52,3 and loyalty.

[kiri]

What does 52,3 say about loyalty and desire?

Nine in the third place means:
Keeping his hips still.
Making his sacrum stiff.
Dangerous. The heart suffocates.

It seems like a huge control over the overwhelming desire, does that indicate a loyalty, assuming it is directed towards an object of desire.

mucho gracias.

 

[willowfox]

It says that he has become very hard hearted, therefore he no longer has any loyalty or desires, they have all been suppressed and turned to hatred/anger(certainly very unfriendly feelings).

 

[kiri]

That seems correct/ when I asked IC again, about how I should proceed with him, I got the same 52,3 as well as another moving line, I forgot. But i am not angry with him nor hate him.

i asked if he will resume chasing me, it says 22.5.6 to 63. it seems like a positive sign because clearly he has not moved on.

 

[willowfox]

When you asked how you should proceed with him and got line 52.3, it was simply telling you to keep your distance from him, have no contact with him at all.

As for 22.5,6 > 63 I don't think that he will be back, I think he knows it is finished and that he is on a loser.

 

[kiri]

that is not accurate at all! maybe i should be the one to interpret because i understand my situation best and how the symbolisms fit. I am not the "magnificence and luxury chaser" that you deem as "loser", maybe it is you
by the way i have asked spiritualsts and they know it is not finished. I am just looking for a neutral interpretation of the hexagram and not what you think my situation is or want it to end up..

i read 22.5 as discarding the image of wanting magnificence and luxury and walking down the simple path. And by the way, "lowlands" does not necessarily mean the questor, it coud mean bad or nasty detractors or friends.

 

[willowfox]

Okay fine, you do your own interpretations in future and don't ask for any more advice from me, go see your spiritualist buddies.

Call me a loser you cheeky B****!

 

[willowfox]

When you can understand what the text says and exactly what I meant by loser( as in a waste of time, likely to get nowhere, not worth the effort, too many problems etc) then I will deem you sufficiently intelligent enough to reply to once again!


Edited to make the message clearer.

 

[willowfox]

not what you think my situation is or want it to end up..

Personally I don't give a damn how your stupid situation ends up, I was only relaying what I consider the IC to be saying. I know exactly how your silly situation is going to end and it is not what you think. Better in future you rely on your spirits, ghosts and ghoulies to give you the advice that you "want" to hear!

Also, you have not paid a single penny toward our expenses but you have the cheek to be rude and insulting to the hand that feeds you. Go get your Ouija board out and talk with your dead chums. Brain dead talks with the living dead, new movie but I going to give it a miss.

 

[Trojina]

What does 52,3 say about loyalty and desire?

Nine in the third place means:
Keeping his hips still.
Making his sacrum stiff.
Dangerous. The heart suffocates.

It seems like a huge control over the overwhelming desire, does that indicate a loyalty, assuming it is directed towards an object of desire.

mucho gracias.

I think it talks about stifling desire to an unhealthy degree. Thats what the line says explicitly. Like someone who has 'cut their heart off from their loins' or something like that. IOW someone stifling sexual desire because their mind deems it wrong or at least not appropriate. If you look under 'search' and look in the hexagram index i think i once started a whole thread on 52.3, theres lots in there anyway. What does it say about loyalty ? Well you have to take the image of the line and apply it to your situation. Noone can do that for you becasue they don't know your situation as you pointed out. Somewhere inthe situation someone is cutting themselves in half, seperating their true desires from what they think they should do and it is not a good thing , it hurts them, i think the line says 'the heart is suffocated'. Having said that I find this line comes up when one really has no reasonable choice other than to stifle ones desires..like when one really has the hots for ones best friends husband and they are quite happy together and one must not engage in desireful thoughts . Thats where loyalty might come in with the line. Loyalty to the friend may be the thing that stops one going ahead and seducing her husband...but one would still suffer all the frustration.

So you are right there is huge control over a desire and this control may well be linked to loyalty

 

[Trojina]

that is not accurate at all! maybe i should be the one to interpret because i understand my situation best and how the symbolisms fit..

