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5.4 --- act now? Or wait?

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So I cast 5.4 about a pretty serious situation. It's making me mematally and physically ill as I worry non stop about everything and that... is rooted in this situation.

So, I've read a bunch of threads and the memorizing thread on hex 5.
Legge says, "...The wiser plan of waiting till success is sure..." is the lesson of the hexagram. 5.4 says "waiting in blood. But he will get out of the cavern." I thought that to mean to not act, that I should continue in my suffering. But I've read several responses that this line means ABSOLUTELY to act. ITS TIME TO GO!!

So now I'm confused. Do I do what I know is right (and have for a long time) and make huge personal sacrifices but alas be free of the situation? I assume this action, however, should not be a knee jerk reaction but a well calculated move?

Also, I believe something of importance --Last week I was super tummy sick and I asked "why do I feel sick?" and I got 43.1.2
My thoughts on that are: Hex 43.1.2 means you should get ready for changes (H43) by playing what you know (L1) and being ready (L2).

So back to my questions - do I act now (knee jerk) and just get out of the situation and in doing so, I just go on about my business and hold my head up and get thru it? Or -- do I wait until I see a better moment to act even though my current struggles will continue.
 

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So I cast 5.4 about a pretty serious situation. It's making me mematally and physically ill as I worry non stop about everything and that... is rooted in this situation.

So, I've read a bunch of threads and the memorizing thread on hex 5.
Legge says, "...The wiser plan of waiting till success is sure..." is the lesson of the hexagram. 5.4 says "waiting in blood. But he will get out of the cavern." I thought that to mean to not act, that I should continue in my suffering. But I've read several responses that this line means ABSOLUTELY to act. ITS TIME TO GO!!

Yes , of course it's time to go. Yi says from Hilary's translation

'Waiting in blood.
Come out of the pit'

So move, get out now.

So now I'm confused. Do I do what I know is right (and have for a long time) and make huge personal sacrifices but alas be free of the situation? I assume this action, however, should not be a knee jerk reaction but a well calculated move?

The line can refer simply to getting out of/away from emotional pain. Now this wouldn't always have to mean physically leaving, it can just be saying not to hang around in places of wounding, don't be hurt, get out of the dark. Other times it can just mean 'get the hell out of there' and I have known it mean that.

Are you capable of calculation at this time or is your gut telling you ? See I don't think this line is a place where well reasoned thoughts happen...it's hell in there, you don't need to think, you need to get away from pain !

So back to my questions - do I act now (knee jerk) and just get out of the situation and in doing so, I just go on about my business and hold my head up and get thru it? Or -- do I wait until I see a better moment to act even though my current struggles will continue.

I think your own pain and suffering can be a guide here. What Yi is telling you to do is get away from what hurts you and makes you 'bleed'. Blood in Yi is often pain and here you are shown just waiting in the midst of pain. Move away from that space of pain in whatever way you choose. Feel where the pain is and then remove yourself from it. How is up to you but you cannot go on feeling so bad without moving to get away from pain.
 

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This is a shared reading so why has it been moved to exploring divination ? I answered it in shared readings section.
 

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Thank you Trojina! Yes I need to get the hell out of the situation.
 

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Yes, in whatever way seems best. As I said at time it can refer simply to a mind set, that is get out this dark confined and painful thought pattern but other times one is literally in place of pain and cannot really think straight till one gets out.

That was an odd interlude as the thread made it's way over to Exploring Divination and back :confused:
 
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Hi Lorna23 - thanks for posting.

As to your question:

Hex. 5 describes a time of waiting, anticipation. Two things are implied here. First, that you have the opportunity to make use of this 'in the mean time' time wisely. And second, that you will act -- and have the opportunity to use the waiting time to inform your decision.

I like to think that Yi is honoring your free will here -- the decision is yours, and how long the waiting time is before the decision (a minute, a day, a lifetime?) is yours as well.

Line 5.4, 'waiting in blood,' brings to mind a 'blood bond' or tie. So you might ask, what is keeping you from making a decision? Could it be that some old, familiar, or familial (family or ancestral), pattern or voice is not letting you move forward (what Stephen Karcher might call your 'ancestor work.')?

The other part of the line, 'get out of the pit,' may seem straightforward, as in 'get out of there,' but I'm not sure the Yi is being that literal here. Could the 'pit' perhaps be your indecision, and the Yi is saying, '"look to what's holding you back" from making a decision'?

