61.5 and can you ask about another person

[el_2]

Hi all

I've read various postings in this site and I've seen that people often ask questions about other people's feelings, thoughts etc. This is not the way I usually pose questions. Usually I ask a "How do I..." question.

Anyway, reluctantly, I decided to give it a go and asked "How does X feel about me?" and got hex 61.5, relating hex 41. I say reluctantly not because I wouldn't want to know but because when I read the answers the Yi gives me I automatically feel it is talking to me. So I got quite confused and don't know what to make from the answer.

I'd appreciate any insights and I'd like to ask what people think. Is this really a good way to pose questions? I don't know if I'll ever try this again although it is very tempting.

El_2

 

[willowfox]

Firstly, there is no problem about asking questions how others are, think, feel etc, most questions seem to be asking about boyfriends, girlfriends, wifes, husbands, neighbours or clients.

"How does X feel about me?" and got hex 61.5, relating hex 41

It suggests that he feels that you are quite a strong minded person, very sincere with leadership abilities who is able to unite people as he feels that you inspire confidence in others, you get people to feel positive about themselves and their circumstances, you give hope to people around you. He also feels that you are not a greedy person, quite happy to do without if necessary, practical and down to earth.

 

[dobro p]

Firstly, there is no problem about asking questions how others are, think, feel etc

I disagree with this opinion entirely. Not only that, it's such a hot topic here that I would have thought WF might have phrased her opinion in a less dogmatic style.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here see nothing wrong with using the Yi to invade somebody's privacy. If you want to know how a person feels about you, then ask them. If they don't want to tell you, then you have no right to know. Using the Yi to find out is no different than tapping their phone line or reading their mail.

 

[willowfox]

If we disallow these types of questions then there would be hardly any questions to give answer to, all the divinatory forums would just cease to exist. The majority of people ask about other people so just go with the flow and relax, as there is no privacy in this world anymore and never will be.

 

[el_2]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here see nothing wrong with using the Yi to invade somebody's privacy. If you want to know how a person feels about you, then ask them. If they don't want to tell you, then you have no right to know. Using the Yi to find out is no different than tapping their phone line or reading their mail.[/QUOTE]

Personally, I don't think it is not legitimate to ask about someone else's feelings etc. because the way I see it, it is not about invading their privacy, it is more about intimations you get subconsciously that you're not able or have difficulty accessing and working out otherwise. I like to think that the Yi talks through your subconscious self in the sense that there are things you subconsciously receive, things you already know in way, but are not clear to you. To me the Yi is not divine prophesy or something coming from without so to speak.

Many years ago I read Jung's "Man and his Symbols". I can't give the gist of what I got from it now but I think that he moved along those lines regarding the unconscious self in general. But perhaps I'm wrong -I can't really remember after all those years.

So what I'm wondering about is how can one interpret questions posed about another person as the Yi seems to be talking directly to the inquirer. And, of course, how I can interpret the specific answer.

Hope this makes sense. English isn't my first language. Interesting discussion though - I think.

El_2

 

[Trojina]

Personally I rarely ask about anothers feelings for me but it has nothing to do with invasion of privacy. I believe the Yi is an intelligence that does not allow itself to be abused in such a way. Some here think that the Yi will tell them exactly what another is feeling and thinking always and i think this sets one well on the path to delusion as well as being very unfair to the person one asks about - for as we so often see here 'querants' would far rather believe a stranger on the internet than the person they call a friend or lover in real life and why they do that eludes me I sometimes think they jsut don't want to know they truth and any fabrication is better than that.

I was pretty gobsmacked to find Hilary recommending this thread in the friends notes she sends http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5664 so presumably Hilary must think this is more or less okay - but I thought it was a terrible example of being absolutely misguided in folly by making an assumption from a reading about what someone thought and then building on from that another question based on the belief that the answer to the first question was correct and so on and so on. A person is tried, found guilty, hung and quartered without even a say in the matter

I'm not wishing to get at those who participated in that reading, you know its up to them and though i did want to comment on that thread i kept quiet for the sake of the peace....but since the subject has come up, no, I personally feel to base ones actions on many questions about what another feels as in the above thread is just.... well the adjective escapes me.. ludicrous

Of course there can't be any notion of legitimate or not on what one asks the Yi since one can ask anything one chooses - but if you want a meaningful answer you understand i would say asking about others feelings isn't generally the best way to go for clarity, definately not the best way to go to dictate your future dealings with that person.

