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I asked the wise yijing why I feel so depressed all the time lately. What is at the root of it?

61.4,5 -->38

hmm.. maybe it's physiological?
Any one have any comments? In the mean time I'll keep trying to cheer up. :)
 
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I asked the wise yijing why I feel so depressed all the time lately. What is at the root of it?

61.4,5 -->38

hmm.. maybe it's physiological?
Any one have any comments? In the mean time I'll keep trying to cheer up. :)


I think Yi tries to cheer you up too :)

Does the "without fault " you got in both your lines make any sense to you ? I mean iare there things you need or think of doing and there is a voice inside or outside you shouting "its fault !!!" ?

I had to drive somewhere just an hour and I was thinking of an image I want to make about hex 38 , something with eyes is what i have in mind and on the radio i heard a song which a verse says :

Eyes can't change their colour
Just the way they look at you


Looking at your reading those verses popped into my head.

Hope other will help you with more meaningful comments.

Maria
 

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I asked the wise yijing why I feel so depressed all the time lately. What is at the root of it?

61.4,5 -->38

hmm.. maybe it's physiological?
Any one have any comments? In the mean time I'll keep trying to cheer up. :)

I think maria is right, the Yi is being very gentle with you. I LOVE the line 61.4 ( and it always reminds me of Maria, too, just as an aside:) ). This line is the one describing a horse which breaks from the pack, but to me, it is a beautiful image...

at times, we know in our heart it is time to break away from the old comforts/people/situations and it can bring on sadness...a feeling of loss, but just the same, such times are necessary and supportive of our integrity and our path. Line 5 is a nice one too...your inner truth with draw to you what is needed. A time of 38 is one we must all go through at various junctures. Have no fear, trust in the guidance of your spirit:hug:
 

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I asked the wise yijing why I feel so depressed all the time lately. What is at the root of it?

61.4,5 -->38

The root of the problem suggests separation from somebody or something, perhaps a feeling of loneliness.
 

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Yes, it's true, the yi brings it down to earth, once again.
I guess im just still heartbroken and miss being in partnership. It just seemed to me that I have been grieving this for too long, and since it doesn't seem to be getting any better, I thought maybe I could have some chemical imbalance or something (ie going nuts):brickwall: Many people on this forum seem to be suffering from heartbreak, at least it seems. It's a human problem, I guess, but one that is very trying indeed.

But this is nice...
I asked the compassionate and honorable yijing:

What do You think could help (my broken heart)?

61.2,4--> 25


I love the yi. It's interesting it brought back 61.4.
The solution to my loneliness is within my aloneness?

Thanks for all your insightful and caring answers:hug:
 

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What do You think could help (my broken heart)?

61.2,4--> 25


It suggests that you contact friends and family, via the internet or telephone and you go out and meet up with friends for a meal and a drink etc now and again, you should be much more active in your social life. Perhaps even get interested in having an animal companion.
 

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Another possible interpretation which most people fight, but if you can relax and consider may be helpful, is that you are alone right now for a reason. Aloneness has a lot to teach if it's not resisted and resented. I've been there a few times in my life. I'm there right now. Accepting, floating and flowing rather than sinking into the depression is, I know, an abstract idea, but a valuable one.

Here's why. Most of us want partnership but, when we are in an alone state, this can be the time of objectivity when we come to terms with why we want that and what we expect to have from it and, just as importantly, what we ourselves bring to partnership. Once the process of getting to know another is underway women, in particular, give all to that and forget their own relationship priorities. Good to have those in order in advance, especially if you've already been in relationships that have fallen apart. Usually relationships collapse, not because you did something wrong, but because you attracted the wrong thing in the first place. Use this time to get ultimately healthy and on board. If you can't be by yourself successfully and feel strong you can't attract a person who is right for you, nor will you be right for them, because you are joining from a place of weakness rather than strength.

This may be what the IChing is telling you about the answer being IN your aloneness. All best wishes!
 

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I asked the wise yijing why I feel so depressed all the time lately. What is at the root of it?

