61.1.2 > 20

[maremaria]

Hi everyone,

I’m a little bit confused with a reading and I wonder if you could help me.
There is a project assigned after a seminar I attend. Its not actually required but it’s an opportunity to test myself on it and use the guidance of some experts. Its not of vital importance this project for me, meaning that never though of working in this area. It’s about creative writing, which I like, but specialize on screenwriting for TV series. The idea I presented was welcome and considered as new and fresh and unusual for the “local market” but it needs a lot of work to implement it because of lack of technical skills.

I haven’t decide yet what to do so I asked Yi for an advise.
Q : what do I need to know about the screenwriting project.
A. 61.1,2 > 20

20, the way I perceive it here is to observe carefully around me and inside me , in a calm way in order to make a decision.
In line 1 and 2 amongst other things , I read about motives .
What is not clear to me is line 61.1 W/b says : “If there are secret designs, it's disquieting”. . It talks about cooperation that might threat the outcome and create obstacles but I can’t understand if this line is about secret relations I’ll form or that there are between other persons involved.

Any help about the lines would be appreciated a lot

Thanks
Maria

 

[my_key]

Hi Maria
Wilhelm also says for 61 " Pigs and fishes are the least intelligent of all animals and therefore the most difficult to influence. The force of inner truth must grow great indeed before
its influence can extend to such creatures. In dealing with persons as
intractable and as difficult to influence as a pig or a fish, the whole secret of
success depends on finding the right way of approach."

61.1 - If you feel up to the challange take it on. It's not going to be an easy one, especially if the support/ liaisons you are hoping for doesn't occur. Someone may not see what you are doing as in their best interests.
61.2 - If you are enthusiastic and speak / act from the heart then you'll be received favourably and win people over. The project will be a success.

20 - Look at this from all sides. Think about it carefully - it may not be as straightforward as you first thought. If you are up for the challenge then go for it.

Take Care
Mike

 

[maremaria]

61.1 - If you feel up to the challange take it on. It's not going to be an easy one, especially if the support/ liaisons you are hoping for doesn't occur. Someone may not see what you are doing as in their best interests.

Hi Mike,
thanks for your contribution. What worries me in this line is excactly the opposite. I'm not quite sure but it seems that it says don't let others interfere a lot. Time will tell...

 

[my_key]

Hi Maria

What worries me in this line is excactly the opposite. I'm not quite sure but it seems that it says don't let others interfere a lot. Time will tell...

Good point, it got me thinking again (dangerous I know!!) - but it's set my mind down a slightly different path.
Going back to your question:
Q : what do I need to know about the screenwriting project.
So this is Yi's reponse to what you need to know about the project not what you need to know about how you are doing the project or what transpires during the project.

"Thus the superior man, when obliged to judge the mistakes of men, tries to penetrate their minds with understanding, in order to gain a sympathetic appreciation of the circumstances." So you have penetrated their minds and gained their sympathetic appreciation and you are now pondering whether to take the project to the next stage.

61.1 is about your reality. "Being prepared brings good fortune. If there are secret designs, it is disquieting." So you have been prepared and gave a good "pitch" and the opportunity to get involved has come about ( good fortune). So is this about your innermost reasons for doing, and attitudes about, the project? If these have changed from your original "pitch" - then this may be taking you off track and the project may now not be the best thing for you to get involved in.

Something to think about. Perhaps a third opinion is required.

Take care
Mike

 

[charly]

...
I haven’t decide yet what to do so I asked Yi for an advise.
Q : what do I need to know about the screenwriting project.
A. 61.1,2 > 20
...
What is not clear to me is line 61.1 W/b says : “If there are secret designs, it's disquieting”. . It talks about cooperation that might threat the outcome and create obstacles ...

María:

Don't worry about 61.1. Do not trust all W/B say. Always there are secret designs, in every situation some people have secret designs, don't worry.

61.1 has not a clear text, but it's a LUCKY line.

See LiSe:

The Yu-tiger: auspicious. When there is a snake, there are no swallows.​

from: http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_49-64/hex_e_61.htm

Nothing about «secret designs», see the chinese text below (1), but a shaman warning us. To be forewarned is lucky. To ask a shaman is lucky. This is a warning, better to be forewarned.

The work can be hard. There are snakes, not swallows, terrestrial beings, not heavenly, no angels. Possible danger or lack of support.

Applied to us, maybe we have to crawl like snakes, not to fly like swallows. Once we got in there is no exit till the end. Impossible to flight away in the middle of the process.

This is a start up warning, work can be hard, this is a challenge.

61.2 involves a great promise, take the challenge, you have heart enough for the task.