The Yi won't tell you everything about someone elses business, only what is okay for you to know so if you spend much time asking about others and the Yi isn't answering about them, more likley about you, you just get confused.

Also i personally think you miss the whole point of consulting the oracle if all you keep asking is "what does he feel" it just doesn't work as a spy tool. It can help you in so many ways in practical things and personal growth why so many people just focus on what others feel eludes me.

That was a rant know - but its been corked a long time what with thread i linked to. Not especially aimed at you El2 - occasionally it seems appropriate to me to ask anothers feeling but not half as much as alot of people do - and it sure seems excessive to me here at the moment

 

[el_2]

Well, this makes sense.

I still think it is legitimate to ask such a question but I'm not sure it is helpful at all. In the end it is about understanding the possibilities in the moment and acting accordingly yourself/myself. After all, I can only control my own actions - and that's a good thing of course.

However, I got an answer and I wouldn't like to disregard it completely because it would then feel as if I'm not being serious with the Yi. Perhaps I should read it as if the Yi is not directly answering my question but that it still has something to say to me personally?

I don't think I'll pose such a question again. It gets too confusing. But thanks Willowfox for offering an interpretation.

el_2

 

[Trojina]

If we disallow these types of questions then there would be hardly any questions to give answer to, all the divinatory forums would just cease to exist. The majority of people ask about other people so just go with the flow and relax, as there is no privacy in this world anymore and never will be.

There is privacy. You will never know what another thinks or feels if it is not right for you to know. You don't have access to the insides of other peoples minds even with the Yi. Still like i said there seem to be many out there that would rather believe you ,me or the dog about what their so called 'loved one' feels than their loved one him/herself. If thats love I'll eat my hat ! If you love someone, have the decency to ask their thoughts rather than ask x y or z on a forum about their thoughts

 

[spica]

First of all, am sorry if that thread was a disrespect to the Yi, but I never meant it that way. There are many oracles apart from the Yi that people use to ask about another.
Tarot, psychics, runes, astrology and numerology. It may be a disrespect if one actually knows what the hexagrams mean. But for the poor others who really don't, one question is as good as another. I don't think you will understand, but it is this way for me.

I am an astrologer more than an Yi-reader, so I don't think I can be blamed if I ask too many questions that irritate you. To the seasoned Yi reader, one hexagram tells all. but to the clueless, as I said before, it may look like greek. p.s; For the excellent astrologer, one peek at your natal chart can show you your soul. Now how unethical is that? I just need your birth date and time.

I don't think the yi minds students using it's hexagrams to learn, moreso about their personal lives. We all learn about the oracles this way, some more than others. I don't think those who claim a holy attitude haven't had their curiousity peaked enough to ask a revealing question.

Also, you don't know my situation, and to make an assumption (Trojan), isn't much better. People are complicated and if the yi can help some, I say go for it.
Now I took everything with a pinch of salt, although willowfox was mostly right. The basis of oracles would be that they offer a touch of mystery.

Those who know, do. As long as no-one is harmed, why not? Personally I wouldn't choose to place a personal life story for anyone to criticise or laugh at, but I knew that was one consequence. Further I feel it would help in understanding the hexes because some of it may definitely be wrong and are.

By the way, if I truly understood the first hexagram I got, I would not have any more incentive to ask.

 

[Trojina]

First of all, am sorry if that thread was a disrespect to the Yi, but I never meant it that way. There are many oracles apart from the Yi that people use to ask about another.
Tarot, psychics, runes, astrology and numerology. It may be a disrespect if one actually knows what the hexagrams mean. But for the poor others who really don't, one question is as good as another. I don't think you will understand, but it is this way for me.

I never said that thread was 'disrespect to the Yi' ! Can you tell me where i said that ? The Yi does not need protecting exactly.

I am an astrologer more than an Yi-reader, so I don't think I can be blamed if I ask too many questions that irritate you. To the seasoned Yi reader, one hexagram tells all. but to the clueless, as I said before, it may look like greek.

I've answered your questions many times before I think, and probably many times more gently encouraged you to ask more about what you do than ask about others feelings. You don't seem stupid so I don't understand why you are so willing to be led by the nose down the garden path . Anyhow you are just an example theres countless others willing to believe this kind of thing about their 'loved ones'. If you love someone talk to them rather than have them judged, hung, drawn and quartered by a stranger on the net before talking to them.

