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Hello Clarity Members:)! I have recently been receiving a lot of instruction from the Yi to go with the flow, don't fight my fate, surrender... There was the recent casting about the boyfriend, and the Yi said, "Move on Dancing White Ferret. Surrender." Then, earlier today, I asked, "Please, give me a picture of where my life is headed." And the Yi gave me 2.6>23, which according to LiSe, is a signal that I need to stop fighting fate. Again, surrender. That fits... So, what is so great about this fate. Coming up in cards and many readings for a long time... So, I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and hopefully you all will be able to help me out with this:bows:.

I asked the Yi "What is my fate?" and the answer was 50.5>44.

This sounds quite good:), or is the Yi just being philosophical with me or something? The Yi seems to be implying a new start and good fortune fated for me:)! Followed with a return of the Inferior? Anyone have an experience with this configuration or some insight on this... The 44 sounds like a downer... Also sounds a lot like what got me off track in the first place, so I'm wondering if that could be the background here.

So, just out of curiosity, I asked, "Why is this my fate?" and I got 13 unchanging. Am I destined for some fellowship with men, or leading some special group? This answer makes me think of Frodo Baggins in the Fellowship of the Ring... Although I have a feeling I am off in my interpretation:blush:. Is it saying I'm a humanitarian or need to be?

A little off topic here, but, I've noticed the transformed hex often reflects my current situation:confused:. Not always, but when I ask questions like "where are things going this year?", or "what is my fate?" the transformed hex often sounds like what got me where I am or where I am currently... Is it possible the Yi reflects your current situation in the transformed hex, especially if the outcome is far in the future and difficult or impossible to know. Thanks in advance everyone for sharing your thoughts and experience:).

Sincerely,
:bows:DWF:bows:

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Is it possible the Yi reflects your current situation in the transformed hex, especially if the outcome is far in the future and difficult or impossible to know.

Now you're about to start World War III with this question :D

Ok, seriously. This is one of the never-ending discussions in Yi's studies.

For some people, the second hexagram is not relevant at all. It would be just a notation form to record the changing lines in the first hexagram which would be the only answer.

For some people, the changing lines are not relevant. They would be only the mathematical way to get the second hexagram.

For some people, the first hexagram is the present and the second hexagram is the future.

For some people the second hexagram is the bigger context of your answer in the first hexagram.

For some people the first hexagram is the subjective side of the situation, while the second hexagram is the objective side of the situation.

For Wang Bi, an ancient scholar back in China, the first hexagram is the main direction of evolution while the second hexagram is an (external) second influence which can lead the evolution into an alternative direction.


Now, pick one of those options and let's start the fighting :rant::rant::rant:

:rofl:

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:eek:. Oh no! Not my intention to start a war:footinmouth:... :hide:....... I think I've seen the Yi use all of these ways of communicating, and it has been my experience in general that very few things in the world are that structured. Does it have to be just one? I just put up a post in open space where a prairie dog chased off a black footed ferret, it's natural predator. The opposite of what normally happens. It breaks the rules, and I'm not a big fan of rules. They are soooo limiting. Rules, Shmules:p... Could there be validity to all of these ideas? Maybe the Yi is a rebel rule breaker... Ok, probably not. I think what I am seeing pop up in some of these may like the Wang Bi explanation, which I was not familiar with. I'll have to look into it. Thanks Riurik:hug:. Do you mind revealing how you look at the 2nd hex...

:hugs: Come on people now,
Smile on your brother...:hugs:
:hugs:Everybody get together,
Try to love one another right now:hugs:
(The Youngbloods)

If this does spur some controversy let's keep it clean:).

Thanks:bows:
DWF
 
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I think what I am seeing pop up in some of these may like the Wang Bi explanation, which I was not familiar with. I'll have to look into it.

I like Wang Bi's comments. A lot. Of course, I also disagree with him from time to time ;)

If you're interested and able, try to get this one
http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Changes-Translation-Ching-Interpreted/dp/0231082940

Do you mind revealing how you look at the 2nd hex...
Sure. My take on this is: DEPENDS :rofl: It depends, most of the time, in the kind of question asked. In general, I tend to follow a mixture of the last two with the third.

I mean most of the time I see the two hexagrams as 2 interactive influences (Wang Bi's approach), one internal or subjective (what you want and can do with your free choice) and the other one external or objective (your context that doesn't depend on you). The interaction of those 2 forces will decide the outcome. I tend to see the changing lines as keystones where the interaction happens, the decisive issue that would solve the situation one way or another.

