50. Ting / The Caldron

[rosada]

Some thoughts I'm playing around with.

50.1 In creating, channeling, Higher (Group) Consciousness we first release all former roles, identities. All are welcome in the creation process. The more involved, the more evolved the Group Creation.

50.2 The one most central in the Group Consciousness (Thanks to meng for the central idea).

50.3 The intention of Higher Group Consciousness is hampered by not having a body.

50.4 So people of various beliefs come together to serve, to be the eyes and hands of Higher Consciousness. At first there are many accidents.

50.5 Ultimately it all works out. Everyone knows their place and is happy with their lot.

50.6 At last The Group Consciousness is known by it's group or team name.

 

[meng]

I think gold carrying rings is an overkill, and not nearly as utilitarian as brass or iron. So the meaning must be symbolic. I'd assume it is to honor the prince, but also guests and gods (ancestors). Even the cauldron itself is honored with gold.

Another thing is the central position of the golden mean (a well balanced ting, by contrast to the tipsy line 4). Wilhelm calls him modest but I like central better.

 

[my_key]

After the changes induced in 50.3 and the growing pains of 50.4 we now seem to have arrived at 50.5 where the centre of your being is starting to settle into it's new role. You are able to carry the brilliance of the new you. It's early days, but you are beginning to be comfortable with, acceptable of and working with the new aspects of your character.

Things are now simmering nicely. We don't need the heat up too high at all or else the stew will start to catch and stick to the bottom of the pot.

Mike

 

[ravenstar]

Nine in the fourth place means:

The legs of the TING are broken.
The prince's meal is spilled
And his person is soiled.
Misfortune.

A man has a difficult and responsible task {posting the hexagrams}
to which he is not adequate.{}
Moreover, he does not devote himself to it with all his strength but goes about with inferior people {}; therefore the execution of the work fails.
In this way he also incurs personal opprobrium.
Confucius says about this line: "Weak character coupled with honored place, meager knowledge with large plans, limited powers with heavy responsibility, will seldom escape disaster." {}

This line stands in the relationship of correspondence to the six in the beginning, the line suggesting the upturned legs of a TING. The latter situation is not of grave import, for the TING is still empty; here however, the matter is serious, since the TING contains food. It is therefore not simply an overturning: the legs of the TING are broken, and the prince's meal is spilled. In conformity with the place, there should be a relationship with the ruler of the hexagram, the six in the fifth place, either that of holding together or that of receiving. But the relationship with the six at the beginning interferes. This points to a disastrous split between character and position, between knowledge and aspirations, between strength and responsibility {}.

I'd like to go back to the 4th line of 50 as well as the comment Frank made in his last post.....

Quote=frank_r As the 4th line is the line of the heart, the 3th is the line of the kidney the Will.To know what to do with your Will power.
The 3th line is the most ambitious line and is connected with hexagram 15. The hexagram of being modest.

Clear Hearing(as Janice wrote) is connected with the kidney and with this third line. Where the seeing, visualising part is done by the 4th line because the eye is more connected with the heart.

Metaphysically, weakness or injury to the 'legs' has to with problems of 'taking a stand' both actively as well as receptively.

If the ground one is walking or standing on isn't balanced, others can see it in the way this person walks. He or she may take small, uncertain steps or trip and stumble as they move along. They lack an inner stability that could lead to a breakdown which could cause them to lose vast amounts of energy in the process. If you do not have a handle on your inner tensions....the inner tensions will handle you and convert your life into constant nervous conflict.

One of the causes of inner stability can be from feeling unsupported from others as well as the inner support built within oneself. This inner system is made up of psychological and 'emotional' beliefs.......together they give a person meaning and purpose. If emotional support or spirtual/religious beliefs fail us we have nothing to hold us upright.

Also, the legs are locked into the thighs which have to do with our past which may be fraught with traumatic childhood memories, anger, resentment......as well as sexuality and intimacy which we initially learned from the attitudes of our parents.

For some, to see clairvoyantly is easily done, for others it's like building up muscle tone, it take time and practice. The area between our two eyes is known as the third eye, this is the 'eye' of the true self. If we fear spiritual sight, persecution or criticism from others, this 'eye' will have trouble opening. Letting go of our fears and paying attention to the people and things around us helps us to notice the many details around us. Being in the moment allow us to absorb and remember details that our spiritual guidance can assess in the future when needed.