I don't think the yi minds students using it's hexagrams to learn, moreso about their personal lives. We all learn about the oracles this way, some more than others. I don't think those who claim a holy attitude haven't had their curiousity peaked enough to ask a revealing question.

Its not a question of the Yi minding its a question of whether yo want true meaningful answers . When you ask many questions about others you get confused and don't get meaningful answers. If you are happy with that please continue.

Also, you don't know my situation, and to make an assumption (Trojan), isn't much better. People are complicated and if the yi can help some, I say go for it.
Now I took everything with a pinch of salt, although willowfox was mostly right. The basis of oracles would be that they offer a touch of mystery

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I think I've answered enough of your questions in the past to know something about you. If you took Wfox answers with a pinch of salt why did you keep asking.

Those who know, do. As long as no-one is harmed, why not? Personally I wouldn't choose to place a personal life story for anyone to criticise or laugh at, but I knew that was one consequence. Further I feel it would help in understanding the hexes because some of it may definitely be wrong and are.

By the way, if I truly understood the first hexagram I got, I would not have any more incentive to ask

Sure don't take it too personally many other people come here to be told what their loved ones think, you are not the only one, but i picked your thread out as the most recent and extreme. I am not laughing at your story - I am saying I thought that your question answer session with Wfox was IMO a lesson in how not to use the Yi

Don't worry I'm just a ranting voice - the owner of the forum Hilary thought it was so okay she put a link to it in the friends notes so maybe its just me .........
but if you don't understand the first hexagram you got theres no use asking 34 more questions, that won't bring clarity. I mean we've all been there with the incessant question thing, I have too, but i think i was lucky in that at the time I didn't have someone at a forum giving me pat answers as to what x,y or z thought so I had to go round in my own circles which probably bought me to my senses quicker.

As for that thread, your friend showed you the gift so it would seem normal for you to casually ask why he gave it her, like was it birthday etc thats the only way for clarity there ASK unless you don't want to know the truth but prefer speculation from an intenet stranger

 

[Trojina]

Also nearly every querant wanting to know what someone else thinks claims their situation is very 'complicated' but the only person who makes it complicated is them by their refusal to communicate openly and their determination to have the advantage by consulting the Yi?tarot etc etc

Thats what its all mostly about these questions about others, the determination to have the advantage over the other so they can manipulate the situation better...but it doesn't work very well is all I'm saying

 

[em ching]

I think it's natural that you should want to ask the I-Ching about others - because that is what occupies most people's thoughts and emotions isn't it?
Well it does mine, and maybe that's a weakness?

Anyway I think it can illuminate a situation and maybe reveal the dynamics between you and another.. but I don't think it can tell you, for example, whether that person is interested in you or not because that depends on future interactions..

But I guess, when you like someone, you feel they could make you happy, and so consulting the oracle either gives you hope and encouragemnet or confirms that it's probably not the right person and you should back off a bit?
Or maybe it should be interpreted as providing illumination about you, about how to improve your own behaviour in order to potentially draw the person to you?

Hmm...

 

[Trojina]

Yes sure everyone asks questions about others sometimes but when it comes down to assessing someones motives, guessing an answer on that then making another question based on another piece of guesswork, and then making another assumption on another piece of guess work it just gets ridiculous when the querant themselves hasn't actually got a clue what their answers mean and starts believing or appearing to believe someone here like

did he steal the brooch ? -yes
why did he steal it ...blah blah
how did he feel about stealing it..blah blah
what does he think i think about him stealing it...blah blah
will he steal again...blah blah


by this time we have a complex picture of a theif who may become a hardened criminal except ...he didn't steal the brooch in the first place so all those following questions were based on a false assumption..due to not understanding the Yi was not going to answer your first question , it was talking about you because what you asked was not your business.

 

[spica]

Trojan, in defense of myself, you don't know my situation with my guy friend. I did mention in my threads that I tried to ask him but he always evades me. So I did ask.
I don't think you'd want to know any more about my personal life with them, but i'll just say that this is not a one off thing as you know. Some people love the status quo and if a couple of years won't do it, put in a couple more.

