greater than you, but you can be prepared to make the most of it. As you said: "49 could be that now from keeping a calendar we know winter comes so now we are better prepared to deal with it."

 

[meng]

Controlling timing, as I see it, is a function of 11. It may be compared with simultaneous orgasm, or the perfect moment for successful consummation.

I was just looking at this, and realized that latter part - "or the perfect moment for successful consummation" - can certainly be a function of 49, if seen from an angle of 'death to the spirit world', to be born to the natural world. Which would be shedding the womb or shell.

hmm..

 

[rodaki]

hi everyone!

your discussion on 23 and 49 got me thinking very recent experiences: on the day of my flight I went thru what I guess is referred to as 'anxiety attack'. All my worries broke out in a severe feeling that I was going to die during the flight. I never had such thoughts in the past and I tend to get very practical and pragmatic when it comes to journeying, so that was a surprise. I knew that there was actually a big part of my life that had to give way for the journey to succeed but in those last hours it brought about a lot of anguish . .
Later on reading about Yi's answers I run into this post by Cesca 2 years ago:

"My take on 23 is that it’s not just decay and decrease (as a necessary and life-supportive process); there are plenty of other hexagrams and/or lines that describe that sort of thing. What’s unique about 23 is that it’s the last bit you have to give up, the last bit of yang moving right through and out. You’ve lost everything external to yourself, and now your very skin is being flayed off you.

In such circumstances, it takes quite a lot of consciousness to be still (Mountain) and reflect and submit (Earth) to your fate, which will allow you to return to the mystical point of transformation in the void of Kun."
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3322&page=4)

Perhaps then, 49 is what happens to the tree; it doesn't fall apart or die, it is renewed, while 23 is what happens to the fruit; the fruit has to die to accomplish its purpose . . How about 23 as a microstructure of 49?
Feels like in 49 the core structure remains the same; the ruler might change but the actual rules or constitution does not seem to change radically . . in transformation we watch the change of forms, in splitting apart the inner core has to be dissolved . . Perhaps the experience of change is felt as 23 for what departs, 49 for what endures it . .
Back to Luis' card in the beginning, the man is seen to be breaking up a ding-like vessel. The vessel is split apart, thus it is not made from metal but clay (could this be made out of the well's mud?) Could the clay vessel have been the mould for the actual ding?

Rosada, I'm really sorry for your loss . . I hope time will be gentle with your feelings of sorrow soon. This might sound naive if you are still grieving, but perhaps this is what had to give on the way to a change? Maybe your dog was a spirit taking care of you in a way that had to retreat? Excuse me if this sounds cruel, but maybe there is some light at the end of the sorrow's tunnel?


greetings from Amsterdam!
rodaki

 

[rosada]

When change is necessary, there are two mistakes to be avoided. One lies in excessive haste and ruthlessness, which brings disaster. The other lies in excessive hesitation and conservatism, which are also dangerous. Not every demand for change in the existing order should be heeded. On the other hand, repeated and well-founded complaints should not fail of a hearing. When talk of change has come to one's ears three times, and has been pondered well, he may believe and acquiesce in it. Then he will meet with belief and will accomplish something.

This line is strong and clear and in the place of transition, but these very circumstances suggest danger of too great haste. Hence one should wait until the time is ripe. The relationship with the top line is not taken into account, because the latter is already bound to the fifth line. Therefore going prematurely would bring danger. If fire is to be effective against water, it must act with absolute determination. Success is possible only if all three lines form a single unit.
-Wilhelm

 

[rosada]

I've been getting value looking at 4. The Fool as one who is tossed by change, and 49. as one who brings about change. I think the third line position is key in that in hexagram 4. the Fool "when she sees a man of bronze, loses possession of herself." This suggests falling for the first thing you hear, whereas 49.3 says, "When talk of revolution has gone the rounds three times, one may commit himself," suggesting that the one who can bring about change is the one who can consider all the possibilities and ramifications before committing. I see ravenstar's experience of discussing all the possibilities with her friends before she went to the city council meeting as an example of 49.3.

 

[rosada]

Ravenstar - I think you are on to something about this line 49.3 having something to do with karma and things coming back 3x. I have experienced when this line has been prominent that things I have said have been taken much more seriously than I intended and back fired.

