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61.1.5 > 4 - And 2 (or 3?) ways to look at it

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Hello all,

I'm interested in pursuing a business project for which I need partners. In the past, I did some business with a person and though it was profitable, we had our differences. That venture ended with a bit of frustation on both ends.

As I was saying, I have a new idea now. I was looking forward to work with this person, because there's a lot to value (commitment, skills, ect.). We' ve discussed the issues we had in the past and I have presented the new project. Basically, there's nothing more I can do on my end. I just have to wait for the reply, the ball in on the other court.

I must say, it doesn't look good. All signals point at a possible "thanks but no thanks". However, I have a feeling that this person is exactly what I need for the project, and that having it on board will be success, and - despite all signals- I think a "yes" could come.

I asked:
Will X accept to join this project?
61.1.6 > 4 /// EDIT: right answer is 61.1.5 >4

To me, I could be read two ways:

1) Your feeling is right, you can influence others (my possible partner) with your truth, keep persevering (61). A new experience will be successful and educating (4)

2) Stop asking (4), you already know the truth (61).
a) the "truth" has to do with my feelings and faith "against all odds"
b) the "truth" is that they will say no, and I'm just deluding myself.

What do you think?

Cheers,

Florencia
 
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Hi Florencia

Could you give the date when you made the toss (month, day, hour in local time)?

Best wishes
 

flor05

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Hi Jesed!
I'm not so sure, I think I lost track of time...
I did it between 11:30pm Dec 3rd (GMT-3) and 01:00am Dec 4th
Will your calculations work if I don't have the accurate time?
Thanks so much!

PS: From now on, I'm taking note of the time on all of my castings!
 
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agg... that tricky chinese hour (11pm-1 am)!!! Not the best hour to use the najia tools ;) Some text says one rather don't use it at all.

Let's try anyway... 5 minutes, if you are still online

(would you consider him a close friend?) That is important to set the key element
 

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Yes, this person is very close indeed.
I'll avoid that tricky Chinese time in the future! Hahaha
BTW, is there a best time to cast/toss?
 
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No really... but see... this is the only double-hour with 2 days. Some says the day really starts -for this calculations- in the next double hour (1-3 am) and others, that you should take real day (december 3, if you toss before 00:00; and december 4, in the other case).

So, i'm not sure if I should use December 3rd or December 4th as the Day.
 

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I'm sorry. If I had to choose, I would say I probably tossed after 12. Yes, that would be more accurate, I believe (I'm trying to recap what I did and when I looked at the watch). December 4th it is.
 

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Jesed, I re-read your post. I understand it would be tricky, especially between 00:01 and 01:00... And that's probably the time I tossed. I don't think it would work if I tossed again, would it?

In any case, it's very late here (3:30am!:eek:) so I really have to go to bed. I'm looking forward to reading your comments in the morning!!!

And THANKS so much!!!! :bows:

:hug:
 
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Mmm. I'm sorry to tell it doesn't seem good -with this tool- neither with december 3rd nor december 4th. But a little more chance if tossed december 3rd.

X is strong, and is facing a really good season. But he/she experiences hinderance about the project; two posible issues: "a) personality clashes"; b) lack of money. There is also a posibility for a hidden matter.

The project itself is under a weak season; it is not the best time to undertake any mayor measure. Better to wait until next earth month (January, 5th) or next spring.

Money is a serious issue. It is hidden, but will show inthe future.

I would say, X won't join... at least in the near future.

But I'm very doubtful about this reading... so take it with more than a grain of salt

Best wishes
 
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Now-- hex 4 is about covering something.

Does "inner truth covered" rings any bell?

Best wishes
 

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Didn't go to bed after all... but I'm on my way now! :)
Thanks very much for your insights. I'm assuming that by spring you mean in the Northern Hemisphere, right? (March-April? - It would be Fall here :))

Even though I didn't set out a deadline, I was not really planning to get things started before January due to the coming holiday season; and more likely, by March (January and February are summer months here, usually very slow for business).

I guess I'll have a contingency plan for other partners but still hope this person will join me... We'll see.

Thank you again, you've been very generous and kind.

Cheers,

Flor.
 
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Oh.. I mean spring in the Farmer's Calendar.

This are the best months for the project:
a) Tiger - season spring, element wood. February 4th- March 4th, 2010
b) Rabbit- season spring, element wood. March 5th - April 3rd, 2010
c) Dragon - season spring, elent earth. April 4th- May 4th

This calendar is astronomic, not local, So, it is useful for the entire globe, no matter the hemisphere (of course, it is weird to call spring in March in Argentina..I know)

;)

Best wishes, and sweet dreams (both while sleep and awake)
 

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Sorry, I just re-read the whole thing... And I made a typo!!!
The changing lines on the title are correct, but when I transcribed my answer, I mistaken line 5 for 6
Correct answer is:
Will X join me in this project?
61.1.5 > 4

I realize line 6 has a negative meaning, while 5 doesn't.

Jesed, I don't know if this will affect the najia reading, I understand is not so much based on the changing lines but on the actual hexagrams, right?

In any case, I apologize for the mistake.

Best,

Flor.
 
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Hi Flor

Don't worry; I did the calculation with 61 leading to 4; so, I did take lines 1 and 5.

The changing lines are crucial in najia, as in text-based. It is the "text" added both hexagram and lines that is set aside.

Best wishes
 

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It sounds really interesting... Just out of curiosity, what do you do if by this method you get opposite results to what the text would suggest?
 
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Hi

1.- I use to work with both methods. I don't recall -in 7 years using najia, I'm still a newbie- one case of opposites conclusions.

2.- How would I react in such case? Depends on the type of question (najia is more accurate and useful for "prediction" than "diagnosis"; and more accurate for yes/no questions than text ), the date; and the elements of reality I could know.

Best
 
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