Since many people are not aware or awake enough, most of the time the external context would prevail and that explains why most of the time the second hexagram wins and you may think it was a prediction of the future.

If this does spur some controversy let's keep it clean:).
No, no controversy at all. I was just kidding
 
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Thank you Riurik:)! That really clears things up... I think that may be the warning of 44 here. I think it is where I have made a mistake in the past with this issue, so I assumed it was background, which in a way it is, but maybe it is more a warning that this influence could mess things up again. 44 sounds like it could refer to letting inferior people into your life, which has been a mistake of mine in the past. Could it also be referring to bad habits? And it does sound like the external influence here. What a breakthrough!
:bows:DWF:bows:
 
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:rofl: Ha! You really had me there with the controversy thing. I was all nervous. I was really expecting some passionate debate to break out on my thread... :rofl:
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Hello Clarity Members:)! I have recently been receiving a lot of instruction from the Yi to go with the flow, don't fight my fate, surrender... There was the recent casting about the boyfriend, and the Yi said, "Move on Dancing White Ferret. Surrender." Then, earlier today, I asked, "Please, give me a picture of where my life is headed." And the Yi gave me 2.6>23, which according to LiSe, is a signal that I need to stop fighting fate. Again, surrender. That fits... So, what is so great about this fate. Coming up in cards and many readings for a long time... So, I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and hopefully you all will be able to help me out with this:bows:.

I asked the Yi "What is my fate?" and the answer was 50.5>44.

This sounds quite good:), or is the Yi just being philosophical with me or something? The Yi seems to be implying a new start and good fortune fated for me:)! Followed with a return of the Inferior? Anyone have an experience with this configuration or some insight on this... The 44 sounds like a downer... Also sounds a lot like what got me off track in the first place, so I'm wondering if that could be the background here.

So, just out of curiosity, I asked, "Why is this my fate?" and I got 13 unchanging. Am I destined for some fellowship with men, or leading some special group? This answer makes me think of Frodo Baggins in the Fellowship of the Ring... Although I have a feeling I am off in my interpretation:blush:. Is it saying I'm a humanitarian or need to be?

A little off topic here, but, I've noticed the transformed hex often reflects my current situation:confused:. Not always, but when I ask questions like "where are things going this year?", or "what is my fate?" the transformed hex often sounds like what got me where I am or where I am currently... Is it possible the Yi reflects your current situation in the transformed hex, especially if the outcome is far in the future and difficult or impossible to know. Thanks in advance everyone for sharing your thoughts and experience:).

Sincerely,
:bows:DWF:bows:

And here are the ferret pics of the day:p.

There's a huge amount here to respond to, so I'll take the 50.5 becoming 44 bit. Of course hexagram 50 is the Cauldron, one of the two tangible images in the Yi and therefore a substantial place to start. You are in the midst of a huge transition and changing, or being changed, quickly and inexorably. If this is my reading, I like it, because I'm rarely adverse to changing and the implication here is change for the better, because you are part of a larger recipe that is turning into some sort of "sustenance." I call the second hexagram The Background. It isn't necessarily the past, the future, or any specific aspect of the situation. When I look at the second hexagram in relation to the first I realise it can be any number of things. Maybe a warning, maybe a hiccup, maybe the outcome, maybe my attitude [good or bad]. It is fairly instinctive to know what this means. So first, I look and not take any specified view but let the whole sense of the reading just sink in. Almost invariably, the meaning rises on its own.

In this case I relate the two main portions of the casting, and the previous casting to "go with the flow" in this way: you are a powerful person who likes to take charge of her Fate. You want to be in control [hex 44] of what's cooking [hex 50.5] and to a certain extent you can be and must be. But in your previous readings you've been shown -- don't dictate. Stir the pot and taste what's in there, don't go by some pre-ordained recipe you have in mind. The Cauldron of the Universe holds ingredients you will never imagine, so wait as they break down, combine and brew a bit. We are all little ferrets when it comes to our true understanding of what's out there and where Fate will take us. Know that what's cooking for you is very beneficial and is percolating in a jade-handled piece of crockery [extremely auspicious] so give the Universe a chance, be strong as in hex 44, but not dictatorial. In light of your previous readings to go with the flow -- perhaps use your strength and determination to keep your hands off the wheel [or the ladle] for a bit -- it may be tough, but you will benefit immeasurably. :hug:
 
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your fate is bound to kitchen. you can also invite other people (13) to taste your work :p (just kidding )
 

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your fate is bound to kitchen. you can also invite other people (13) to taste your work :p (just kidding )

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::

Have a sense that this Ferret just isn't the type! Guess again!
 