The act of 'Will' described by Frank is what holds us up. The third chakra is the 'softest' part of our body.....without the 'Will' we collapse. The Heart reflects Love for oneself and for others.....if we do not love or respect ourselves how can we reach out to others??

Again I reach out to Frank and Charly for their wisdom.

I do think that it is in the heart region our basic emotions are changed to 'true feelings'....but if blocked it makes one become closed and distant.

ravenstar

 

[frank_r]

Exactly one year ago we were at the last line of 17.6. Almost in 18. With the 4th line changing we are in 18. And is X-mas and new year not a time we are aware of our history with our parents and family?
This is the time that it is visible how our relations are with this basic part of our history.
With going to 17 and 18 we went back to our own history. With 49 and 50 we came out of this history and we are going to the future. Now we can see how the travelling through history was, and can set new goals.

With the change of the 5th line the upper nucleus and the upper trigram are both heaven.
The trigram of refinement, now we are refining more and more what already started some time ago.
Here we come in 44 the hexagram of our instincts. This line stands under control of hexagram 8 the searching of soul affinity.
This changing yin line is as a mild and wise King. The character from this line is as Han Boering writes: "The whole is larger than the sum of the parts" The interaction between all the parts is what counts.

The finding of people with common grounds is best done with our instincts and doing this will bring new erea's to the light.

Frank

 

[ravenstar]

Exactly one year ago we were at the last line of 17.6. Almost in 18. With the 4th line changing we are in 18. And is X-mas and new year not a time we are aware of our history with our parents and family?
This is the time that it is visible how our relations are with this basic part of our history.
With going to 17 and 18 we went back to our own history. With 49 and 50 we came out of this history and we are going to the future. Now we can see how the travelling through history was, and can set new goals.

With the change of the 5th line the upper nucleus and the upper trigram are both heaven.
The trigram of refinement, now we are refining more and more what already started some time ago.
Here we come in 44 the hexagram of our instincts. This line stands under control of hexagram 8 the searching of soul affinity.
This changing yin line is as a mild and wise King. The character from this line is as Han Boering writes: "The whole is larger than the sum of the parts" The interaction between all the parts is what counts.

The finding of people with common grounds is best done with our instincts and doing this will bring new erea's to the light.

Frank

Thank you Frank, as always you're guidance is helping me to understand the hexagrams and their connections. You mentioned above that 49 and 50 is about coming out of our own history and moving to the future. Does this mean that as we understand the different jigsaw pieces that put us together, we begin to understand the intentions of our soul and purpose in this lifetime? We understand why we chose the parents we did and the earlier circumstances we encountered that would help us search and develop along certain lines? As we gather with family whom we may not have seen since last year, do we with detachment, begin looking at our parents and seeing the paths they've been on and that We are a product of these two experiences which now gives us a different perspective, helping us to begin developing our own choices and actions. Is this a Major Shift in our thinking?.....

Is this what you mean (with the change of the 5th line) 'refining more and more what we started some time ago? You mention instincts but is this also where we feel or intuit a deeper purpose to why we do what we do at certain times? Are we focusing on being conscious, more interested in developing ourselves as well as serving others?

There is within the ears an area called the Labyrinth, http://www.theodora.com/anatomy/the_internal_ear_or_labyrinth.html This labyrinth consists of three semicircular canals, each at an acute angle to each other. Fluid actually moves between these canals and signal to the brain the balance and position of the head and body. All this keeps us upright, centered, and clear in the direction we want to go in. It is a balance between heaven and earth as well as a balance between our self and others. It is a balance between opposites, a balance of both inner and outer.

ravenstar

 

[frank_r]

Thank you Frank, as always you're guidance is helping me to understand the hexagrams and their connections. You mentioned above that 49 and 50 is about coming out of our own history and moving to the future. Does this mean that as we understand the different jigsaw pieces that put us together, we begin to understand the intentions of our soul and purpose in this lifetime? We understand why we chose the parents we did and the earlier circumstances we encountered that would help us search and develop along certain lines? As we gather with family whom we may not have seen since last year, do we with detachment, begin looking at our parents and seeing the paths they've been on and that We are a product of these two experiences which now gives us a different perspective, helping us to begin developing our own choices and actions. Is this a Major Shift in our thinking?.....

