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pedro

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Could any of you kind souls transcribe line 5 of #59 from any of the following books (or any one of your preference, except from Wilhelm's and Legge's I already have)?

Its been haunting me (got it again today!!), and I think it might help to know of different translations/interpretations. Something is bound to resonate in my subconscious and make me come up with this idea.

I think there is no copyright issue with this request, but if you think there is, please mail me directly (or just forget I asked)

I'm prepared to bribe you or offer something in return
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please, please, pleeeease????

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"The Taoist I Ching" by I-Ming Liu, Thomas Cleary (Translator),
Yiming Liu

"Astrology of the I Ching" Publisher: Red Wheel/Weiser; (December
1980)

"I Ching - The Book of Changes and the Unchanging Truth", Hua-Ching
Ni, Shrine
of the Eternal Breath of Tao

"THE ICHING - THE BOOK OF CHANGES AND HOW TO USE IT", Wu Wei, Power
Press,
1995, Los Angeles, California.

"A Guide to the I Ching", Anthony, Carol K., Anthony Publishing, Stow
Mass,
1988.

"An Illuminated I Ching", Fox, J., Hughes, K., and Tampion, J., ARCO
Press,
New York, 1984.

"The Classic of Changes - A New Translation of the I Ching". Wang Bi,
Translated by Richard John Lynn., Columbia University Press, 1994.
 

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Pedro, I don't have any of those books, but rely on several others. One of my favorites is Sara Dening, The Everyday I Ching. She says of 59/5: "Matters are at a standstill. Take the initiative in helping put things right. You have it in you to create breakthrough. A completely new aproach is needed. This will take every ounce of effort you can make plus all the resources at your disposal."

Guy Damian Knight in The I Ching on Love, says: "It sometimes happens during times of pain that a great and redeeming idea bubbles to the surface. At such times there is nothing more powerful than a brilliant idea for reconciling the heart and bringing people together in an otherwise impossible situation. In the light of such an elevating idea, misconceptions give way to real understanding."

Hope this helps.

Kiya
 

binz

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this from http://surrealist.org/iching/index.html a site that tends to give brief but clearish translation

"The fifth line, yang, shows a king calling out to his citizens, even though they've been forced out of their land. The king is in the proper position, so let him continue."

reminds me a bit of the Dalai Lama.


This from http://gbog.free.fr/Chine/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing

"In times of general dispersion and separation, a great idea provides a focal point for the organization of recovery. Just as an illness reaches its crisis in a dissolving sweat, so a great stimulating idea is a true salvation in times of general deadlock. It gives the people a rallying point?a man in a ruling position who can dispel misunderstandings."

this reminds me of a tiny spec acting as a nucleous for the growth of a beautiful crystal.

both are centres around which order can be formed from disorder.

thanks to Hilary for originally providing the links for these sites.

Binz
 

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Dear Pedro,

Here are the transcriptions you requested of Hexagram 59, Yaoci 5 (9 - Yang). I hope they help.

Lindsay


Thomas Cleary, ?The Taoist I Ching?:

5 yang: ?Dispersing defilement, that is a great directive. The dispersing king remains impeccable.?

Explanation: Positive strength balanced and correct, perceiving when to hurry and when to relax, understanding what bodes well and what ill, getting rid of the false and restoring the true, one can thereby resolve dispersal. Therefore ?dispersing defilement, that is a great directive; the dispersing king remains impeccable.? The reason people cause dispersal of primordial positive energy and have faults is that they erroneously approve temporal artificial things, which have form, and abandon the primordial formless real treasure. If they can see through the artificiality of the temporal and not be burdened by acquired conditioning, this is like dispersing defilement. Having dispersed defilement, one promulgates a great directive, removing falsehood by truth, directly proceeding on the path of resolving dispersal. Thus by mastering oneself one can return to what is proper, thereby able to be humane. The mind-lord is peaceful and calm, integrated with natural principle, resting in the realm of ultimate good, without blame. This is dispersing the false and being able to complete the true.


W. K. Chu and W. A. Sherrill, ?The Astrology of I Ching?:

Line 5: ?Amid dispersion he issues commands, with much perspiration. The king dispenses his treasures. No error.?

