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i was told that at the end of the year, a TRUE LOVE will appear. so i asked this question on the ICHING -

Where is my true love?


I received Hexagram 61 - Inner Truth with line 6 changing.

Inner truth to me, feels like i should be seeking something inside of me that will allow this "love" to receive me? being at peace.

then, the changing line was 33 - Retreat
can you help me with this question please....

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61,6 - You are far from you inner, intuitive truth. Think about what you might want in a relationship in a more practical way. What kind of love are YOU looking for?
33 - Slow down. Take small steps towards building connections with people you know. Build your network of trusted friends carefully.
 

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I certainly don't think anyone online is in a position to determine where you stand re. your inner
truth and/or intuition. Look deep within and reflect that which you wish to attract. The potential/
resulting Hex suggests taking your time about it. Allow the universal process to enfold - that's divine order. And ... wish, wish, wish ... be careful what you wish for and be precise cos you might just receive it.
 

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thank you so much for your responses

Funny, but you are not the first person to say ..."Be careful what you wish for.." Yes, I have written and re-written exactly the type of love i wish for. and i have thoroughly thought about it all year.

Lets hope that I GET THIS MAN into my life. He is wonderful...

do any of these Hex show a month? is he out there? closer?

:bows::bows:

THEMIS - CLEAR out your box..its full
 
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I certainly don't think anyone online is in a position to determine where you stand re. your inner truth and/or intuition.

My comment is only based on the Hex and line chosen, line 6 of Inner Truth. This line indicates a chance that the questioner might have a head in "the clouds".
As Karcher says:
Nine Above:
A soaring sound mounts to Heaven.
Divination: the Way is closed.
This is enthusiasm that flies above itself and carries you away. There is no real substance in this relationship. Ask yourself why you are doing this? The Way is closing. Direction: Set limits and articulate desires. Take things in. Be open and provide what is needed.

In other words, don't just imagine a perfect mate, get out there and meet real people.

Best wishes!
 

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HI there my friend...

There is no real substance in this relationship. Ask yourself why you are doing this? The Way is closing.


what is this talking about? I am not, nor have i ever been in a relationship with anyone in years....last year there was someone, but he has gone, what is this talking about?

i have been meeting people, and i do Know what i want and need.

could these Hex's be warning me of someone that will come into my life and my "head will be above the clouds again" like last time?

please explain....i am wanting to learn.

for all who help me...thank you so much. :bows:
 

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Just to point this out... 61.6 changes to 60, not 33.
This hex. is what Karcher's phrase: "set limits and articulate desires" refers to.
"Take things in" refers to its first generation nuclear, hex. 27.
"Be open and provide what is needed" refers to its second generation nuclear, hex. 2.
 

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"There is no real substance in this relationship."
Here I believe the Oracle is talking about a mental relationship that you have with a non-existent, idealized man that you have imagined but have yet to encounter in real life.

"Ask yourself why you are doing this?"
It is always helpful to be able to take a more objective view of our own behavior and motivations. This advice is very practical and asks you to try to assess your own behavior, thinking in terms of how well it has worked for you so far.

"The Way is closing."
'The Way' means the path of the Tao, which is an approach to living your life in a healthy, balanced way. If we maintain balance, wisdom, patience, self-respect, etc. then we will have a good happy life because we are in alignment with 'The Way'.

Good luck, and much happiness to you!
 

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Just to point this out... 61.6 changes to 60, not 33.
This hex. is what Karcher's phrase: "set limits and articulate desires" refers to.
"Take things in" refers to its first generation nuclear, hex. 27.
"Be open and provide what is needed" refers to its second generation nuclear, hex. 2.

Thanks for the correction. I will need to check changing lines more carefully in the future. I did not question this one until now.

The interpretations of 61.6 remain the same as previous posts.

Changing to Hex 60, Karcher's definition: "Articulating. Articulating means stilling, finding the voice and the time." The keys are communication and to be receptive.
 