Yes exactly. Your answer will be personal to you, we can't know how it will fit, thats for you to figure out. Here people just share their take on your answer in case it helps, not to give you interpretations that must be 'accurate'.

 

[Trojina]

Also, you have not paid a single penny toward our expenses but you have the cheek to be rude and insulting to the hand that feeds you..

good thinking Wfox ! Expenses ! Okay I want tea and biscuit expenses, and of course expenses for my Clarity uniform I always wear when answering queries, plus some heating expenses and er travel expenses because i wear out my shoe leather travelling with the tea and biscuits from the kitchen to the computer..there must be more...

 

[willowfox]

I think that we deserve "tip money" for our services, free meals and drinks and a fully paid holiday once a year, somewhere exotic of course and free medical care.

 

[Trojina]

Absolutely !

 

[kiri]

Hey, sorry for butting into my own thread again. glad it has taken a lightheated mood. I dont like upsetting anyone, and sorry, I thought you were calling moi a loser.

now, serious a bit.. if we askers are like littl trolls that are fed, it deems the interpreters our ICmummies/daddies. Does it not show that "kids should be seen and not heard"? i mean, this is a new age, we're not supposed to be spoon fed and swallow the food whole, though ideally yes.

And, to agree with your assessment, willow, is to accept the words you wrote - alot of it is incongruent to my situation.. like never see someone again.. now is that an order?

I tesed the iching, and got some good answers. they are not all bad answers, i believe things are not set in stone especially for relationships.

Trojan, thanks for your interpretation on the heart suffocating. It is a right assessment, because of repressed desires.. the person clearly has not moved on, and i only post negative hexagrams as positive ones i know how to read them.


tip money paid in pixels is okay by me.!
good day

 

[meng]

now, serious a bit.. if we askers are like littl trolls that are fed, it deems the interpreters our ICmummies/daddies. Does it not show that "kids should be seen and not heard"? i mean, this is a new age, we're not supposed to be spoon fed and swallow the food whole, though ideally yes.

Unfortunately, many who come through here for interpretations want exactly that: spoon fed, easy two-dimensional answers, and the less thinking they must do on their own, the better they like the answer.

But that does not reflect every one who asks, nor every one who offers an interpretation. I have no interest in helping anyone who doesn't wish to help themselves through putting their own mental horsepower to work.

I happen to agree, that you are your own best interpreter, and that answers to your questions concerning the Yijing should be more or less limited to that. Related advice offered as advise is also fair game, but in no way does obedience enter the picture, not from the IC and certainly not from an interpreter.

 

[kiri]

Thanks Meng.

I find the IC does offer contradictory hexagrams, and before i ask, i seem to expect a certain answer, and the IC delivers the answer. But it changes the next time I ask, just like how winds change and are not stagnant.
Maybe on relationships the IC offers a glimpse of the snapshot it gets? Hopefully its not a projection of what the asker alreayd knows.

I did enquire about other relationships, especially those doing well, like a pregnant friend who is so clearly happy in her relationship. I asked, is she happy in her couplehood, it replied that she was sad and should leave immediately. I also asked if a long term couple with no signs of breaking up will last, and the hexagram did not speak of a breakup, but a contrived or forced relationship. In my knowledge, this certainly isn't the case. Thus I don't think IC can truly fortell or compell a person's actions.

In any case, I have followed IC blindly in the past, learnt from my mistakes, and used it as a wise guide instead of an autocratic ruler, which I am pretty sure it is not. perhaps iching is best used in areas of concreteness, like what already happened, and not affairs of the heart, which, as we know, "the heart has reasons that reason does not understand".. no hexagram can guide the spirit, except maybe offer facets of the most likely possibilities.

In any case, thanks for your contributions and efforts with interpretations, Willowfox, Trojan and Meng, as well as Diamanda and others who once helped me with this.

 

[Tohpol]

good thinking Wfox ! Expenses ! Okay I want tea and biscuit expenses, and of course expenses for my Clarity uniform I always wear when answering queries, plus some heating expenses and er travel expenses because i wear out my shoe leather travelling with the tea and biscuits from the kitchen to the computer..there must be more...

Trojan's Clarity uniform:

Am I close?

 

[meng]

Thanks Meng.