The relating hexagram, 43 is called Decisiveness, or Deciding, or Resolution. A call to action and one that I think implies that your best decision is not based on fear, or anger, or ill-will, but instead you are acting because it's the right thing to do -- for you, as well as your family and community.

Though not strictly a Yi construct, I also like to look at what Stephen Karcher calls the Ideal hexagram, which in this case is 15, Authenticity, or Integrity. One very good description of this is what the photographer Henri Cartier-Bresson called the 'decisive moment' -- a moment when your hands (in his case, holding a camera), head and heart are all aligned -- which would be the best time to make an authentic decision or take action.

In summary, in this instance it could be that your indecision -- and whatever is keeping you held in that state of indecision -- is the 'toxic' situation you need to address. So, apply whatever medicine, or tonic, or healing you need to so you can get to a 'decisive moment' and move forward.

Kindly, David
 
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Thank you so much, David! I really like the ideal hex thought. In order for me to move forward thru this situation I definitely need all those things aligned.

I asked a follow up question, "how do I get out of the cave?" And received Hexagram 28.3 > 47. Looks like it's not going to be easy. :-(
 

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Thank you so much, David! I really like the ideal hex thought. In order for me to move forward thru this situation I definitely need all those things aligned.

I asked a follow up question, "how do I get out of the cave?" And received Hexagram 28.3 > 47. Looks like it's not going to be easy. :-(
 

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Interesting, the line says "Get out of the pit!" and the next thing we know the whole thread has jumped over to Exploring Divination! Another vote for get out now!

Consider that the previous hexagram was hexagram 4, The Fool and the advice was Perseverance Furthers. So perhaps 5.Waiting is what perseverance initially feels like, especially to the impatient young Fool who wants to know all the answers to all the questions immediately.

The lines may give a clue as to how to wait-but-don't-worry and what happens when that is hard to do.

5.1 Before Waiting, not really waiting, maybe just expecting, or maybe not knowing what you're waiting for. Or maybe the right way to wait is to know something is coming but you don't put all your attention on it. A watched pot never boils.
5.2 Waiting in sand, gossip. Okay starting to chit chat with others or maybe just chewing on things in your own mind.
5.3 Waiting in mud. Ugh, all the gossip and worry leaves a person feeling kinda slimy.
5.4 Waiting in blood. Even so, one continues to worry and really works oneself up to a crisis. This has got to change.
5.5 Waiting at food and drink. Ahh, shift focus, enjoy the moment, raise the vibration.
5.6 After Waiting. The Waiting is over. Someone arrives or something new happens. Not sure if it's good news or bad news. Be respectful.

Now looking at the whole hexagram it would seem that your 5.4 Waiting in blood could mean that you've just gotten yourself all worked up and you need to 5.5 shift your focus. Or it could mean that there is real danger here. But I think the ultimate meaning is that whether your worries are groundless or not you need to do something immediately to get out of your current mind set.
 
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Thank you Rosada! You are absolutely right. I am trying to fill my mind with 5.5 -hanging out with friends and trying to have fun. Trying to pull myself out. It's tough.
 

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I've found the quickest most effective way to raise your spirits is to play music.
Burn candles for manifesting - Green for money. Red and pink for love. White and gold for spiritual protection.
 

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Been poolside with Pandora Grateful Dead channel and drinking Palm Breeze! Getting better ��
 
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Lorna23, you don't have to answer, but I find myself wondering what is this toxic 'situation' your in I imagined it to be a toxic home environment, like a house with black mold. But now I'm wondering, is it more about a toxic relationship, or another environment beside home, like your job or school?

It was your "should I go or should I stay" way of asking the question that made me take another look.
 

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You totally got it. It's a toxic marriage that needs to end. We've been separated for getting on two years. Since we had been together for 14 yrs - I wanted to at least try to see if we could make another start and move thru all the bad things that had been created over the past several years. But like usual I'm the only one trying. And it all culminated the other day when he was supposed to pay me back for bill that I had paid for him. it caused me a lot of financial difficulty but he doesn't care (his actions). It was like I was stabbed in the heart and hit in the head all at once. The realization that the relationship is over ... it has to be over ... I can't continue to give my energy to someone who a) doesn't care about it and b) who, I now realize, doesn't deserve it ... it's terrible and great at the same time. But I can't carry him any longer. My best friend describes the situation as I have a dead body strapped to my back.

I guess I'm not good at ending things .... so I look to Yi to help guide me through this. When I cast 28.3 I thought oh great. I still haven't hit bottom.
 

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