Two symbolisms are expressed here. Just as sweating breaks a fever, so will the king?s proclamations disperse and cure rebellious thoughts and actions. The second image shows the king employing the principle that to give is to receive. By giving to the people he will receive much more in return. Wise and able leadership is depicted here. These persons will be called upon to correct unhealthy conditions, some of which will have been brought about by their own mistakes, and some of which will be the fault of others. In the end no grave errors will occur.

Most auspicious: He will be in an important and influential position, carrying out his duties with a deep love of people and an innate respect for what is right and just. He will establish much of benefit to others, and will be duly rewarded in return. He will merit a highly favorable reputation.

Least auspicious: He will be ambitious and knowledgeable. He will always aim high, and will enjoy winning others over. He will rise from a position of low status to modest fame and honors.

In yearly hexagram:
Officers or official: He will be promoted.
Business and professional: He will make favorable advancement.
Ordinary people: He will gain profits. If sick he will be healed.


Hua-Ching Ni, ?The Book of Changes and the Unchanging Truth?:

Line 5: ?Dispersing one?s treasures to help the world. There is no fault in this.?

This line is a strong, wise and able leader. The wild horse in the second position is too strong and ambitious to correspond with it. However, the ruler is able to tame him.

Since the fifth line is the strong center of the trigram Wind, he exemplifies the power of gentle persuasion and so gives of himself to one and all. The fifth line has accumulated much wealth and strength and is therefore in a position to help many people. He gives away his accumulations, his strength and his ?sweat.? Just as sweating can help break through a physical crisis, giving of oneself can help break through a social crisis.


Wu Wei, ?The I Ching?:

Line 5: You are strong and in a position of leadership. In this dangerous situation, you will be inspired with an idea for achieving the dissolution of the danger. Enthusiastically proclaiming your solution will cause everyone to follow inspired leadership. You will remain without blame for your actions.


Carol Anthony, ?A Guide to the I Ching?:

?Loud cries as dissolving as sweat.? Misunderstanding is swept away when we realize how well our goals are achieved through dispersion -- allowing negative thoughts to dissipate. One such negative thought is to decide we are in a "bad situation."

It is a great and liberating idea to realize that it is not our responsibility to correct or "save" others through taking charge of situations, manipulating people, or making other such efforts. Instead, we should disengage, let go, and leave matters to the Sage and Fate to correct. When we see this clearly, it is a great relief from an enormous burden we were never meant to assume.

?A man in a ruling position? refers to an idea so obviously true that anyone can follow it. To realize that through energetically correcting our ideas we can correct and change our lives, this is a great and liberating idea.


Judy Fox, Karen Hughes, and John Tampion, ?An Illuminated I Ching?:

9 in the 5th: In a time of problems, when everything seems to be falling apart, there is need for a focal point of activity. By concerted efforts the situation may be improved.


Richard John Lynn, ?The Classic of Changes? (Wang Bi?s commentary interspersed):

Dispersing sweat, this one gives out great shouts. Only if a true king abides here in this time of Dispersion would there be no blame. (Fifth Yang occupies the exalted position, treads the path of rectitude, and abides in the center of Compliance. Scattering sweat and giving out great shouts, this is one who clears away the dangers. The rulership at a time of Dispersion must be filled by a true king, for only then can that ruler stay free of blame.)

Commentary on the Images
?A true king abides,? so there is no blame, for his position is correctly filled.
 

pedro

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THANK YOU so much
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You guys are the greatest!!!!!!

Kiya: thanks a lot, I like them both
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btw, how do you feel about Guy Damian's? I didnt put in on my to buy list cause I thought it could be a bit comercial, but he's idea concurs with Wilhelm's, with that "redeeming idea" bubbling "to the surface" (maybe he got it from wilhelm's in the 1st place)

Brian: Thanks for the cool links, I had been over Hilary's links, and found some real nice stuff there, but I didnt recall these

Lindsay: thanks enormously for that incredible amount of trouble! I have more than I ever dreamt of
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It really means a lot to me..

Well, thanks again, I owe you all big time
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Hi Pedro

Glad to help. I ordered Guy Damian Knight's book from Amazon.com after reading a brief review on the Yijing Dao site http://www.yijing.btinternet.co.uk/survey.htm

The I Ching on Love: Guy Damian-Knight

Though aimed at resolving matters of the heart, the interpretations appended to the lines are widely applicable and written with care. Out-of-print, but turns up secondhand occasionally.


I have found the book to be clearly written and not at all commercial. The interpretations seem to square with those in other books I value.

Kiya
 

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