Rodaki - Thank you for your insights re my dear departed Zeus. For one thing, just after he died my son and his wife had to put down their dog who was 16, blind, deaf etc. I don't think I would have been nearly as sensitive to what they were going through if I hadn't had the experience myself. So I do believe Zeus gave me a great gift by allowing me to experience what that feels like. I am also getting tremendous comfort from following Bamboo's suggestion that I watch for Zeus reappearing now in my life in other forms, which he has. Finally, for anyone else out there going through this sort of thing, the homeopathic remedy Ignatia helps a lot for "grief".

Meng - Maybe rather than "controlling" time I should have said "using" timing, as opposed to just going with the flow. Like when an astrologer knows where the planets are he can adjust his actions to greatest advantage.

Thoughts on 23. vs. 49... I'm thinking of the sequence and how before 23. Splitting Apart comes 22. Grace. Grace describes a lovely life situation, but it is only shared by a few close by friends gathered round the campfire at the base of the mountain. Come the dawn, the pleasant sense of comradeship goes up in smoke, Splits Apart. 49. Revolution on the other hand follows the very real
group accomplishment of 48. The Well. Not just the fantasy creation of a few around a campfire as in 22, but the real creation of the efforts of the whole town. Having a Well, having evidence that group effort makes a difference, changes life forever, so the well leads to Revolution.

 

[frank_r]

Yes Rosade, it is always hard to lose a family friend. And an animal can be a real part of the family. Hopefully you find a special place in your heart for this friend.

Got some nice new insight with this dicussion about 23 and 49. But now we are at the third line of 49.
One of the two most central lines, with this line the revolution will start from the inside out.
Fire is changing in thunder and wind is changing to mountain. so the process of changing the skin will now be inevitable. Longlasting processes(wind) get a new personal perspective(mountain)

Line 3 is yang on a yang spot, so the ambition is all right here. The line on 3 has also a good resonating relation with line 6. But this line still belongs to the lower trigram so this is still in preparation time, later when we come into the upper trigram it can also be in the visible world. Here we have to count to three, but after that we can trust that there will be a real change.

Frank

 

[rosada]

"The revolution will start from the inside out." Yep, I think that's the truth we're getting now.

Thoughts...Pluto, the planet of death and rebirth, change and transformation, has now entered Capricorn. It has been hovering on the cusp of Sagittarius/Capricorn this entire last year and now as of yesterday has entered the sign of Personal Responsibility where it will remain for the next 15 years. As Sagittarius is the sign of Philosophy and Capricorn is the sign of Reality, this movement coincides with a time when the shortcomings of all the optimistic theories (Sagittarius) of how finances works are being revealed by the real world (Capricorn) market melt down. It should also cause people to come face to face in their personal lives with evidence of how their own philosophies are actually shaping their realities.
As Pluto is a planet that emphasizes isolation and Capricorn is a sign that requires starting at the bottom and working one's way up with no shortcuts, we are probably all seeing in some area of our lives where we have become isolated and it being nobody's fault but our own. The good news is that what we are going through right now should be the ground floor. That is, if we can acknowledge where we're at we should be able to see now how we have created the situation and say "The buck stops here." So a sense of the Revolution starting within.

 

[Trojina]

hi everyone!


Later on reading about Yi's answers I run into this post by Cesca 2 years ago:

"My take on 23 is that it’s not just decay and decrease (as a necessary and life-supportive process); there are plenty of other hexagrams and/or lines that describe that sort of thing. What’s unique about 23 is that it’s the last bit you have to give up, the last bit of yang moving right through and out. You’ve lost everything external to yourself, and now your very skin is being flayed off you.

In such circumstances, it takes quite a lot of consciousness to be still (Mountain) and reflect and submit (Earth) to your fate, which will allow you to return to the mystical point of transformation in the void of Kun."
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3322&page=4)

Perhaps then, 49 is what happens to the tree; it doesn't fall apart or die, it is renewed, while 23 is what happens to the fruit; the fruit has to die to accomplish its purpose . . How about 23 as a microstructure of 49?
Feels like in 49 the core structure remains the same; the ruler might change but the actual rules or constitution does not seem to change radically . . in transformation we watch the change of forms, in splitting apart the inner core has to be dissolved . . Perhaps the experience of change is felt as 23 for what departs, 49 for what endures it . .


greetings from Amsterdam!
rodaki

What you've written makes alot of sense to me. For some time I've been puzzling over the difference between 23 and 49. In my personal experience often 49 signifies something seemingly ended, totally over, with no sight that I can see of a renewal of the thing in question..that may be because it refers to a bigger timescale than i can see I suppose, so it can feel like 23. Anyway I like the comparison to the tree. I feel thats how 49 is.

