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How will meeting X again be accomplished?Hexagram 60.5 to 19.Please help.Thank you.
 
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Without much sweetness. Just make a plain step towards X. The line is hopeful.
Act "from a position of authority".
 

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Hi Steve,
is it possible that the discontinuation of the contace between X and you has been effected by a behaviour by you that the other party could have been interpreting as "over the top"? Just guessing here, I do obviously know neither you nor the other involved person, but 60.5 says, in the interpretation of Wilhelmm:

" If,
however, a man in a leading position applies the limitation first to himself,
demanding little from those associated with him, and with modest means
manages to achieve something, good fortune is the result. Where such an
example occurs, it meets with emulation, so that whatever is undertaken
must succeed."

So could this mean that you need to tone it down a bit and approach the other one in a reasonable way, where everyone's boundaries are respected, it may be sucessfull?

best wishes

maui
 

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Hi maui,The discontinued contact between me and X initiated by X.Further explanation is X is the one behaving over the top and i chose not to respond. You know arguments between 2 childhood friends?X keep arguing and talking nonsense, while I choose not to response to her nonsense hence the discontinued contact.60.5 to 19So who should be the one to tone down here?
 

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Hi maui,The discontinued contact between me and X initiated by X.Further explanation is X is the one behaving over the top and i chose not to respond. You know arguments between 2 childhood friends?X keep arguing and talking nonsense, while I choose not to response to her nonsense hence the discontinued contact.60.5 to 19So who should be the one to tone down here?

Okay X discontinued contact and she is also being the one over the top and talking nonsense while you choose not to respond. :confused: Doesn't make sense. If she has discontinued contact how can she be still arguing ? If she is still arguing she hasn't discontinued contact and then you say 'while I choose not to respond to her nonsense' but hang on if she has discontinued contact how can you be choosing not respond ?

Above all else, to my mind anyway, 60 connects to order, rations and rationality. Measures. In a conversation for example there's a lot of 60going on. One person speaks then stops and the other one can begin. That's in theory, in practise people talk over each other all the time....but anyway the reason this aspect of 60 comes up is that your description of the situation is very muddled. 60.5 is a very nice antidote to that. It says

'Sweet measures, good fortune.
Going on brings honour.' (Hilary's translation)

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How will meeting X again be accomplished?Hexagram 60.5 to 19.Please help.Thank you.

I think by being clear and calm and orderly in your own mind and in your communications. The way you described the situation in your last post was muddled and that suggests to me the situation is muddled. Perhaps you both need to slow down a bit to have time to spell things out, one at a time.

?X keep arguing and talking nonsense, while I choose not to response to her nonsense hence the discontinued contact.60.5 to 19So who should be the one to tone down here?

As long as you 'choose not to respond to her nonsense' how can a meeting happen ? I mean you are saying she won't have anything to do with you but is arguing and you won't have anything to with her 'nonsense' so I'd say whether you meet or not is entirely in the hands of the person who refuses to meet ?

60.5 bodes really well for this being resolved well. I think when things have settled and there's a much clearer idea of what the problem is then the right words will come and communication can be restored
 

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Oh and as 60 is to do with measuring it also involves proportion and scale, finding the right measure of response. I also think there's a question of simple mechanics of the back and forth between you. If you haven't responded to her how can you meet ? In order to meet you are going to have to respond. If she has discontinued contact then how can she get in touch ? How can you resume your connection if neither if both of you think you aren't responding to the other one. I think you may need to look at the rhythm of the communication, how it works.

Now and then I find myself miffed that someone hasn't bothered to contact me for a long time. Then I realise they initiated the contact with me the last few times and it's my turn to contact them. I think that's quite 60ish in that there is a mechanics, a certain measuring, that is part of relations between people that's quite important. One person can't always be the one to initiate contact. That's not much to do with your situation here, I'm just saying, as your situation seems muddled, that sometimes looking at the rhythm and the measure of it can help you smooth things out.
 

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Well said Trojina.I know i didn't explain myself well.So me and X argued. She kept talking nonsense and when i chose not to respond, she also stop talking to me.Well, you are right. One of us must iniate the contact 1st. But i guess i am not ready yet.
 

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Hi maui,The discontinued contact between me and X initiated by X.Further explanation is X is the one behaving over the top and i chose not to respond. You know arguments between 2 childhood friends?X keep arguing and talking nonsense, while I choose not to response to her nonsense hence the discontinued contact.60.5 to 19So who should be the one to tone down here?

I rest my case.
 

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