Is this what you mean (with the change of the 5th line) 'refining more and more what we started some time ago? You mention instincts but is this also where we feel or intuit a deeper purpose to why we do what we do at certain times? Are we focusing on being conscious, more interested in developing ourselves as well as serving others?



ravenstar

Hello Janice,

For me with this 5th line there is a refinement in the sense of how you can watch things devellop. Especially with this time around x-mas, there you see how things in the family are, or other matters that are in the more deeper part of yourself. This are the seeds that will come to life in the coming year.

Some days ago the Mother of my brother in law died, and I went to the funeral. But after the funeral I only saw my sister very short. Because my planning was to tight and I had to go home early I had a bad feeling after this funeral.
This feeling made some parts visible. Now I saw that I was not satisfied with myself and before I didn't want to see this part. When I was young I then had arguments with my sister and blamed her for this feeling.
The refinement for me is that I start to see how I always worked around this feelings.

There is within the ears an area called the Labyrinth, http://www.theodora.com/anatomy/the_internal_ear_or_labyrinth.html This labyrinth consists of three semicircular canals, each at an acute angle to each other. Fluid actually moves between these canals and signal to the brain the balance and position of the head and body. All this keeps us upright, centered, and clear in the direction we want to go in. It is a balance between heaven and earth as well as a balance between our self and others. It is a balance between opposites, a balance of both inner and outer.

Interesting site you were quoting, but how did you come to the step to make a connection with refinement, family and the labyrint of the inner ear? What is the inner ear for you?

Frank

BTW Rosada, what was that about this "time" message. Yesterday it was on the site and this morning it was not there anymore. Something about a very strange time shift? Looked very interesting what you wrote. Can you repeat a little bit about what happened to you?

 

[rosada]

Hi Frank,
Thanks for asking. So many disconnected thoughts swirling. I can't stabilize them. (actually feel dizzy, inner ear!) I'll try to share my thinking, but it's hard to explain the connections...
In my earlier post I was refering to the fact that I felt I had started a shift posting 50.5 a bit ahead of what might have been the expected schedule. Then in your post you made a reference to 17.6 saying we had been at that line last year at this time. But actually we were at that line two years ago in December of 2006. I saw this typo as somehow being connected with my first having speeded up our timing when I posted 50.5 a bit early.I had this huge Ah Ha! I actually experienced how time is all connected and how if one person speeds time up it's not so easy to then slow things down. Like the sun being dragged accross the sky by the galloping horses, if you lose control it's not so easy to Hold Your Horses, maintain the steady vibration.

In this spin of relative time I saw how people I am close to now are the reincarnation of relationships I've also had in former times. A girl friend here can somehow be playing the role of my sister in Pasadena. It seems to me 50.4 talks about some one who was a King in a former life can be the servant in this one. As I said, I'm still confused by these thoughts.

So far:

50.1 All former karma, all former relationships dissolved. All are welcome at face value.
50.2 We are where we are by right of consciousness.
50.3 No previous reputation to help open doors.
50.4 Who's the king? Who's the servant? We work it out.
50.5 We all support each other's realities, we work together as one.
50.6 team spirit?

Eventually this leads to 51 where we see ourselves as independent individuals again only this time around the awareness of our innate separation is not so scary as it was in former times as in 50 we have learned we are members of a team. So the shock of separation is not so bad because now we know we're part of something greater than just ourselves, something greater that cares about us: The Team. And so this time we can continue without dropping the spoon and chalice, our sacred duty to maintain our responsibility to The One Group Consciousness.

 

[ravenstar]

Hello Janice,

For me with this 5th line there is a refinement in the sense of how you can watch things devellop. Especially with this time around x-mas, there you see how things in the family are, or other matters that are in the more deeper part of yourself. This are the seeds that will come to life in the coming year.

Some days ago the Mother of my brother in law died, and I went to the funeral. But after the funeral I only saw my sister very short. Because my planning was to tight and I had to go home early I had a bad feeling after this funeral.
This feeling made some parts visible. Now I saw that I was not satisfied with myself and before I didn't want to see this part. When I was young I then had arguments with my sister and blamed her for this feeling.
The refinement for me is that I start to see how I always worked around this feelings.