 

[rodaki]

Rodaki - Thank you for your insights re my dear departed Zeus. For one thing, just after he died my son and his wife had to put down their dog who was 16, blind, deaf etc. I don't think I would have been nearly as sensitive to what they were going through if I hadn't had the experience myself. So I do believe Zeus gave me a great gift by allowing me to experience what that feels like. I am also getting tremendous comfort from following Bamboo's suggestion that I watch for Zeus reappearing now in my life in other forms, which he has..

Hi Rosada, so nice that your dear friend shows himself still near! I'm guessing it feels like a knowing comforting smile . .

from frank_r
Longlasting processes(wind) get a new personal perspective(mountain)

Hi Frank, always enjoying your insights (although I can't claim to understand all of it ) this time I was intrigued by your statement on mountain as personal perspective, probably because I tend to focus on the mountain as a mass of matter that is visible by everyone . . would you mind explaining a bit more?

from trojan:
What you've written makes alot of sense to me

Hi Trojan, nice to know what I'm writing makes sense to others too! I've been getting so much insight from all of you here reading your answers and comments in previous threads and it feels good when I can give sth back

rodaki

 

[frank_r]

Hi Frank, always enjoying your insights (although I can't claim to understand all of it ) this time I was intrigued by your statement on mountain as personal perspective, probably because I tend to focus on the mountain as a mass of matter that is visible by everyone . . would you mind explaining a bit more?

hello Rodaki,

Thanks for the compliment.

But now about mountain, mountain together with trigram earth belong to the element earth. Trigram earth has no yang lines so there is no personal perspectieve here, it is the perspective of everybody. Where in mountain all knowledge is in the top line, so this is the personal earth. Because of his knowledge the mountain is visible. Moutain is also connected with a teacher for instance.


Frank

 

[fkegan]

"The revolution will start from the inside out." Yep, I think that's the truth we're getting now.

Thoughts...Pluto, the planet of death and rebirth, change and transformation, has now entered Capricorn. It has been hovering on the cusp of Sagittarius/Capricorn this entire last year and now as of yesterday has entered the sign of Personal Responsibility where it will remain for the next 15 years. As Sagittarius is the sign of Philosophy and Capricorn is the sign of Reality, this movement coincides with a time when the shortcomings of all the optimistic theories (Sagittarius) of how finances works are being revealed by the real world (Capricorn) market melt down. It should also cause people to come face to face in their personal lives with evidence of how their own philosophies are actually shaping their realities.
As Pluto is a planet that emphasizes isolation and Capricorn is a sign that requires starting at the bottom and working one's way up with no shortcuts, we are probably all seeing in some area of our lives where we have become isolated and it being nobody's fault but our own. The good news is that what we are going through right now should be the ground floor. That is, if we can acknowledge where we're at we should be able to see now how we have created the situation and say "The buck stops here." So a sense of the Revolution starting within.

In the Zodiac there is a distinction between algebraic calculation (such as computer software) and geometrical magnitudes which start with some unit and then have numbers of units or numbers. This shows up as two choices for numbering the 30 degrees of a Zodiac sign--either algebraic number from 0 to 29 or geometrical numbers of 1 to 30. Pluto has entered the 30th degree of Sag which is also the zeroth degree of Capricorn-- the cusp between Sag and Capricorn.
The Sabian Symbol rounds up, so the symbolic image is clear as that of first degree of Capricorn

An Indian chief is standing before the assembled powwow of tribes and demands recognition coldly and regally.

or (hex 33.1) from Gia-Fu:

AT THE TAIL OF THE WITHDRAWAL. DANGER. NO USE TO ACT. Stop before it has started. How could you suffer calamity?

Which together illustrate this Zodiac cusp between the Open Channel of Sag and the Firm Commitment of Capricorn. What to do if you are at the tail of a retreating army being pursued by a larger force? Focus upon your roots and prior conditions (first line) and thus move toward the resultant of hex 13 or community. To an actual army in the field, the worst outcome after defeat is to flee and be liable to destruction from behind, the losing army that can hold together and regroup can survive to fight again.
The ancient Imperial Bureaucrat in such a situation, in his government cubicle as it were when terrible things are happening around him, should be quiet to avoid personal blame. The Romantic American image from the Roaring '20's would be the Indian Chief expressing his personal courage to assert leadership and thus turn everything around.