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sorry i asked

have to watch more Kung Fu episodes now.

this "non-existant" man that i hope one day to meet? I have the physical and spiritual picture in my mind. I felt that if i saw that in my mind, The gift of power of the mind, i can have this happen.

i did not know this was not the way to do it. forgive me.

i am more confused now....:confused::confused:

this was a deep question...need to understand in English
 

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have to watch more Kung Fu episodes now.

this "non-existant" man that i hope one day to meet? I have the physical and spiritual picture in my mind. I felt that if i saw that in my mind, The gift of power of the mind, i can have this happen.

i did not know this was not the way to do it. forgive me.

i am more confused now....:confused::confused:

this was a deep question...need to understand in English


61.6 advises one not to keep on calling out for what one wants...it has no impact and is possibly not really coming from a place of 'inner truth'. The image in 61.6 is of a cockerel trying to reach heaven by crowing...or maybe a cockerel trying to make dawn come quicker by pleading and crowing. You know what...I have had this line sometimes when I thought i was making a most sincere plea to the universe....and it comes as a bit of a slap in the face, but in hindsight you see its right....all that calling out was empty, not the right mind set for dealing with how things are, not recognising the limits of the situation you must deal with (60)


The sound of pleading does permeate this and other threads of yours...as if you feel if only you keep on callling out about what you want it will come.

This answer firmly advises you this is not the way to deal with your wishes right now.... I see others advise you to clearly visualise your ideal man and so on in the hope this will make the universe materialise him. I see what they mean BUT actually here I think its better not to do that too rigourously because its all part of the pleading behaviour.( i think what was meant by the 'non existent man' was your ideal fantasy that is not yet real....the advise was to stop calling out after that, and 61.6 confirms that advise IMO)

If it isn't right for you to meet someone, if theres other things in life you need to give attention to no amount of pleading or viualising will get it because perhaps it isn't part of your path right now. (Plus perhaps this mindset of pleading actually creates a blockage to getting what you want.)

Also has occured to me maybe if you so want a man in your life why not try all the dating agencies, online dating sites or speed dating etc etc. Maybe you need to be more proactive if you have such an urgent need for 'romance'. Must be lots of men who would like to meet you. I'm not sure if thats a good idea or not but maybe you could ask Yi about that ? Right now you have a totally passive, fatalistic view that the right man will turn up and claim you if only you plead hard enough to the universe etc but that doesn't seem the way to go... so either get busy with other things in your life or be more proactive in a 'man hunt' LOL

Why not take this intense focus off pleading to the universe (and the forum ;)) for romance and just get on with what interests you and what you enjoy and so on and then at any time 'love' may enter your life while you are doing all that.

Thats not a prediction, I'm not saying you will meet someone or that you won't meet someone I don't know. It would be better for you I think to stop hanging on other peoples predictions, constantly calling out for what you want. I feel 61.6 shows it would be helpful to drop that behaviour.

I also wonder how helpful consulting the I Ching is to you ? Most of the time it seems only to confuse you , others interpretations confuse you. Maybe as has been suggested before you should get an I Ching book, like Hilarys...or one in your own language (can't tell what that is ?) then you would feel more secure in the meanings of your answers for yourself before asking here and then getting further confused.

As a matter of interest have you ever found any answers here, that you take as from the I Ching, to be real...or useful in anyway. Did any predictions given you ever actually happen ? Have any predictions anyone gave you ever happened ? If not why keep on relying on them ? Just curious. Don't respond if its too personal a question.



BTW puzzled by reference to Kung Fu movies
 
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i was told that at the end of the year, a TRUE LOVE will appear. so i asked this question on the ICHING -

Where is my true love?



:bows:

Who told you that ? What made them say that ? If they were right then he only has about 1 month left to appear. Hope you didn't pay this person any money..............
 

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Well, IMO going out for the sole purpose of meeting someone isn't really the solution. The right person or wrong person with whom you could have a relationship will come along at the right time. Even the 'wrong' person may impart some knowledge and that may be the purpose of their presence in your life for a duration of time. You may be called upon to also guide them (him) in some way. Life's lessons ...

So .. by all means go out and socialize but not for the sole purpose of attracting a potential
'beau'. It's so much nicer when things fall together spontaneously without premeditation and without
expecting it at all. The element of 'surprise' is capable of dazzling all - no matter the age. Ever
watched 'Seventh Heaven' ? It's a German film ... she's 60 and he's 77 and they're both taken quite
by surprise at the mutual and instant attraction they feel for each other. They're literally the perfect
fit ... third chance !
 

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Well, IMO going out for the sole purpose of meeting someone isn't really the solution. The right person or wrong person with whom you could have a relationship will come along at the right time. Even the 'wrong' person may impart some knowledge and that may be the purpose of their presence in your life for a duration of time. You may be called upon to also guide them (him) in some way. Life's lessons ...

So .. by all means go out and socialize but not for the sole purpose of attracting a potential
'beau'. It's so much nicer when things fall together spontaneously without premeditation and without
expecting it at all. The element of 'surprise' is capable of dazzling all - no matter the age. Ever
watched 'Seventh Heaven' ? It's a German film ... she's 60 and he's 77 and they're both taken quite
by surprise at the mutual and instant attraction they feel for each other. They're literally the perfect
fit ... third chance !