Interesting site you were quoting, but how did you come to the step to make a connection with refinement, family and the labyrint of the inner ear? What is the inner ear for you?

Frank

Just to help in answering Mengs question before answering Franks, Gold is a powerful warm masculine color, often in keeping with the Sun which dispels darkness, it also uplifts and expands the Self upward and out. It's healing energy of love allows us to expand from a consciousness of pain, hurt, guilt, blame, etc. helping us to integrate into a new form of unity. Gold has been known to dominate a person's personality.

Frank.....

I’m so sorry Frank. I can truly feel your pain of losing ‘family’ and so close to a time when togetherness and happiness are to be enjoyed. My condolences to you, your sister, brother-in-law and family.

I looked up the meaning of refinement, one jumped out at me, ‘removing impurities’….these impurities could also take on the name of the shadow, named by Carl Jung. The shaodw can damage our spirit and keeps us from fulfilling our dreams. It is our dark side, deep within our consciousness hidden from ourselves and others. Congratulations Frank, you embraced what was hidden inside you and ‘saw’ what you’ve kept holding onto all these years. You must have experienced a flow of energy with this new realization.

I liked what rosada said ‘so many disconnected thoughts swirling….it fits nicely with my own whirling thoughts…..

For others understanding....

The middle ear is what churns out rhythms, patterns and pulses to the inner ear which hides within the hard bones of the skull. These vibrations travel into a liquid filled spiral tube that looks like a shell….its name is cochlea which is actually the latin word for snail. The cochlea transforms the vibratory elements of Air and Earth into the element of Water. If we were able to look at this part of the ear it would look like a swirling vortex, similar to a bubbling brook or rushing stream.

Each of our senses, hearing, sight, touch, etc. have a higher spiritual connection which gives us insight and guidance to the people and the world around us. With the ears, sound patterns make a long chemical and electrical journey through different nerve endings to the ‘hearing’ brain area. Here the Fire element comes alive as electrical charges leap across the caverns between nerve cells. The ears I’ve discovered do seem to have the ability to perform an alchemical mixture of gathering, transforming and reforming vibrations.

These vibrations, I do believe do not just come from the outer world. They come from our inner world too….our cells are constantly talking to one other. They can create intensely mixed feelings, clarity and/or confusion….depending on which nerves (emotions) have been stimulated. When we are ‘seeing clearly’, these vibrations within us hum like an orchestra, a sonic vibration that awakens and ignites the right and left brain function. If everything is in a synchronistic flow, we see, know, understand and coupled with wisdom (whispered guidance) are able to refine our thinking.

Whatever we see or hear, whatever emotions we are experiencing with others, the thoughts that were originally put in our minds, came from our own perception of them. The journey of life is seldom a straight road but a labyrinth of many twists and turns…..a direct symbolism of the narrow tunnels leading to the inner ear.

That’s the best I can describe this Frank. What are your thoughts???

ravenstar

 

[rodaki]

what an amazing text Ravenstar, couldn't help feeling lighter as I was going through it
really beautiful . . .

:bows:
rodaki

 

[meng]

Just to help in answering Mengs question before answering Franks, Gold is a powerful warm masculine color, often in keeping with the Sun which dispels darkness, it also uplifts and expands the Self upward and out. It's healing energy of love allows us to expand from a consciousness of pain, hurt, guilt, blame, etc. helping us to integrate into a new form of unity. Gold has been known to dominate a person's personality.

Frank.....

I’m so sorry Frank. I can truly feel your pain of losing ‘family’ and so close to a time when togetherness and happiness are to be enjoyed. My condolences to you, your sister, brother-in-law and family.

I looked up the meaning of refinement, one jumped out at me, ‘removing impurities’….these impurities could also take on the name of the shadow, named by Carl Jung. The shaodw can damage our spirit and keeps us from fulfilling our dreams. It is our dark side, deep within our consciousness hidden from ourselves and others. Congratulations Frank, you embraced what was hidden inside you and ‘saw’ what you’ve kept holding onto all these years. You must have experienced a flow of energy with this new realization.

I liked what rosada said ‘so many disconnected thoughts swirling….it fits nicely with my own whirling thoughts…..

For others understanding....