61.4,5 -->38
The reading indicates that part of you is pulling in a different direction from the rest of you--or that you need to go off in a direction that is right for you, that you are following someone else's idea of what is correct (Line 4). If you go off in that direction, the force of your commitment for the correct path will attract others (Line 5).

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I think it 61:2,4 also suggest to to keep trying to fix your broken relationship but do not expect any results. just try to fix it.
 

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Tiger -- In that scenario you describe, how do you see Hexagram 38?
 

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or just keep in contact with your old partner/girlfriend/boyfriend
 

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Tiger -- In that scenario you describe, how do you see Hexagram 38?
H38 is the Hexagram of Seeing Differently, or Opposing Visions. This may be his situation, that he sees things differently than his family or friends. Or perhaps that he is looking off in another direction.

It is hard to tell how this is appropriate for our friend. But I will tell a story. Once upon a time I discovered an esoteric teaching, and with the knowledge from this teaching, the world finally began to make sense. I could see certain things about my own behavior and other people's behavior. For a while this was exciting. But after a while, I realized I was wholly alone in my Opposing Vision. I couldn't endorse the other's view of the world, and I couldn't share my vision with most people. It was the nearest I ever came to understanding what it must be like to be "crazy."

So perhaps our friend has a radically different viewpoint or vision, and has no one to share it with, or it is so different that it encumbers him in day to day life. We would need more detail to know.

Advice from the Wikiwing: Scale things down, so you can appreciate both opposing viewpoints at once.

Tiger
 

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Lise calls 38 eyes looking askance and I like the image that it conjures up as eyes that see things differently. And that’s what I see in the reading – the need to reconcile a tension between acknowledging that the team horse has gone off and that is right and proper for it and the knowledge that the bond between you, while shifting a gear to something more ethereal, was also right and proper – a true bond.

38 for me is both the external context and the internal need for reconciling these two things. Of course you are sad, it IS sad - you have had a strong thing with this guy and now he is gone. I guess you need to just accept the sadness for a while and allow those two counterintuitive feelings to reside alongside each other. It takes time and it is a process and it will eventually pass is all I can say really.

Lucia
 

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I think it 61:2,4 also suggest to to keep trying to fix your broken relationship but do not expect any results. just try to fix it.

Thanks, right on gato. But I think that is exactly why I am so down. It's killing me. He has a new girlfriend, sometimes he calls me when he's got time between her and his job. I felt like the doggy waiting for leftovers. :bag: No hope for fixing, he told me.

So I actually finally drew some solid boundaries for us yesterday and told him not to call me or send me anymore messages. I feel like he was stringing me along with his random concern for me. Actually it was a really important step for me to take, and it definitely wasn't easy. but I feel like I might really be getting better now.

But then when I asked the yi (with some anxiety) what the effect of cutting him out completely was to have on me.
48.2,3-->8
Oh No! really?
So, I asked again later. Really, what is it that i need to understand about excommunicating him?
Hex 60 unchanging
So is the yi suggesting I am going too far and I shouldn't be so severe?

So I asked one more question: What if I open contact with him again in a few months? 24.1,4-->16

Wow, the yi seems pretty clear that it doesn't want me to cut him out for too long. Maybe he has something important to offer me as a friend or something? But I just can't emotionally handle contact with him right now. I don't want to imagine that the yi is saying that we could still get together again.. that hope is exactly what is driving me crazy!

:confused: maybe the yi is saying the the superior Kali would drop her stubborn ego attachments and emotional jeolousy and just accept it. :duh:god
 

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Thanks, right on gato. But I think that is exactly why I am so down. It's killing me. He has a new girlfriend, sometimes he calls me when he's got time between her and his job. I felt like the doggy waiting for leftovers. :bag: No hope for fixing, he told me.

