5.2.3

[CheersC]

The question is "how is this health matter going and what can I do????"
Don't worry I'm not relying on the oracle for therapy/diagnosis, but more as a guidance and a possible hope. It's, unluckily, a sudden and tough heavy health illness I wished didn't happen or that it was possible to prevent before.
The casting talks about 5 waiting
I have read around the forum about line 2 and 3 speak about worrying and not focusing on one's activities... In fact I tend to have huge worries even if I try so hard to be optimistic,my mind wanders and I receive those images... I wouldn't have even written about it.
I'm trying to focus on something else... Well I made the oracle because I had a dream in which I was lending someone the 3 coins of the i king. Just because of this... Don't know the interpretation for that either.

 

[diamanda]

how is this health matter going and what can I do? 5.2.3

It would be really helpful if you also wrote the resulting hexagram.

how is this health matter going and what can I do? 5.2.3 > 3
It sounds like an unpleasant situation. You'll have discomfort because of it. You really need to do something to avoid "being stuck in the mud". It will take quite some time to resolve. Sorry to hear you have something so unpleasant going on...
Please don't worry at all for feeling worried. In my experience, feeling optimistic or feeling pessimistic has zero effect on most health issues. You can take action by avoiding the "mud" - what could mud mean in your case? You don't have to write this here, as this might be too personal information. Just something for you to think about.

 

[rosada]

I'm seeing these hexagrams as saying you need to find "helpers" (hexagram 3) which I think in this case could mean doctors or just sound medical advice.
5.2.3 Makes me think you have not yet found the right help. Maybe you've talked to some people who have some ideas (5.2) but maybe these ideas haven't really solved the issue and maybe 5.3 is advising to not stay stuck with advisers who aren't helpful or perhaps it's that you need to be more active in the healing process.
I'm speculating that your condition is fairly recent, perhaps not fully diagnosed and that you must not wait around for treatments to be effective if you can already tell they are not working. The Difficulty only lasts for the Beginning so I think you can be optimistic that ultimately the confusion gets sorted out and things improve. Hope so!

 

[CheersC]

how is this health matter going and what can I do? 5.2.3

It would be really helpful if you also wrote the resulting hexagram.

how is this health matter going and what can I do? 5.2.3 > 3
It sounds like an unpleasant situation. You'll have discomfort because of it. You really need to do something to avoid "being stuck in the mud". It will take quite some time to resolve. Sorry to hear you have something so unpleasant going on...
Please don't worry at all for feeling worried. In my experience, feeling optimistic or feeling pessimistic has zero effect on most health issues. You can take action by avoiding the "mud" - what could mud mean in your case? You don't have to write this here, as this might be too personal information. Just something for you to think about.

At the beginning they uselessly took a long time, but there was still hope to receive comfortable information, then doctors switched and they found out the worst.
I can do nothing but pray & disconnect myself for a while.

 

[CheersC]

I'm seeing these hexagrams as saying you need to find "helpers" (hexagram 3) which I think in this case could mean doctors or just sound medical advice.
5.2.3 Makes me think you have not yet found the right help. Maybe you've talked to some people who have some ideas (5.2) but maybe these ideas haven't really solved the issue and maybe 5.3 is advising to not stay stuck with advisers who aren't helpful or perhaps it's that you need to be more active in the healing process.
I'm speculating that your condition is fairly recent, perhaps not fully diagnosed and that you must not wait around for treatments to be effective if you can already tell they are not working. The Difficulty only lasts for the Beginning so I think you can be optimistic that ultimately the confusion gets sorted out and things improve. Hope so!

They diagnosed the worst possible after first less shocking but wrong diagnosis...
At the beginning they took time useless

 

[CheersC]

Obtained again 5 but unchanging

 

[mandarin_23]

Patience is needed. 5.2.3|3 was just the beginning, now, 5 unchanged, take a deep breath. Eat and drink and keep your wits! I'm sorry to read that you are unwell, CheersC, and wish you all the very best - recover!!

With an unchanging hexagram, you are guided, you don't need to act. And the reading - hexagram 5 - talks about happily getting out of a difficult situation, after a while. All the very best to you!

 

[diamanda]

So sorry to hear this CheersC.
5 unchanging is promising here - the character for 5 means:
"rains arriving as slow as a growing beard"
So things will improve, very gradually (or you'll grow a beard!).
Hang in there

 

[CheersC]

If about a person with cancer I don't know how waiting for a good recover is possible but thanks... I've received it twice so I'd just take it as nothing else I can do

 

[diamanda]

Nowadays most cancers are treatable. In very many cases, fully treatable. I can totally understand you're in shock because of the bad news, and I'm really sorry that this happened to you. I send you my best wishes CheersC, I so hope that with patience you'll be healthy again.