The middle ear is what churns out rhythms, patterns and pulses to the inner ear which hides within the hard bones of the skull. These vibrations travel into a liquid filled spiral tube that looks like a shell….its name is cochlea which is actually the latin word for snail. The cochlea transforms the vibratory elements of Air and Earth into the element of Water. If we were able to look at this part of the ear it would look like a swirling vortex, similar to a bubbling brook or rushing stream.

Each of our senses, hearing, sight, touch, etc. have a higher spiritual connection which gives us insight and guidance to the people and the world around us. With the ears, sound patterns make a long chemical and electrical journey through different nerve endings to the ‘hearing’ brain area. Here the Fire element comes alive as electrical charges leap across the caverns between nerve cells. The ears I’ve discovered do seem to have the ability to perform an alchemical mixture of gathering, transforming and reforming vibrations.

These vibrations, I do believe do not just come from the outer world. They come from our inner world too….our cells are constantly talking to one other. They can create intensely mixed feelings, clarity and/or confusion….depending on which nerves (emotions) have been stimulated. When we are ‘seeing clearly’, these vibrations within us hum like an orchestra, a sonic vibration that awakens and ignites the right and left brain function. If everything is in a synchronistic flow, we see, know, understand and coupled with wisdom (whispered guidance) are able to refine our thinking.

Whatever we see or hear, whatever emotions we are experiencing with others, the thoughts that were originally put in our minds, came from our own perception of them. The journey of life is seldom a straight road but a labyrinth of many twists and turns…..a direct symbolism of the narrow tunnels leading to the inner ear.

That’s the best I can describe this Frank. What are your thoughts???

ravenstar

Great stuff. :bows:

 

[meng]

The middle ear is what churns out rhythms, patterns and pulses to the inner ear which hides within the hard bones of the skull. These vibrations travel into a liquid filled spiral tube that looks like a shell….its name is cochlea which is actually the latin word for snail. The cochlea transforms the vibratory elements of Air and Earth into the element of Water. If we were able to look at this part of the ear it would look like a swirling vortex, similar to a bubbling brook or rushing stream.

What a cool visual. As an improv guitar hack, it's very difficult to say in words where the sounds originate from, because you hear it from the inside before hearing it on the outside, and somewhere in the middle of that you are actually playing it. Like the man walking in front of the icebreaker ship, some part of the psyche or spirit is going out ahead of the forward striding body.

Yes, everything inside is communicating and interacting. The bubbly stew called consciousness.

 

[meng]

What role, if any, has precognition within a hex. 50 context?

 

[lucia]

"...it's very difficult to say in words where the sounds originate from, because you hear it from the inside before hearing it on the outside, and somewhere in the middle of that you are actually playing it. Like the man walking in front of the icebreaker ship, some part of the psyche or spirit is going out ahead of the forward striding body."

I confess that I am not a great fan of psychology but throughout this thread I am constantly reminded of Vygotsky (who for me is far more interesting than any other psychological theorists). Vygotsky suggested that 'mind extends beyond the skin' which nicely rocks the boat of the cartesian individual/social dichotomy and places us/our minds in a web of culture, environment and each other that is mutually and multiply influential.

In other words it ain't just in your head.........!

Lucia

 

[maremaria]

Ravenstar and Frank , thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Really interesting things you have said here. Some dots have been connected in my mind.


Meng asked : What role, if any, has precognition within a hex. 50 context?

I see precognition, foreknowledge, intuition like dot spread here and there. They have an inhered value but maybe if we can’t connect those dots and “draw” the resulting image then those values stays frozen.
Can we see precognitions as the ingredients of the stew, the dots? If yes, then what is that that draws the lines and connect them? From where the recipe comes from? Or they are the recipe ?

 

[ravenstar]

What a cool visual. As an improv guitar hack, it's very difficult to say in words where the sounds originate from, because you hear it from the inside before hearing it on the outside, and somewhere in the middle of that you are actually playing it. Like the man walking in front of the icebreaker ship, some part of the psyche or spirit is going out ahead of the forward striding body.

Yes, everything inside is communicating and interacting. The bubbly stew called consciousness.