I feel it is justified for me prying into his or their lives to preserve my own sanity. If this is unethical and deserves a karmic payback then this prying is theirs. If I will have mine i willingly accept it because this is my choice. afterall what i know about the Yi is that it follows natural laws and so cause and effect here applies. The Yi apparently doesn't give me the hexagram 4 much, which I will take as a sign to stop.

So, your suggestion is that if they don't tell me something, I should just accept it. Well it's not that easy especially if much trust, friendship and love is involved. I want to know the truth, and I think it's justified for me to find all means to have it. I wouldn't say what Wfox and all of you experts here say is the truth (who would want to carry that burden of omni-knowledge-potence?) certainly not me, for the consequences are huge. That is why there's a huge disclaimer "For entertainment purposes" even though it is clearly not.

I take what wfox says with a grain of salt because we all know that interps are fallible. I don't understand hex 2.5 and still don't. Wfox didn't interpret it correctly (and not to attach so much responsibility to him/her) as I also read in manuals that it was what Wfox referred to.

I have asked the same question many many times, and most hexagrams were discarded. Only some that I felt strongly at that time for (connection) I post. They were discarded because I never knew how to interpret them, not my fault, eh? I usually find a hexagram that I am familiar with for my own answer.

now you are assuming "manipulation" here. If it applies to me now, then it should apply to all oracle readers, even knowledge seekers. I didn't think you got that I asked my boyfriend but he evaded it. He is excellent at that i must add. It is a game to him and it is not to me. Also, he may be afraid to tell me something for some reason and there's no other way to find out.

All knowledge must be used wisely. Manipulation is to use knowledge for your own gain. Yes, I did gain some, but at what expense of theirs?
To deny someone something that affcets their sanity is abuse. If your girlfriend cheats on you and NOBODY will talk about it what will you do? sit and stew and pretend nothing happened? Ethicall, you would ask their friends, families and enemies, and now what's the difference between asking them and the Yi? Because THEY are real people?

to me, I rather ask the Yi for some real answer than ask friends of friends. I'm not highly dramatic.

But through it all, I still love my boyfriend and I have an innate trust in him so there you go. Pretty complicated, eh?

I think Hilary chose the thread because it has multitude hexagrams all interpreted concisely by willowfox.

Anyway I am grateful for all your readings.
I also think you're entitled to your say. As in I wouldn't ask so many questions if I could, but then i've always been doing that.

 

[spica]

Yes sure everyone asks questions about others sometimes but when it comes down to assessing someones motives, guessing an answer on that then making another question based on another piece of guesswork, and then making another assumption on another piece of guess work it just gets ridiculous when the querant themselves hasn't actually got a clue what their answers mean and starts believing or appearing to believe someone here like

did he steal the brooch ? -yes
why did he steal it ...blah blah
how did he feel about stealing it..blah blah
what does he think i think about him stealing it...blah blah
will he steal again...blah blah


by this time we have a complex picture of a theif who may become a hardened criminal except ...he didn't steal the brooch in the first place so all those following questions were based on a false assumption..due to not understanding the Yi was not going to answer your first question , it was talking about you because what you asked was not your business.

Well ordinarily, a gift or token means something, so I didn't outright call him a theif and would brush it off if not for the other girl's overt nastiness towards me. Now why would she be nasty to me, I think? Is it related to the gift?
that is how I formulated my questions. I like to see what the Yi says and I don't see anything wrong with that. Even if it's interpreted wrongly, no matter, because then I see there is another facet to that hexagram.

I'm willing to be your iching guinea pig and write a real life story.. I'd be happy with that if i were a learner. and don't you worry about the guy i speak of. He's very well protected; I only ask what's related to me. I ask about him and her not for vice sake but just to know or give me an option of opinion. If the iching wouldnt say it I would have thought about it.

Now wouldn't you know nobody likes to talk about their intimate life especially if it means an ultimatum for breakig off ties? I wouldn't blame him, or her, for that matter, at all.

 

[jesed]

So, your suggestion is that if they don't tell me something, I should just accept it. Well it's not that easy especially if much trust, friendship and love is involved.

Well, in the way I (in my own experience) have learn what "trust", "friendship" and "love" mean.. yes... accept the other's silence is part of have trust in them; be friend of them; and love them

On the other way.. if I kept silence about something asked me for a friend; and then I'm aware that my friend attempted to discover what I kept for me, by other means.. then I would feel that our bound of trust, friendship and love has been hurted.