:confused: no I don't know it but it is a movie There is a difference between movies and real life. 61.6 is not telling Amy to sit around fantasizing about the perfect man, quite the reverse.


So the opposite of just calling out for him, pleading with the universe, is maybe to either get on with other things or maybe go look for for what she wants.

Its your opinion people shouldn't go on dating websites etc...but thats nothing to do with the reading. Many people don't meet many others of the opposite sex in everyday life. I have known people get together through dating sites and so on, and develop important long term relationships through them where they never would have met that person in the natural course of daily living...so I'm not understanding your blanket disapproval of such methods. I'm sure it can be risky but using common sense it may be okay and at least by actually meeting real live men she has more chance of finding love than sitting home just asking for god to send him along and asking us and fortune tellers when god is going to send him along. She has been asking this same question for a very long time

At least by seeking men who are wanting a relationship she is going to connect hopefully with someone who wants what she does...rather than pin her hopes on some married man who only wants to be 'friends' as she has in the past.

You advised her "wish wish wish" but surely that is the precise opposite to the advice given in 61.6. How do you see 61.6 as meaning 'wish wish wish' ? Thats what the cockerels doing sending his wishes out with his crowing. But his crowing has no effect. You talked about the 'divine order' unfolding then said 'wish wish wish'. But what if it is not part of the 'divine order' for her to have romance right now....no amount of wishing will make it happen...or what if it is part of the divine order that she learns to take responsibility for her own life, to be more proactive and go find someone...I've no idea what the 'divine order' is for her but right now I wouldn't see 61.6 as go on and on wishing because it happened in some movie

Probably 61.6 is not the time to be running your life like an excerpt from "The Secret" or something
 
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Trojan - whatever. Haven't expressed disapproval re. dating sites. Well maybe the advice is
somewhat contradictory - whatever. She'll take what suits her and act according to her own
judgement. Wishing does work, needless to say 'everything in moderation'. Haven't read
'The Secret' so no comment thereto.

In any case how can we possibly know if 61.6 is in fact answering her Q re. a suitor.
Amy has asked these Qs. over and over again. Line 61.6 could merely reflect her present state
of crying out wistfully with persistent longing, not necessaritly implying that the time's not right.
Time will tell (soon) if her astrologer's prediction is accurate re. timing.
Whatever will be will be - with or without my advice and interpretations.

FYI - scenarios as mentioned in the film do actually happen in real life. The percentage is
obviously quite low.
 

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Trojan - whatever. Haven't expressed disapproval re. dating sites. Well maybe the advice is
somewhat contradictory - whatever. She'll take what suits her and act according to her own
judgement. Wishing does work, needless to say 'everything in moderation'. Haven't read
'The Secret' so no comment thereto.

I have not said 'wishing does not work'......I said it wouldn't seem the advice of 61.6 to go on wishing and to make wishing ones primary activity towards reaching a desired goal. You haven't yet said why you think 61.6 means go on wishing so I'll take it you weren't saying it as a response to the reading but just a general comment.

In any case how can we possibly know if 61.6 is in fact answering her Q re. a suitor.
Amy has asked these Qs. over and over again. Line 61.6 could merely reflect her present state
of crying out wistfully with persistent longing, not necessaritly implying that the time's not right.
Time will tell (soon) if her astrologer's prediction is accurate re. timing.

True enough, these questions have been asked over and over again. But actually that was my point..I did see the answer as reflecting her present state, it was referring to her state of mind of 'crying out wistfully' not really taking her anywhere. In 61.6 the attitude of wishfully crying out, however sincere, is not the way to go.

Also if you read what I said, the idea that the time was not right was only one possibility as to why constantly pleading was not a good idea, I also said she may need to be more proactive etc etc. Which alternative is best to constant pleading for what you want, whether its contented acceptance, being more engaged with ones life, or being more actively outgoing, I don't know...its just 61.6 tells you the pleading option doesn't work.

Having studied astrology I would say her astrologer was making statements way beyond his/her remit. I won't be hanging on to see if the timing is accurate....astrology is not this kind of fortune telling IMO

Whatever will be will be - with or without my advice and interpretations.

FYI - scenarios as mentioned in the film do actually happen in real life. The percentage is
obviously quite low.

I'm sure they do sometimes and I haven't said they don't but I was talking about the reading of 61.6

I couldn't see how encouraging wishing fitted with 61.6. ..and because these exact same questions have been asked by Amy for some long time now I thought 61.6 might be a cue for her to move away from this whole mind set that holds her asking the same question over and over again as if there were some predestined fixed time when a romance will appear and that someone can actually tell her when that precise moment would be.