Thank you Rodaki, your posts, especially the most recent, 14 Smiles has definitely guided me and everyone else to understand the hexagrams and their connections. Your insights are very appreciated :bows:

meng, talk of visuals.....Wow! your unique quote above

Like the man walking in front of the icebreaker ship, some part of the psyche or spirit is going out ahead of the forward striding body

definitely spoke to me and resonates with the connection of sound and body. Spot on!

And Lucia, you said.....

I confess that I am not a great fan of psychology but throughout this thread I am constantly reminded of Vygotsky (who for me is far more interesting than any other psychological theorists). Vygotsky suggested that 'mind extends beyond the skin' which nicely rocks the boat of the cartesian individual/social dichotomy and places us/our minds in a web of culture, environment and each other that is mutually and multiply influential.

Another wow! I've not heard of Vygotsky.....your influential post makes me want to know more about his theories. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Vygotsky shows he was born during the late 1800's an incredible historical period indeed!

All of you have made me realize the potential and importance of the ripple effect of group relationships.....especially involvement. This definitely is vibrating towards 50.6, as rosada mentioned, team spirit!

ravenstar

 

[ravenstar]

Ravenstar and Frank , thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Really interesting things you have said here. Some dots have been connected in my mind.


Meng asked : What role, if any, has precognition within a hex. 50 context?

I see precognition, foreknowledge, intuition like dot spread here and there. They have an inhered value but maybe if we can’t connect those dots and “draw” the resulting image then those values stays frozen.
Can we see precognitions as the ingredients of the stew, the dots? If yes, then what is that that draws the lines and connect them? From where the recipe comes from? Or they are the recipe ?

What an interesting question Maria!!!

I wanted to attach an image but couldn't figure out how maybe someone could help me....

I think the main ingredient to precognition has to do with the right motivation, love and goodwill to others. When our mind is filled with these we are open to intuitive feelings, images, sounds, etc. that always seems to give us answers to our questions. It's as if we are connected and open to every object and every living thing in the universe and they, in turn, are connected to us.

I think that whether we realize it or not, we picture activities in our mind before doing them. If I plan to cook a stew, I usually visualize what's going in it before proceeding to cook it. As we begin to direct our thoughts and actions it seems to set off a current of energy which combines and reacts to 'similar energy currents' set up by other people and events. Symbols are constantly happening all around us giving us clues and guidance. All we need is to be attentive to them and learn from them.

Carl Jung believed we are each a part of a synchronized whole.....that there is a magical blending of time, space and energy that impacts and affects everyone else. The soul he has also said, travels freely of any time table. I think one of the major dots you speak of is learning to open our minds to symbolic language. And we are doing just that with these memorizing threads. They bring us knowledge and knowledge brings freedom, freedom from the bonds that seem to hold or tie us up with routine. It's like it unlocks a passageway, an invisible door that joins the conscious self with inner wisdom.

ravenstar

 

[rodaki]

hello everyone
Ravenstar, thank you for your nice words -actually I would like to take the time and thank everyone here for sharing in all ways possible, I have nothing but respect for all of you . .
It has been due to the Yi and all of your comments, suggestions, knowledge that I have been finding me out and beyond what I knew as myself; none of it would have happened without this community and I am grateful for all of it

now to the more practical issues: Ravenstar, if the image was online, then you use the button with the mountain image, right next to that for quoting
if it was from your computer you'll have to attach it using the small paperclip that's on the upper line, next to the emoticons button

rodaki

 

[maremaria]

Ravenstar , I agree to most of your sayings.

Some years ago I had two invitations from two very closed friends. There were celebrating something special and I wanted to be with them. But the problem was that those different events were in the same day, same time at different locations. I had a big problem and was thinking and thinking how to make it. The choice to be only at one was out of questions for me. One day, thinking about it, full of anxiety, I heard a voice saying “don’t have to worry, the (event A) won’t happen.. At that moment, I felt all my anxiety go away. Problem solved !!!

Rationally my problem was not solved, my mind didn’t have the facts, information to conclude that there was a solution but without knowing ( rationally) I knew that there was not a problem anymore. Although I had in the past some others similar incidence, still the mind could not accept it, because it didn’t make sense. There were not signs that this event would be canceled. . But my worries about that issue didn’t come back, because problem was solved, according to that voice.. For the record the voice was right. The event A was canceled.