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Thank you Arabella:). That is sound advice... And that does fit with my circumstances and other readings that I've had. It's funny, I've always been criticized in the past for not being goal oriented enough, but perhaps I've gone a little to far in the other direction. I used to just stay open to things, and good things would invariably fall into my lap. And they still do, but it seems like since I have become an especially hard working person my life has become more difficult instead of easier, which is the opposite of what I was expecting. I think what you, and the Yi, are pointing out to me is the universe has an easier route for me and I'm working at cross purposes with it. This would certainly explain why all the hard work isn't paying off. Nothing against hard work, but I'm taking the initiative... Oh.... Yes, now I really get it! Oh, Arabella, you are so right:blush:. So, we fit in another piece of the puzzle:). And I do feel like it will be a little easier to trust in the universe with such an auspicious line here.:hug:
 
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Interesting..... I asked the Yi,

"How do I follow my fate?" and the Yi answered with 61.5>41. This certainly seems to fit well. I'm going to post a new thread about this though because I don't want to get this one all crazy. Insights, perceptions, thoughts, advice, etc. are of course still welcome on this thread:).

Thanks:hugs:,

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Hi DWF
I really like arabella's interpretation and I think your changes do sound positive. Yes, go with the flow and you have already backed up what arabella is saying about not following preordained recipes... "Rules, shmules" :)

With regard to the 44, it depends how you 'read' your relating hexagram but it could be a reminder of how and where you make mistakes. Use this relating hexagram to learn form your past.

In most of my readings, I've found the relating hexagram is a general description of how I got to my position. There have been a few times where it has seemed to be a future possibility instead but I do feel that Yi knows how you will interpret the answers it gives so very often, the purpose of the relating hexagram seems obvious to the questioner.

I guess this is why we are our own best interpretors. Asking for help from others is more to clarify our own thoughts or to help us think outside of the box.

Lx
 

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Thank you Arabella:). That is sound advice... And that does fit with my circumstances and other readings that I've had. It's funny, I've always been criticized in the past for not being goal oriented enough, but perhaps I've gone a little to far in the other direction. I used to just stay open to things, and good things would invariably fall into my lap. And they still do, but it seems like since I have become an especially hard working person my life has become more difficult instead of easier, which is the opposite of what I was expecting. I think what you, and the Yi, are pointing out to me is the universe has an easier route for me and I'm working at cross purposes with it. This would certainly explain why all the hard work isn't paying off. Nothing against hard work, but I'm taking the initiative... Oh.... Yes, now I really get it! Oh, Arabella, you are so right:blush:. So, we fit in another piece of the puzzle:). And I do feel like it will be a little easier to trust in the universe with such an auspicious line here.:hug:

The line is very auspicious in my experience. And with the hexagram 44 -- which is probably the most debated hexagram there is -- I would say, again from personal contact with the atmosphere that travels with 44, that you are dynamic. You make things happen -- one way or the other. Hard working isn't the issue so far as I know. A good work ethic is fine, but if you are feeling that you must exert influence this way and that way, maybe better to step back a moment and see what is forthcoming without your prompting. Just watching you on Clarity, you have such enthusiasm and energy; that surrounds you. You dive in with both feet and stir it up, learn from the entire group at once. You are a little ferret dynamo. I find that really appealing in a person and very constructive. You are like a moving ship, you are underway. So maybe the thing is, go with the wind just a bit, don't just plot a course automatically. Let the current carry you a bit and you may find horizons you'd never dreamed are there. But don't give up your energy or your hard work. They are invaluable. :hug:
 
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Thank you both:)! I think I get it now...

LSD, yes you have a good point about the rules shmules thing. I will have to stop applying that to rules that work in my favor:p.

And thank you so much Arabella :blush:. :hug::hug::hug: I think you are right about the hard work being valuable. It would be silly to stop putting effort in. But maybe I can back off a bit, wait for a good wave to catch, keep an eye out for any sharks swimming in the surrounding water. That makes sense. And your interpretation of 44 does fit well. I didn't get what you were getting at first, but now I see:).

There are certainly myriad interpretations of 44 in the hexagram index... The picture that comes to mind after reading what you have written is there's somebody just working intently, and there is this inferior element coming into the picture, and they are so caught up with whatever they are involved with, probably doing 10 things at a time, that they don't notice this danger approaching. Not only do they not see it coming, but they missed the out on whatever fate sent them to get away from it altogether:duh:.

Thanks again :bows:
 

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