Hexagram 49 refers to the molting of animals who grow by maintaining their inner process and adjusting through outer change. It is also an image of traditional Chinese political revolutions which occur when the Emperor forgets his duty to protect and promote the people, thinking he is the ultimate and whatever pleases him is for him to have. Chinese dynasties traditionally started in popular uprising, established themselves as servants of the local farmers or vast mass of the people, and over a few centuries became corrupt in their palaces in the capital, forgetting the mass of the people.

Back in the early '70's the anthropologist Dr. Francis Hsu visited his native China noting that although Mao and all spoke only of Marxist-Leninism their actions were all those of a traditional new Chinese Dynasty. In less than half a century they are universally noted as being corrupt and a drop below a GDP growth rate of 5% considered catastrophic giving rise to vast social unrest.

The rest of the world is going through its own molting to preserve its inner survival. The global financial crisis is the result of ignoring importance of the jobs of the general public--what a national economy is all about-- to focus upon the abstract wealth of fancy financial paper that could be computerized and played with by sharpies eager to forget the old restraints and claim they had discovered new magic.
Conservatives believed that real estate was somehow more real than stocks or bonds and securities based upon mortgages had to be absolutely solid no matter what. One skeptic asked folks at S&P, the ones who rated securities, "What happens if housing prices fall?" and actually was told "our computer model does not accept a negative number value so we don't know." Housing prices could only rise in their universe. In the real world if jobs are outsourced, local folks don't have income and therefore, cannot make their mortgage payments, even if given 100% financing to allow them to buy into the bubble and thus the mortgage broker can keep his sales commissions and trend line moving along.

As they put all focus upon what they could get next, hex 23 with only the transition to the next as focus and all else ignored as it comes apart--they set in motion that transition which is always and all ways a traditional bubble of excess that bursts. What comes next can not be good if it has no connection at all to what was or is--just what could be different. Eventually, what comes next can only be panic and loss of wild excess going over the cliff of reality-- and a resultant change in the folks allowed in leadership posts so that the economy and people overall continue to survive (hex 49). Even now there is a total gulf between the experts quaking in their knowledge of how total the collapse could be, and the market traders still looking for every sign that the worst is over and they can go back to promoting the next bull market.

Frank

 

[rodaki]

thank you Frank for going into this, another dark corner just lit up!

rodaki

 

[rosada]

49.4
Nine in the fourth place means:
Remorse disappears. Men believe him.
Changing the form of government brings good fortune.

Radical changes require adequate authority. A man must have inner strength as well as influential position. What he does must correspond with a higher truth and must not spring from arbitrary or petty motives; then it brings great good fortune. If a revolution is not founded on such inner truth, the results are bad, and it has no success. For in the end men will support only those undertakings which they feel instinctively to be just.
-Wilhelm

 

[ravenstar]

"The revolution will start from the inside out." Yep, I think that's the truth we're getting now.

Thoughts...Pluto, the planet of death and rebirth, change and transformation, has now entered Capricorn. It has been hovering on the cusp of Sagittarius/Capricorn this entire last year and now as of yesterday has entered the sign of Personal Responsibility where it will remain for the next 15 years. As Sagittarius is the sign of Philosophy and Capricorn is the sign of Reality, this movement coincides with a time when the shortcomings of all the optimistic theories (Sagittarius) of how finances works are being revealed by the real world (Capricorn) market melt down. It should also cause people to come face to face in their personal lives with evidence of how their own philosophies are actually shaping their realities.
As Pluto is a planet that emphasizes isolation and Capricorn is a sign that requires starting at the bottom and working one's way up with no shortcuts, we are probably all seeing in some area of our lives where we have become isolated and it being nobody's fault but our own. The good news is that what we are going through right now should be the ground floor. That is, if we can acknowledge where we're at we should be able to see now how we have created the situation and say "The buck stops here." So a sense of the Revolution starting within.

I totally agree with you rosada. Pluto's influence will strip away and tear away old facades, altering or destroying them, leaving us feeling vulnerable and raw......a form of breakdown. I think that as discussed earlier, this will be very karmic in nature (globally and individually) as we will be sifting through old programmes, clutter and emotional garbage that has accumulated from the beginning of human existence.

Mountain Astrologer Feb/Mar 2008 - "In Capricorn, the Northern Hemisphere expierences its longest night. The Yin force, having reached its fullest level, begins to wane and the Yange force starts a new cycle of growth [very much to what Frank said ) Thus Capricorn corresponds to the time of year, in the depth of darkness, the hope for light is at its most intense............