Best regards,

Charly


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(1) 61.1 chinese text and usual meanings for each character:

虞 yu2: worries // forewarned // peace // tiger (LiSe)
吉 ji2: lucky / fortunate

有 you3: to have / there is / there are
他 ta1: he / him / other / another / future// snake (LiSe)
不 bu4: un /not / no / without
燕 yan4: swallow // confort / ease

SIZE="4"]虞[/SIZE] yu2: depicts a TIGER over a MAN with something like a MOUTH on his shoulder → a SHAMAN with a tiger skin → somebody that foresees and speak about it → FOREWARNING


他 ta1: standing man + 也, whose bronze character looks like a SNAKE or like the Rolling's tongue:

From: http://www.chineseetymology.org/Cha...spx?characterInput=+也&submitButton1=Etymology

燕 yan4: a BIRD with two wings and the tail → swallow , a passing bird, a returning bird. Also EASE.

Bu yan: UNEASY

 

[maremaria]

Mike you said “So is this about your innermost reasons for doing, and attitudes about, the project?”
Yes, I can see that too in line 1


Charly, the way I read the absence of swallow is as a sign that there are snakes around. Seems that there would be a white tiger, which is good but I’ll have to be alert for the snakes too.
Maybe, if those two animal are the affiliations maybe contacted (within ourselves or with people out there) the inner truth maybe be supported or diminished

Thank you both for your ideas. They helped a lot

Maria

 

[martin]

Hi Maria,

My take on 61.1 would be that it advises you to first of all listen to yourself and not to others, because that might confuse you.

Legge translates: 'The first line, undivided, shows its subject resting in himself. There will be good fortune. If he sought to any other he would not find rest.'

No 'secret designs' there. Wilhelm also doesn't mention anything like that in his translation of the line text.
He translates, in German: 'Sind Hintergedanken da, so ist das beunruhigend'.
In English: if there are second thoughts, that's disturbing.

But then, in his commentary on the line, he suddenly starts to talk about 'geheime Beziehungen' (secret relationships). Where does that come from?
No idea ..

 

[maremaria]

Hi Maria,

My take on 61.1 would be that it advises you to first of all listen to yourself and not to others, because that might confuse you.

Yes, that sounds true. Maybe the secret relationships might be the voices one hear that are not attuned with its inner voice but because of lack of confidence believes the others voices as his/hers own. Maybe secret means hidden or unconscious partnerships. Like one let him/her self draged out of the path but without knowing it. Just a guess…

 

[meng]

Secret designs or snakes which scare away the swallows, or for that matter, Brad's 'presuming more is no comfort' are all saying basically the same thing: that the natural and creative force needs to have no restrictions or pre-established designs (such as worrying or inhibitions) to flow freely.

I see the reading as being highly encouraging to engage in the project. Just don't worry about the outcome. 20 is being seen as well as seeing, so let your ideas fly.

 

[maremaria]

Thanks Meng. I also perceived it as an encouraging reading. What you said about the natural & creative force give me a additional hint of what “snakes” can be. Haven’t though of that possibility.
hmm, that "snake list" becomes longer

Maria

 

[vida]

maria, i only read the original post, so forgive me if i'm repeating.

i have always been bothered by the w/b admonition that pigs and fish are the least intelligent of all creatures, seeing as we now know that pigs are actually quite smart. i have always instead interpreted the pigs and fishes of 61 to refer to 2 ways to nourish. pigs were slaughtered for honored guests, and fish are more of an every day staple. (the similarities to the structure of 27 --emptiness in the middle of the hx-- remind me of nourishment also.) so when i read "inner truth. pigs and fishes. good fortune," i take it more as meaning that inner truth is the ultimate nourishment for our empty places.

it differs slightly from w/b, mainly in the way that the changing lines begin to describe how personal motivations and 'inner truth' can begin to combat or reveal each other.

the 'secret designs' of 6.1 are motivations which distract from inner truth. i read that as advice to ask yourself what your motivations truly are with this project. do you just want to learn something, or are you hoping for accolades of some type. if its something like the latter... then that might be disquieting if you were to continue with the project.

61.2 i'm with confucius on this one. "The superior man abides in his room. If his words are well spoken, he meets with assent at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by! If the superior man abides in his room and his words are not well spoken, he meets with contradiction at a distance of more than a thousand miles. How much more then from near by! Words go forth from one's own person and exert their influence on men. Deeds are born close at
hand and become visible far away. Words and deeds are the hinge and bowspring of the superior man. As hinge and bowspring move, they bring honor or disgrace. Through words and deeds the superior man moves heaven and earth . Must one not, then, be cautious?"

to abide in your own room is to remain true to yourself. keep your inner truth in tact, speak from the heart, then you can expect your words to have beneficial influence.

neither line tells you exactly how the project will go-- instead it reminds you to stay true to yourself and not get sideswept by distracting motivations.

20 is about seeing and being seen. present yourself authentically and all will be good.

 

[maremaria]

Thanks Vida

At the moment I’m not worrying about the return of my “investment” i.e how it will accepted by the interested parts I’ll submit it. Though, I’d love to see my effort receive good comments or distinctions etc.

At the moment, I’m trying to concentrate to the learning part of this attempt, which was my initial motive to engage myself to that. It’s the one that promise the most fun. I believe Yi talks about that too and warns me about the possible dangers. Time will revel more so till then , as 61 says, I’ll have to withhold any judgements and focus on my inner drum.

Maria