So I actually finally drew some solid boundaries for us yesterday and told him not to call me or send me anymore messages. I feel like he was stringing me along with his random concern for me. Actually it was a really important step for me to take, and it definitely wasn't easy. but I feel like I might really be getting better now.

speaking only from my own opinion what you did was essential if you are to get over this. What hes wanting could be seen as 'having his cake and eating it'...easier for him because he moved on to a new girl so hes not so cut up as you are. Agony for you though. Maybe one day way down the line you may be able to be friends..but right now i think you are asking too much of yourself to somehow feel okay when still in contact with him. FWIW I think the step you took was wise...and brave.

But then when I asked the yi (with some anxiety) what the effect of cutting him out completely was to have on me.
48.2,3-->8
Oh No! really?

I'm seeing this as Yi suggesting you are dwelling on possible future emotional pain when you already have the means to cope with it (48.3)...and that this concern is somewhat draining to where you are now (48.2). You have resources now, don't waste them or look away from them because you believe somehow you will be 'damaged' or diminished in the future by loss of the relationship. That whole mind set drains you. You will naturally be drawn to what you belong with (hex 8).

Depends also what you mean by 'cutting out'. You won't be able to cut him out of your heart and nor would that really be good for you for with that you would also cut out what was precious...what you did have...which you carry with you...which i don't think can really be diminished. This is painful now...but in the long run i think people fare better after a break up if they don't try to tear the other out of their heart...BUT there is definately a time IMO where one has to cut out actual contact in order to move on..If one is still very emotionally involved continuing being friends is like repeatedly tearing the top of a scab thats trying to heal. nice analogy eh :mischief: I mean some people manage it,some people have to when they have kids...but for you it sounds preferable to minimize contact. And i think your intial answer 61.4 showed that breaking away being alone is your path at the moment...this breakup isn't signifying something terribly wrong, despite the pain, just how it is


So, I asked again later. Really, what is it that i need to understand about excommunicating him?
Hex 60 unchanging
So is the yi suggesting I am going too far and I shouldn't be so severe?

I think it may mean you need to take into account your own limits. Things that are too difficult can't be persisted in. Like it would be too much to expect yourself never to cry over him again or never long for him again ...you have to allow yourself some leeway..and you did phrase the question from your own POV. I don'tthink this about being too severe with him or not...cos right now Ithink you have to take care of your own emotional well being...he seems to be looking after his

I also find re reationships 60 unchanging can be about being very boundaried in what you talk about, only discussing whats necessary to discuss and so on. No need for contact if contact isnt actually necessary for any reason

So I asked one more question: What if I open contact with him again in a few months? 24.1,4-->16

Wow, the yi seems pretty clear that it doesn't want me to cut him out for too long. Maybe he has something important to offer me as a friend or something? But I just can't emotionally handle contact with him right now. I don't want to imagine that the yi is saying that we could still get together again.. that hope is exactly what is driving me crazy!

:confused: maybe the yi is saying the the superior Kali would drop her stubborn ego attachments and emotional jeolousy and just accept it. :duh:god

No i disagree with you here, I don't think the Yi is being clear that 'it doesn't want me to cut him out for too long'. 24 usually signifies return to ones core self and i think the answer asks you to 'come back' from this proposal of contacting him in a few months. 24.1 to me is saying come back from this idea, come back to yourself. And 24.4..well you return alone in this and i find 24.4 often very literal

What you call 'ego attachments' and 'emotional jealousy' here i see as perfectly normal human emotions when the one you love goes to be with someone else. It hurts like hell, you need to heal, its like being wounded...this isn't due to a failing on your part
its your heart...being authentic.

And i think from the first part of your post your heart already knows you need boundaries around this now....otherwise its like ripping a scab off it over and over and over again. I think you need to decide boundaries, without feeling bad about it..and only in the light of whats best for you...don't worry about him....
 
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There used to be a time when no woman would expect such a thing from herself as pandering to such a man, and would consider a guy who moves on and STILL wants her friendship and consolation to be a swine. I may be impossibly old fashioned, but in such a case, Hexagram 24 to me, means tell him to stuff it, and move on yourself, first to your own security and secondly to somebody who isn't being a pig.
 
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