However as you say 'whatever will be will be'. If Amy wants to hold that belief she will go holding it regardless of any advice from others.

Mostly I don't respond to her queries but now and then her utter confusion about her answers makes me give my POV...though I am sure she would benefit hugely from buying an I Ching book as right now my impression is she uses the online tool with the very brief translations and then can't make sense of them ?...she will correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure if you know about the 'hexagram search' facility here Amy....there you can see what others have said about the lines. Click 'search' at top right of screen then go to "hexagram index"...its very helpful
 
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Wow thank you guys

I AM THROWING AWAY "THE SECRET" BOOK AND STOP "VISUALIzING" MY LIFE AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. HOLY SMOKES....THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT BOOK SHOULD OF CONSULTED WITH ALL OF YOU - These things I guess Never Do work.

Maybe I should just stop this longing -

all those stupid love story movies - poems - songs -

all for not.

no i never paid anyone for this. i just was wondering....that is all.

Love - in the romantic scense - would NEVER exist for me......

i will just keep adopting dogs and live the life alone....God must of wanted that for me

Namaste
i will print this out because you guys give great advise. thank you...:bows::bows:
 

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Trojan - ARE YOU IN LOVE? ARE YOU BEING ROMANCED BY SOMEONE? Just curious...



so either get busy with other things in your life or be more proactive in a 'man hunt' LOL

OMG Trojan...."man hunt" is not a good thing to say. Men are NOT animals, this term is awful. Also, MEN ARE ALWAYS AROUND, AVAILABLE AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR ME...Its just that I DESIRE THE RIGHT MAN. I am proactive with my friends and I go out. I do not sit home and watch movies all day long and listen to crappy Celine Dion songs (she is AWFUL). Thank you though for giving me hope and keeping my spirits up. No more trips to Victoria Secret for this gal. From now on, its Long Flannel nightgowns for me....Heck, i can wear anything... I just need that extra bag of oreos.....LOLOLOLOLOL
 
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Jfwiw, I completely agree with Trojan's position concerning this reading. I'm a "believer" of the ability to manifest our own reality, but I've only rarely seen pleading or bleating work. Proclaiming is much more effective, but usually pulls a wagon of corpses or devils with it, and so the outcome still isn't according to our own consciously written script.

On the other hand, or in addition, the male quail announces his piercing song persistently from the highest point of his desert landscape. His call reaches not only heaven, but more importantly, the potential mate(s) he courts.
 

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I AM THROWING AWAY "THE SECRET" BOOK AND STOP "VISUALIzING" MY LIFE AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. HOLY SMOKES....THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT BOOK SHOULD OF CONSULTED WITH ALL OF YOU - These things I guess Never Do work.

Maybe I should just stop this longing -

all those stupid love story movies - poems - songs -

all for not.

no i never paid anyone for this. i just was wondering....that is all.

Love - in the romantic scense - would NEVER exist for me......

i will just keep adopting dogs and live the life alone....God must of wanted that for me

Namaste
i will print this out because you guys give great advise. thank you...:bows::bows:

No Amy, never ever give up on love.
I'm sure there is somebody for you out there.
Maybe he is just like lost keys. Once you stop looking for them, that's when you find them.

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WHO IS PLEADING???? WHERE IS PLEADING HERE IN MY QUESTION? I JUST ASKED...WHERE IS HE? OMG! I HAVE WRITTEN THIS WONDERFUL PERSON DOWN ON PAPER FOR ONE YEAR NOW! I HAVE EVEN WRITTEN SEVERAL OTHER wishes down. they have come true.....i have manifested things and yes, they have happen. I AM NOT BEGGING OR PLEADING.....I was just asking. OMG! OUT LOUD ALREADY (LOLOLOLOLOL) forget i even asked......I am just going to use this as another one of my "stand up" comedy skits. Its all too funny - maybe HE will be sitting in the front row of The Comedy Club in La and meet me there. I think that this "MAN" might be laughing so hard he would HAVE TO MEET ME!!!!! AHHHHHHH....CVS...open 24 hours........thank goodness......lololololololololololol
 