I find the IC does offer contradictory hexagrams, and before i ask, i seem to expect a certain answer, and the IC delivers the answer. But it changes the next time I ask, just like how winds change and are not stagnant.

Funny! It sounds very much the effect of observing a quantum sine wave. It actually behaves differently when it's observed than it would if it were not observed. Crazy, huh? It's like, you can't catch it in the act of being predictable, or unpredictable! But, if your mind is innocent, free of intent, then you may receive the same hexagram many times in a row, whether you expect it or not. gotta love it..

 

[kiri]

Funny! It sounds very much the effect of observing a quantum sine wave. It actually behaves differently when it's observed than it would if it were not observed. Crazy, huh? It's like, you can't catch it in the act of being predictable, or unpredictable! But, if your mind is innocent, free of intent, then you may receive the same hexagram many times in a row, whether you expect it or not. gotta love it..

Yes, I have got the same hexagram before too, many times.
The Yi is actually perceptive (perhaps in its synchronicity?). It always answers my questions with a recongisable symbolism, that is until I tire myself out being confused and thinking of something else while asking the question, did that many times!
Now about the quantum sine wave it certainly got my head into a knot, I haven't actually gotten so far in physics, though perhaps psychic slightly more but if you mean like an energy force, that is subtle, I get what you mean..
By the way, by repetitiously casting hexagrams, I think the Yi is trying to teach me something I haven't quite grasped, because the answer is not fixed, unless it is a query about an object, or we are sure the person won't change their mind.
In any case, I really appreciate all the interpretations here, although alot are opposite to my own!

Trojan's Clarity uniform

LOL, all covered up

 

[Trojina]

Trojan's Clarity uniform:

Am I close?

You must be psychic !! its a bit chilly though, I may swap the heels for a nice pair of furry slippers.

 

[Sparhawk]

You must be psychic !! its a bit chilly though, I may swap the heels for a nice pair of furry slippers.

Sorry for starting that rumor, but, you do look good in that uniform...

 

[Trojina]

Sorry for starting that rumor, but, you do look good in that uniform...

thanks ! Well theres no point going against the flow is there so I think I've unwittingly adopted the image. I had to pop out for some milk a few minutes ago though and i did get some funny looks

 

[Tohpol]

thanks ! Well theres no point going against the flow is there so I think I've unwittingly adopted the image. I had to pop out for some milk a few minutes ago though and i did get some funny looks

I'm not surprised. No more "popping out" please

Anyway, blame it all on Luis. I've just been pulled into his lecherous slipstream LOL. Besides it's 52.3 - very fitting.

Topal

 

[bamboo]

interesting garb, trojan. personally i only use such shoes for my kickboxing class. I like to do my i ching readings barefoot in my birthday suit. no static that way.

 

[Sparhawk]

interesting garb, trojan. personally i only use such shoes for my kickboxing class. I like to do my i ching readings barefoot in my birthday suit. no static that way.

Geeze, thanks!! How am I going to get that image out of my mind now??

 

[Trojina]

Geeze, thanks!! How am I going to get that image out of my mind now??

Listen if all these new age books are to be believed we create our own reality
so maybe you should consider the kind of reality you are creating Luis. I reckon if your fantasies go on this way you are soon going to attract alot of naked or kinkily dressed I Ching tossing women. I don't know what your wife will say...

 

[Sparhawk]

Listen if all these new age books are to be believed we create our own reality
so maybe you should consider the kind of reality you are creating Luis. I reckon if your fantasies go on this way you are soon going to attract alot of naked or kinkily dressed I Ching tossing women. I don't know what your wife will say...

Hmmm, yes..., I see how that could be a problem... I'll probably have some sort of R.S.V.P. system, or, since it is my reality, I'll be the one "reaching out" and touching someone... So, next time you feel an unexplained tickle...

 

[Trojina]

... So, next time you feel an unexplained tickle...

...you'll feel an unexplained slap...

 

[Sparhawk]

...you'll feel an unexplained slap...

Feisty...

 

[bamboo]

Geeze, thanks!! How am I going to get that image out of my mind now??

guess you'll have to 52.3 it.