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6 meaning 'there are no connections'I asked the Oracle if it was good for me to leave hastily now and I got 6.4 => 59.
Hex 6 seems to clearly spell to retreat now and do nothing. The changing line 4 also denotes that, I think. But I can't interpret the resulting 59. Is it about what would happen if I stay or if I go?
Hi My_key,6 meaning 'there are no connections'
59 meaning ' the Bright Presence breaks through'
Hi LiselleHi My_key,
Would you mind saying whose book that is? I don't recognize it, offhand.
Liselle was an original tester of the Resonance and continues to take an active role in it's developmentOther takes on the Xu Gua can be found in Hilary's Resonance Journal
Karcher - Total I Ching is the resource I use most
6 meaning 'there are no connections'
59 meaning ' the Bright Presence breaks through'
You may well not be looking in the right place.Perhaps you could clarify the below for me?
I have Karcher's 'Total I Ching', the 2003 edition, and the title he gives there for hexagram 6 is 'Dispute/Pleading/Council' and the hexagram title he gives for 59 is 'Dispersing/Gushing'. Both of these are recognisable as the meaning/title of the hexagrams. The above was not recognisable to me as the hexagram title, unless you intend by 'meaning' not title but another aspect? It could also be you are referring to a more modern edition of the 'Total I Ching' perhaps? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if you are quoting Karcher directly in your above quote or not. If you are, and you have used quotation marks so I assume you are, it helps if you reference Karcher so we can see where you're getting the above from.
6 meaning 'there are no connections'
59 meaning ' the Bright Presence breaks through'
6 -
Sequence: ‘Drinking and eating naturally mean Arguing.’
Pair: ‘Waiting means not progressing, Arguing means not connecting.’
59 -
Sequence: ‘Rejoicing and hence scattering it, and so Dispersing follows. Dispersing means spreading out.’
Pair: Dispersing means spreading out, Measuring means stopping.’
I see it, thanks. But the thing is there they are contrasted as a pair, in that Wing, for the purpose of contrast which doesn't really amount to 6 meaning, in itself 'there are no connections'. I think it may have helped if you'd said it was taken from the Xu Gua, termed 'the paradigm' in the Total I Ching. Taken out of context of the pair I think it's a little misleading.The place to look, if you have it in your version, is on 'The Paradigm' page for each pair. You'll find the text I quote at the bottom of the page. Similar to how Hilary lays it out under her heading The Pair.
I think Karcher should be acknowledged as the author of your quotes as any author should be. If one only uses one translation most of the time it works to put a brief note in your signature as Liselle and I have. If you don't want to do that it is necessary to reference who the quote is from. Otherwise people have no clue where you are getting it from when you say '59 means the Bright Presence breaks through'. Putting it like that, out of context from the Wing you are taking it from, is confusing.For yours and @Liselle's future reference Karcher or Hilary are the two sources I use. So if you don't recognise it as Hilary's words it'll be Karcher.
I know the meaning of a hexagram can never be encapsulated in the title. Nonetheless the title does give a pretty good idea of the what the hexagram encompasses.The meaning resides behind or beneath the title: it oozes through the title giving it a greater depth of flavour. Meaning and Title are in no way the same thing.
If you're quoting someone directly, though, you really do need to indicate whose work it is. Basic attribution. All of us should do it.
Dui denotes pleasure and satisfaction. This pleasure and satisfaction (begins) afterwards to be dissipated, and hence Dui is followed by Huan.
59 meaning ' the Bright Presence breaks through'
I would like to commend the moderators from removing the posts that took the topic off track. It is the right thing to do.Moderator note: off-topic discussion about crediting authors has been moved here.
I'll repeat here that I am not clear on all the content of all my original post here and the only person that deserves to be and can be clear about their question is the querent. My interpretations are intended to plant a few seeds to bring that about - as I'm sure you or anyone else that posts does.You (My_key) may very well be completely clear about that in your own mind, but it's not clear from reading your post without any other explanation.
I'm very much not sure of that conclusion, since a relating hexagram isn't always or even usually "the result."
What Extevan has been experiencing and has been holding all this while, is as Thomas Cleary says in The Buddhist I Ching of Hex 59 (and I'll paraphrase here) something is leading you towards success. However, sacrifices still have to be made to the ancestral shrine. Ancient behaviours ancient ways of thinking need to be addressed before things can be truly and correctly in place for you.And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14 (KJV)
Although I had not accessed these references when I made the original post I think that they provide a level of support for a Karcher based perspective."The superior person begins to make plans
Before he takes actions" (Alfred Huang)
..... of course what I have written here may still not mean anything like this for you ExtevanLeaving hastily is not a way to connect to this situation. New, bright things are about to happen for you. What is happening to you at the moment is calling for you to really understand the wider context.
You will / are / have been tested to find ways of being at peace in your world and although things have/ are/ will be likely to get worse before they get better. But hang on in there. Keep doing all the good and right things you have learnt. That is what is good for you.
I'm so pleased that you are seeing the reading conclusions differently to me. That is what provides the deep richness and great beauty of Shared Readings. Extevan, and any other who finds there way to this thread, now has different perspectives to consider or pick meaningful bits from for them.I suppose if I hazard a guess at a conclusion, I'd say something like you (Extevan) are asking about leaving, and as a comment about leaving Yi says:
'Cannot master this argument,
Returning and taking up the mandate.
With a change of heart, peaceful constancy is good fortune.'
...so it sounds to me like "Returning" means not leaving, and what results in good fortune is a "change of heart" about leaving. In other words, change your mind, don't leave (at least not hastily), return (stay, settle) with peaceful constancy.
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