But that's just me, maybe

 

[maremaria]

I was pretty gobsmacked to find Hilary recommending this thread in the friends notes she sends http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5664

Well, I was surprised too.

Spica,

What everybody wanted to tell you in the other thread (with his/her own way) was that asking too many questions is confusing. I have asked Yi more questions that I should some times and I think that most of the people have done than. Its normal.

You don't need to defend yourself. I guess nobody asked you that. the message I think you should keep is "does it really help me to ask so many questions or not?"

 

[spica]

Jesed, if only I could have an amount of blind trust for someone. Ask me that 1 or 2 years ago and I'm with you.. That girl is no longer my friend, and i wonder if she's ever been.
you wouldnt keep a secret and be open from a friend, would you, especially if it involves them for years?
as for your partner... hmm, would love to trust him, and i'm still finding out if I should.
If I do and he's not to be trusted, who's the fool? I've been burned before and will certainly not allow it again.

 

[spica]

marie, I appreciate your semi sarcasm, but then I already knew that, nobody needed to tell me.

 

[jesed]

I must say that I haven't read your previous thread; but this answer seems to confirm that

There is no trust

Jesed, if only I could have an amount of blind trust for someone.

There is not friendship

That girl is no longer my friend, and i wonder if she's ever been.

The love relation, if it really exist, need an objective examination

as for your partner... hmm, would love to trust him, and i'm still finding out if I should.
If I do and he's not to be trusted, who's the fool? I've been burned before and will certainly not allow it again.

You asked me

you wouldnt keep a secret and be open from a friend, would you, especially if it involves them for years?

Well, the way I see friendship is like a free-space, where I'm not obligated to perfome some kind of emotional-striptease. And yes, I some times need to kept silence about something with my friends; and respect my firend's silences.

Of course, if the silence is about something I consider essential to the relation; then I would say so. If there is silence in something REALLY important of the relation, then I would examinate the relation itself, not "spy" on my partner.

But again, diferent people react in diferent ways

 

[ben_s]

I think it's natural that you should want to ask the I-Ching about others - because that is what occupies most people's thoughts and emotions isn't it?
Well it does mine, and maybe that's a weakness?

I wouldn't call it a weakness, but I would call it ineffective... if the goal is happiness and fulfilment.

If you really want to help someone be happy and fulfilled, doesn't it make sense that a great place to start is to ask them what helps them be happy and fulfilled?

If you already know what helps them be happy and fulfilled, doesn't it make sense to do the action that is in your power to help bring about that situation?

If you need to see other people thank you before you can feel happy and fulfilled, aren't you putting your self-image into the hands of other people? What qualifies them to be good judges of your life?

Anyway, since it's an I Ching forum, how about asking the Oracle something like:
What should I know about my interest in readings about other people?

 

[maremaria]

marie, I appreciate your semi sarcasm, but then I already knew that, nobody needed to tell me.

Mea culpa

 

[spica]

Too bad jesed, that you feel the need to justify your friendships to me.
nd to make blanket statements like yours are seriosuly limiting.
there is friendship, trust and love between any of us, but I need not justify which to you.
Anyway your answer was in no way constructive, and since you havent read some parts, I could conclude that what you said was in some way, typed in a spirit of derision.

thanks for the entertainment anyway. Nice judgment again which i will not take.
"But again, diferent people react in diferent ways" - Seems to imply yours is the better of the ways; wont argue there. suit yourself, dude.

 

[jesed]

Too bad jesed, that you feel the need to justify your friendships to me.

I don't. You asked me something; I answered you. That's all

"But again, diferent people react in diferent ways" - Seems to imply yours is the better of the ways

Not at all. Diferent doesn't implies (in me) better or worse; just diferent

Best

 

[Trojina]

Trojan, in defense of myself, you don't know my situation with my guy friend. I did mention in my threads that I tried to ask him but he always evades me. So I did ask.
I don't think you'd want to know any more about my personal life with them, but i'll just say that this is not a one off thing as you know. Some people love the status quo and if a couple of years won't do it, put in a couple more.

Spica i don't think you need to defend yourself. I don't think you are guilty, you can ask what you want but don't be too surprised when you get to question number 34 about someone elses feelings and its clearly getting you nowhere except more confused,that someone might want to comment. Not commenting at the time was hard, though i don't see you as a guilty of anything really, I just thought this is rather absurd, perhaps someone need say something.