 

[CheersC]

Nowadays most cancers are treatable. In very many cases, fully treatable. I can totally understand you're in shock because of the bad news, and I'm really sorry that this happened to you. I send you my best wishes CheersC, I so hope that with patience you'll be healthy again.

Not all cancers are treatable. The type of cancer was sadly one malignant, initially the doctors wasted time and it went on metastasis (i guess) because after surgery it made also a relapse here and there and now it can't be operated again. No healing occurred and if the casting was about that as said at the beginning then it was giving fake hopes.
I'm sad to tell, but probably eating drinking and waiting was more about what i could focus on in the present, like not thinking about that prognosis, not thinking about the future. I'm just sorry for that person i cared for,we both thought surgery had solved it since the hexagram told about slow healing process.
=(
Thanks guys anyways. I found the strength to write anyways...

 

[mandarin_23]

Hi CheersC,
sorry to read that!
Hexagram 5 is not also waiting, but hoping - as if you asked: is there hope (5) of recovery (3)? As I would read the hexagram 3, sprouting, as a waiting or a hope for a new spring to come. Or, as it is spring, more literally: "Waiting in spring".
Line 5.2 is auspicious. Things will go well, just take their time. Line 5.3, though, also says something like: "what are you waiting for?".
Wish you the very, very best.

 

[CheersC]

Hi CheersC,
sorry to read that!
Hexagram 5 is not also waiting, but hoping - as if you asked: is there hope (5) of recovery (3)? As I would read the hexagram 3, sprouting, as a waiting or a hope for a new spring to come. Or, as it is spring, more literally: "Waiting in spring".
Line 5.2 is auspicious. Things will go well, just take their time. Line 5.3, though, also says something like: "what are you waiting for?".
Wish you the very, very best.

Hey. If it wasn't about waiting, it was about hoping which was useless anyways.
I cannot expect anything good anymore.
Thanks anyways

 

[rosada]

Dearest CheersC,
So sorry to read this unfortunate news. I see now that "Waiting" does not necessarily mean "wait and everything will work out as you hope." Rather I now see it as meaning "While you are waiting eat drink and be merry no matter what the final outcome might be."
Interesting the last line of this Waiting hexagram says, "three uninvited guests arrive" - as if to advise there is no indication here as to how things will turn out, so again enjoy the moment as best as one can.
Hugs,
Rosada

 

[diamanda]

That's bad news, so sorry to hear... The cast was not telling you to just eat drink and be happy. It was telling you ("how it will go, what can I do") that it will be uncomfortable, that there's not much you can do, and that it will result in a difficult situation (3).

As you say, not all cancers are treatable - but most of them are. There are many options, depending on the type of cancer/metastasis, and apart from the tried and tested options there are also possibilities to participate in clinical trials of new treatments. Don't give up yet please. Have your doctors explained what options are available for you?

 

[rosada]

When CheersC asked her question she didn't know what the diagnosis was yet. At least that's how I understood her. So when she got Waiting I didn't interpret as the I Ching was telling her how to ultimately handle the illness but rather just how to handle the waiting for the diagnosis.

Thoughts on the meaning of the individual lines:

5.1 Focus on the positive, what is good and what endures...
5.2 Although to while away the hours sitting on the beach in the sand enjoying a bit of gossip isn't wrong..
5.3 Just don't get stuck in negativity.
5.4 Or everything will start seeming like a catastrophe about to happen.
5.5 Better to look on the bright side.
5.6 Then whatever happens will be easier to understand as being for the best.

 

[diamanda]

When CheersC asked her question she didn't know what the diagnosis was yet. At least that's how I understood her. So when she got Waiting I didn't interpret as the I Ching was telling her how to ultimately handle the illness but rather just how to handle the waiting for the diagnosis.

Good point Rosada.

 

[rosada]

I wonder now if 5.3 in general means something hasn’t been worked out yet , something stuck in the mud? Or a warning as in a feeling of “you don’t want to know”?

I just reread CheersC original post and noted her dream where she lent her I Ching coins. What might it mean? Perhaps a message that she can use the IChing to communicate with the person she gives the coins to? What do you see in it, CheersC