So, when we speak about mind, maybe we don’t talk about our rational but about something else something that I’m not able to define. But the feeling is that we pause the mind and trust that “other thing”

Meng, how do you see the role of precognitions at hex. 50 ?

 

[meng]

Maria - "To know the seeds (dots?), that's divine indeed." Your dots analogy also appears as 64 hexagrams.

I think that whether we realize it or not, we picture activities in our mind before doing them.

The Yi described itself to Jung as hex 50. 50 says that consolidating fate/destiny is a matter of correcting fate before it happens. Precognition may not reveal a completed picture, but it presents a still fluid means of shaping life.

 

[ravenstar]

The Yi described itself to Jung as hex 50. 50 says that consolidating fate/destiny is a matter of correcting fate before it happens. Precognition may not reveal a completed picture, but it presents a still fluid means of shaping life.

Hmm, yes it did. Apparently Jung began with the 2nd and third line because they hold special emphasis. I just found his actual quote on this hex....

"The answer given to these two salient lines to the question I put to the I Ching requires no particular subtlety for its interpretation, no artifices and no unusual knowledge. Anyone with a little common sense can understand the meaning of the answer; it is the answer of one who has a good opinion of himself, but whose value is neither generally recognized nor even widely known. The answering subject has an interesting notion of itself; it looks upon itself as a vessel in which sacrifical offerings are brought to the gods, ritual food for their nourishment. It conceives of itself as a cult utensil serving to provide spiritual nourishment for the unconscious elements or forces (spiritual agencies) that have been projected as gods - in other words, to give these forces the attention they need in order to play their part in the life of the individual." Carl Jung

His interpretation of the 5th line (golden handles) shows that I Ching does indeed has a new way of grasping the vessel and through one's own perseverance able to understand it.

Wow! Thanks meng!

Thanks to rodaki, I'll tried the button with the paperclip but nothing happened what am I doing wrong?

ravenstar

 

[rodaki]

Thanks to rodaki, I'll tried the button with the paperclip but nothing happened what am I doing wrong?

ahm . . not sure . . it should open a new window called 'Manage Attachments' which works like the regular email attachment function . .uch:
(sorry for intervening in this discussion with technical posts)
:bag:

 

[frank_r]

For others understanding....

The middle ear is what churns out rhythms, patterns and pulses to the inner ear which hides within the hard bones of the skull. These vibrations travel into a liquid filled spiral tube that looks like a shell….its name is cochlea which is actually the latin word for snail. The cochlea transforms the vibratory elements of Air and Earth into the element of Water. If we were able to look at this part of the ear it would look like a swirling vortex, similar to a bubbling brook or rushing stream.

Each of our senses, hearing, sight, touch, etc. have a higher spiritual connection which gives us insight and guidance to the people and the world around us. With the ears, sound patterns make a long chemical and electrical journey through different nerve endings to the ‘hearing’ brain area. Here the Fire element comes alive as electrical charges leap across the caverns between nerve cells. The ears I’ve discovered do seem to have the ability to perform an alchemical mixture of gathering, transforming and reforming vibrations.

These vibrations, I do believe do not just come from the outer world. They come from our inner world too….our cells are constantly talking to one other. They can create intensely mixed feelings, clarity and/or confusion….depending on which nerves (emotions) have been stimulated. When we are ‘seeing clearly’, these vibrations within us hum like an orchestra, a sonic vibration that awakens and ignites the right and left brain function. If everything is in a synchronistic flow, we see, know, understand and coupled with wisdom (whispered guidance) are able to refine our thinking.

Whatever we see or hear, whatever emotions we are experiencing with others, the thoughts that were originally put in our minds, came from our own perception of them. The journey of life is seldom a straight road but a labyrinth of many twists and turns…..a direct symbolism of the narrow tunnels leading to the inner ear.

That’s the best I can describe this Frank. What are your thoughts???

ravenstar

Hello Ravenstar,

A beautifull description of the inner ear and the inner proces of the cells.
When there is a problem of the inner ear you get problems as Ménière's disease(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ménière's_disease) or tinnitus, thats the sound of ongoing buzzing in the ears.
In TCM language this are both Kidney Yin deficiency problems.
Kidney belongs to the element of water. The water is then to empty and cannot control Fire. So the language between the cells is the only thing people are hearing. The inner world is making to much noise.
The yang(fire) is making water fierce, the bubbling brook or rushing stream becomes now a dangerous very loud river.