I feel it is justified for me prying into his or their lives to preserve my own sanity. If this is unethical and deserves a karmic payback then this prying is theirs. If I will have mine i willingly accept it because this is my choice. afterall what i know about the Yi is that it follows natural laws and so cause and effect here applies. The Yi apparently doesn't give me the hexagram 4 much, which I will take as a sign to stop.

How many times do i have to repeat I do not think the Yi allows you to pry into others feelings if not necessary. If it doesn't allow you to pry you can't pry - so I can't accuse you of prying, nor want to accuse you of anything, I'm only saying it doesn't work well trying to get inside others minds repeatedly so its pointless. I think occasionally on special occasions the Yi will answer about others - but I'm always cautious about how I'd interpret the answer.

So, your suggestion is that if they don't tell me something, I should just accept it. Well it's not that easy especially if much trust, friendship and love is involved. I want to know the truth, and I think it's justified for me to find all means to have it. I wouldn't say what Wfox and all of you experts here say is the truth (who would want to carry that burden of omni-knowledge-potence?) certainly not me, for the consequences are huge. That is why there's a huge disclaimer "For entertainment purposes" even though it is clearly not.

You wont know any more of the truth about them most of the time by asking the Yi since I think it doesn't tell you alot of the time if its none of your business. .

 

[Trojina]

Well ordinarily, a gift or token means something, so I didn't outright call him a theif and would brush it off if not for the other girl's overt nastiness towards me. Now why would she be nasty to me, I think? Is it related to the gift?
that is how I formulated my questions. I like to see what the Yi says and I don't see anything wrong with that. Even if it's interpreted wrongly, no matter, because then I see there is another facet to that hexagram.

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I used the thief idea as a random example, nothing to do with your boyfriend or your story.

 

[willowfox]

Hi Spica,

Take no notice of what other people think is the right or wrong approach, just do your own thing. Why are you defending yourself, you have done nothing wrong. When people need information they ask lots of questions, just like the police do when they conduct an investigation. A single hex is not going to answer all your questions, that would be impossible. You have a deep problem that requires asking quite a few questions, so go ahead and ask. If people on this forum feel offended by your need for answers better that they just ignore your posts.

We learn by asking questions! And who says there is a limit on how many questions we are each allowed to ask!

 

[em ching]

I agree that if you feel you still need illuminating on a situation you should ask again, though maybe approach it differently by asking a different question.

However, if you get too many hexagrams for the same question they could become meaningless? As every hexagram could say something about your situation?

The I ching has always served me well in the past and I've know when to stop instinctively but recently because my method was wrong regarding which lines were moving (I have now resolved the issue and am treating tails as Yang instead) to a recent scenario I've been thinking about, I have had many different hexagrams, some hopeful and some not at all.. so I don't know how to feel about my prospects...

So getting to many hexagrams for the same scenario ain't such a good plan either...
Because I think i'm right in thinking that some hexagrams are positive and encouraging, whereas others decidedly aren't.. right?

 

[hilary]

I think Hilary chose the thread because it has multitude hexagrams all interpreted concisely by willowfox.

Yes, exactly. I was pointing to the 'speed reading' aspect. (If there are outstanding readings going on that I'm missing when I compile the links, use the rating system to make sure they get seen!) Also I notice by no means all of the questions on that thread are in the 'invasion of privacy' category: there's plenty of 'what if?' and 'how can I?'

 

[el_2]

The discussion has really taken off. I did not expect it when I sent this post.

Though I'm an inexperienced I Ching user, I think that the point is that perhaps knowing what someone else feels is not very helpful. There are more fruitful ways to use the oracle since much of what you want to get out of a certain situation depends on you. So it is more helpful to ask what action you need to take or what you need to know in order to get to your goal (although the goal can't always be attainable). I strongly feel that for me it is a matter of taking advantage of the possibilities inherent in the moment - so many things don't work out because of bad timing.

But I have a question for those who don't think that it's OK to ask about someone else or that it is not helpful. Isn't it practically the same to ask a question like "What would the outcome be if I trusted a certain person in a certain situation"? Or not? I mean this a question I think I would ask because it involves my decisions and actions but still it gives me a clue about another person.

el_2