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seeker

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When I look at a reading, I just note that the lines move or don't, but I have noticed some people list them as 6 at the beginning, 9 a the fourth etc, and I have also seen references to changing from yin to yang or vice versa. Does this make a difference in how you interpret it, or is this just a different way of stating the same thing??? If it makes a difference how do you determine whether it is 6 or 9, and how do you know if it is yin or yang???
 
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Seeker, it's a reference to the coin method. One side is yang and the other is yin. Count a yang as 3 and yin as 2. When you add them, that is the 6,7,8,9. So if you toss and receive 3 yin/tails, that = 6. Since 6 constitutes a changing line, on the first roll it could be called "6 at the beginning". A 6 in the second line could be called ?6 in the second place?, etc.
 
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If you?re not familiar with the three coin method, Hilary has provided excellent instructions.

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Oh, and 6 is yin changing to yang, 9 is yang changing to yin.

Seeker asked another very good question. Does this make a difference how you interpret it, which kind of changing line it is? Do you think of 9s as extreme yang? As moving in the direction of yin, greater openness? Do you just read the words and not bother about what kind of line it is?
 
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Hilary,

Never given much thought to it, except maybe subliminally. Trigrams from/to, yes, but individual lines, uh uh.

Does it make a difference with your interpretations?
 
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seeker

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I have coins and am familiar with it, just didn't make the connection. I started out using the clarity online one, and even though I have the coins, I tend to use the computer. Its kind of like using the same Tarot deck even when you have a whole bunch of different ones.

You said it does make a difference with the trigrams. Can you explain trigrams and how it makes a difference? Make it simple as I am still very much a novice and tend to get brain bleed
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bruce

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The easiest example might be 11. This isn?t a formula, per se, but a subtle cognitive process. It?s nothing written in stone.

The lower (all) yang trigram in 11 is influenced by the (all) yin trigram above it (earth sinks downward). The yang either yields or exhausts itself. Either way it transforms to (all) yin, thereby changing the entire hexagram to yin - 2.

Or, if the influence of the lower yang trigram in 11 moves upward (as yang/heaven does) to meet the yin principle, yin is transformed into all yang, thereby changing the entire hexagram to yang - 1.

The relationship and effect of the relationship depends upon which position the yin and yang trigram occupy. When the trigrams are reversed, so is the effect of that relationship.

Since there are 4 yin and 4 yang trigrams, the combinations get pretty interesting when looked at this way.
 
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bruce

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It might help to think of the trigrams in terms of mother, first, second, and third daughters, and the same with the father and three sons. If you look at it as a family this way, it's pretty easy to see how they might relate and be affected by each other. Their upper or lower position within the hexagram plays a role in the relationship.

But it's not limited to the family members and their interaction. There's also the elements (lake, fire, wind, mountain, water, thunder) which effect one another. Yin and yang can also play a relevant role there, as well.

Your imagination is part of the cognitive process. Without it, interpreting the Yi would be nothing more than reading a road map.
 

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