Frank

 

[rosada]

I think it would be appropriate for the names of a few Great Souls to be mentioned at this line:

Buddha.
Jesus.

If anyone cares to add a name or two, even your own, please feel free. If you're wondering why in the world I''m doing this, please just tolerate me. I'm not too clear. It's something along the lines of our group consciousness connecting with/creating
a Higher Consciousness like a chorus of carolers creates The Spirit of Christmas.

I think of how electricity travels through water and I think of The Caldron as capable of that same sort of instant distribution of knowingness amongst all who contribute to The Soup. So yeah, meng, 50 has a lot to say about precongnition and telepathy and channeling too.

 

[ravenstar]

I think it would be appropriate for the names of a few Great Souls to be mentioned at this line:

Buddha.
Jesus.

If anyone cares to add a name or two, even your own, please feel free. If you're wondering why in the world I''m doing this, please just tolerate me. I'm not too clear. It's something along the lines of our group consciousness connecting with/creating
a Higher Consciousness like a chorus of carolers creates The Spirit of Christmas.

I think of how electricity travels through water and I think of The Caldron as capable of that same sort of instant distribution of knowingness amongst all who contribute to The Soup. So yeah, meng, 50 has a lot to say about precongnition and telepathy and channeling too.

Ohh I think I know where you're going with this rosada, I'll add.....

Edgar Cayce
Carl Jung
Mona Lisa Schulz
Hermes/Mercury
Thoth
Apollo
Aphrodites

to the pot

ravenstar

 

[maremaria]

Socrates

 

[my_key]

Hi All
Just to pick up on Rosada's comment on Group/higher consciousness. 2008 has been a really weird year for me, quite a journey in many respects filled with many Meng-type funeral moments, but what I have been struck by is the appropriateness to my personal situations of comments in the threads I choose to look at here on Clarity. It's been very much like someone has been pointing me to understandings not only from the posts in exploring divination but also in the shared readings section.

I feel that I have been priveledged and have joined in on some pretty amazing journeys here and linked with a great group of teachers. If we are now plugging this thread in to the highest socket we can then lets put a call out for all the angels, archangels, the ascended masters and WakanTanka himself.

Meng asked : What role, if any, has precognition within a hex. 50 context?

When I saw this question from Meng I got hung up on a picture of us all being a vacuum cleaner. At the start of your life it's set to suck so you hoover up the dirt and dust on autopilot. It clogs everything up and you have no way of seeing beyond the layers of dust and the dust storm.

During the 50 process / moments as the vacuum cleaner is switched off the noise reduces, things settle and the vacuum bag is emptied .....it allows room. Peace and harmony take the place of chaos and discord. Other information that has been drowned by all the other noise and swirling dust finds it's way to the front. As we become cleaner and purer we conceive things that have always been there but we have been to busy on auto suck to hear/see.

Not quite as pretty a picture as the inner ear from Ravenstar, but hey every picture tells a story in the massive Multiplex of The Soup.

Mike

 

[ravenstar]

Oh my gosh I think I figured out the attachment! I had to unblock my popup link! Duh!

This painting (sorry it's black and white) is by Wojciech Fanor, Number 17, 1963. I tried to find it on the internet but was unable. It seems he numbered his paintings instead of naming them.

The painting looks like we're looking right into the pot! The soft focus it produces definitely does something to my eyes and mind..it also seems to ground me but allows my spirit to soar......I can see different images flowing up and out from its inner center.

ravenstar

p.s. Thanks rodaki

 

[meng]

Ravenstar, this site doesn't host images uploaded from your computer. But you can use a free image hosting site, such as http://photobucket.com , and then when you post the link to your jpg, it will show up here.

 

[meng]

Mike, had to laugh at auto suck vacuum. I kinda see that as part of the 45 process, where everything is "sucked in", the dust along with the coins from the sofa. I think the idea of 50 being a time of purifying is right on, and that relates with the need of a temple in 45, a place of purification.

On a personal note, I've only received 6 change lines at once once in my life, and that was this year, when I received 50 changing to 3. I've spent a lot of time on 50 this year, and some of the ideas that have come up on this thread has tickled me down to my toes.