Saturn is associated with Chronos, the God of Time. Time is the medium in which our actions unfold, so Saturn is also the Lord of Karma, and karma simply put is only the law of actions and reactions. In this context, we can expect to be confronted by the results of accumulated actions and reactions seen during the previous passages of Pluto in Capricorn .........

With Pluto in Capricorn we can initially expect to see the dredging up and exposure of some unpalatable facts and damaging patterns related to the management of resources and people. We can also expect a fair amount of denial and hypocrisy to cover up and justify whatever abuse has taken place and the inevitable guilt, shame and remorse these carry in their wake. This is the first step in Pluto's work: What needs to be radically transformed and healed is first exposed in unequivocal terms.

Capricorn has a tendency to holdback, protect itself until it is really sure of something. But when that surety is brought to the light, the influence can make us feel as if we are being swept away through an intensity of feelings, enthusiasm......it is an intensity of a pent-up volcano. Definitely a hex 49 experience!

Capricorn has been seen as a goat, sometimes a sea goat, and in ancient times a unicorn......its horn symbolizes an intense power of determination/concentration and goats don't quit at something that is important to them....they are quite skilled in crisis management.

The world is in a recession.......I think it is our job to slowly work from the bottom up and discover the secret to Cap's highly potent time-released formula (alchemy). We will have to be persistent in what we want and learn to adapt our methods to the circumstances around us. We are all in this together. Hmmm, makes me think of the fairy tale The Tortoise and the Hare.....

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

Here in America much is being made out of the fact that Obama is picking members for his cabinet from people that have much experience but who have not necessarily been supporters of him personally. Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State is a prime example. I think this fits with 49.3 and the idea of talk going around three times, the idea that all points of view will be heard, not just the ideas of yes-men. Then 49.4 promises that people will trust the leader because they are assured that he knows all the facts and will make decisions based on what will be best based on all the various points of view.

The sequence of 45. - 48. The Well leading to 49. Revolution and then to 50. The Ting, strikes me as the most profound moment of the I Ching experience. I'm reading it to mean that mankind has reached a point of possible Group Consciousness and the opportunity to work together and create as a Group. What's that line, "Reality is created by agreement"?

Anyway, looking at these hexagrams...
45. Group Awareness - we were experiencing The Olympics in China when we were focusing on this hexagram here at Onlineclarity - a very fitting example of 45. and the sense of becoming aware of all the other points of view.
46. Individual Advance - Although we became aware there are millions of other people out there, I think we also became aware there is no one else who can do what we came here to do, that our own piece of the puzzle is a necessary contribution.
47. Exhaustion - Again the sense that no one else can do what we came to do, but also I think here entered the idea of not needing to feel we need to do it all. An awareness that others had contributions and the need to respect others and let them do their work.
48. The Well - Lo, mutual respect = group creation. The combination of contributing our point of view and letting others contribute theirs led to a group creation. Significantly here in America this hexagram came at the time of the election when each person voting their conscience created the next group leader.
49. Revolution - A well, clean available water, revolutionizes a society. Realizing that while working alone only creates Exhaustion, but WORKING TOGETHER creates something fabulous is a revolutionary insight. It makes the creation of the Well something more than just a source of water. It creates a spiritual awareness, the awareness that all things are possible. I think this how Revolution turns The Well into The Ting.
50. The Ting - Supreme good fortune. Why? Perhaps because by looking into a well, or a caldron, one can see the reflection of heaven, and thus one's own place in the grand scheme of things. By appreciating the group creation one can see what their role is supposed to be. So then "The superior man consolidates his fate by making his position correct."
51. The Arousing - Seeing where we are and where we are supposed to be would naturally create a wake up call. I mean, if one is able to now look at their life and realize where things are headed - like you now get it that you will eventually grow old and die, are you ready? - that would cause the superior man to be extremely motivated to set "his life in order and examine himself."

Well, I've gone way forward here and I hope what I'm trying to say makes sense. Anyway, my point is that I think we've been doing this I Ching memorization march long enough that we really have gotten in tune with each other to the point that now the hexagram we are on really is telling us something about the current times and I think what it is telling us is that at this time of Pluto going into Capricorn we are having an unusually clear opportunity to look at our lives and very carefully discuss ideas from all points of view and see what our personal responsibility is and make wise choices and by the time we reach 50.5 and 50.6 I'm betting we'll have some really significant insights, clarity, come to each of us about where we stand and what we need to do next.