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Amy, you shouldn't be so upset over the discussion here . . since you posted your question, people will comment, and each one's comment will come bearing their own history and experience . . not your truth, just their views and opinions.
Each one knows what works best for them and how they deal with crises . . please calm down and take care of yourself . . we create our own reality by being strong enough to see and respond to the challenges presented to us . . happiness might just be a state of mind.
As for love . . I don't think wishing alone (even out loud) ever made it come true . . maybe more like faith in oneself and the right amount of boldness

best of luck
 

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WHO IS PLEADING???? WHERE IS PLEADING HERE IN MY QUESTION? I JUST ASKED...WHERE IS HE? OMG! I HAVE WRITTEN THIS WONDERFUL PERSON DOWN ON PAPER FOR ONE YEAR NOW! I HAVE EVEN WRITTEN SEVERAL OTHER wishes down. they have come true.....i have manifested things and yes, they have happen. I AM NOT BEGGING OR PLEADING.....I was just asking. OMG! OUT LOUD ALREADY (LOLOLOLOLOL) forget i even asked......I am just going to use this as another one of my "stand up" comedy skits. Its all too funny - maybe HE will be sitting in the front row of The Comedy Club in La and meet me there. I think that this "MAN" might be laughing so hard he would HAVE TO MEET ME!!!!! AHHHHHHH....CVS...open 24 hours........thank goodness......lololololololololololol

Might be more useful to think about what 61.6 means to you ? If you don't like my interpretation then how about offering one of your own. How do you see the crowing of that cockerel in 61.6 ?

actually are you sure you even got 61.6 ? You said 61.6 changed to 33 but as someone pointed out 61.6 changes to 60. Do you know what answer you actually got.

This problem of you not knowing what your answer actually is is a long standing one and I wonder why if you can't figure it out you don't try some other divination practise like Tarot or Angel cards or something...because otherwise people can be interpreting answers you never actually got. Other people are interpreting them but you make no attempt to do so yourself

As for who is pleading...well you have pleaded often to me and others for help in figuring when this guy is going to come along....I just get the impression that you are pleading all the time...pleading in your own mind this man will come along.

I made some suggestions as to what else you could do apart from plead...one was to try dating agencies etc so all this you have said about long nighties and dogs and oreos seems a bit peculiar.

You have been pleading on this forum for a long time. I thought 61.6, as an image of pleading, might indicate there was another way to go about getting what you desire. But seems you are determined to keep on in 'plead mode' which is your choice.

I did not ever say you could not get what you desire so don't twist my words.

I wasted enough time on this thread with you. I won't be answering you again


Good Luck
 
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thank you

Trojan, your words are welcomed. Always...please do not ever think that helping someone is "wasting your time". we are all teachers and students to one another.

all of you are good people. you are all generous. No wasting time on this forum to help each other out.

:bows:
 

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WHO IS PLEADING???? WHERE IS PLEADING HERE IN MY QUESTION? I JUST ASKED...WHERE IS HE? OMG! I HAVE WRITTEN THIS WONDERFUL PERSON DOWN ON PAPER FOR ONE YEAR NOW! I HAVE EVEN WRITTEN SEVERAL OTHER wishes down. they have come true.....i have manifested things and yes, they have happen. I AM NOT BEGGING OR PLEADING.....I was just asking. OMG! OUT LOUD ALREADY (LOLOLOLOLOL) forget i even asked......I am just going to use this as another one of my "stand up" comedy skits. Its all too funny - maybe HE will be sitting in the front row of The Comedy Club in La and meet me there. I think that this "MAN" might be laughing so hard he would HAVE TO MEET ME!!!!! AHHHHHHH....CVS...open 24 hours........thank goodness......lololololololololololol

Dear amy luisa,
Thanks for giving me so much more insight on Hex 61.6!
You crow and crow with little regard for the other voices in a perfect illustration of this line. There is a competitive edge to the noise of the crowing. You drown out the other voices acting as if you are above the others and that God/PerfectMan will fall in love from the front row at The Comedy Club - you up on stage, the star of the show: COCKADOOODLLLLEEEEDOOO!!!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOOLOOLOO!!!!!!!!!

Perfect teachers like you are all around us. Many thanks!
 
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thank you

I feel that i like to make people smile. if i gave you one today that is a blessing.

namaste to you.

this is a good site to learn from.

Always laugh - smile - its the best cure!:rofl::rofl:
 

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God is the Perfect Man. No one else is above him....there is NO Perfect Man.
 

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one of the "rules" of manifesting your desires is to keep them quiet aand private.. in order to build the energy and avoid naysayers who cause doubt...and unless you are with a master mind group devoted to each other's process, any person you "leak" your dream to is likely to raise an eyebrow and be a naysayer of sorts. human nature.

so 61.6 says you squawk too much about it. and fwiw, it sounds to me like you squawk like you have faith but you really dont ( very 61.6)....and that is wwhy you get angry at others who challenge you
 

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