62.3 (62 > 16) about possible relationship

[remthebeat]

So, my friend asked me to try and help him with Yi Jing. The question was "What can (Friends name) do to have a relationship with (other persons name)?" And what I got was 62.3. From what I understand the other person might not be into men, but my friends not sure. They've known each other for like 3 years and he loves her. But she might not be into men. How can one relate to 62.3? Can the relationship work out or is it telling him to be careful?

 

[Liselle]

'Not going past, he defends himself.
Someone following may strike him down.
Pitfall.' (Hilary's book)

62.3 to 16

"Not going past, he defends himself" - I think this means he should cross the line and approach her about it. He has to find out the answer sometime, somehow, right? He's probably afraid of having his hopes dashed (this is understandable), but if the fact is she's not interested he'll have to know eventually.

There are worse ways to find out than to ask her and have her (hopefully gently) explain she's not interested. For instance he could get an invitation to her wedding or something. Might be what "Someone following may strike him down" means - the truth will catch up eventually. Not sure about that part, though.

Probably the same thing even if she would be interested. He wouldn't want to find out 2 years from now that she might've been interested if only he'd asked her.

 

[Olga Super Star]

That's a horrible line I usually receive when someone is doing things behind my back but I like Liselle's interpretation.
I would just add that should he refrain from proposing, someone else (male or female) may shift the girl out of his hand (striking his back).

So tell him to act. The worst thing that can happen is to receive a no, but courage is always rewarded!

 

[Liselle]

That's a horrible line I usually receive when someone is doing things behind my back

That could be! Not in a horrible sneaky way - they don't have a relationship, so there's nothing to sneak around behind - but he might not know if she's already involved with someone.

 

[moss elk]

So, my friend asked me to try and help him with Yi Jing. The question was "What can (Friends name) do to have a relationship with (other persons name)?" And what I got was 62.3.

The line is warning of danger.

Your friend must consider the possibility that the other party (or someone in that persons orbit) could be a sociopath, ax murderer, member of trumps cabinet...etc

Or they can ignore it at their peril.

 

[Olga Super Star]

A murderer even?!?

 

[moss elk]

A murderer even?!?

They sneak up from behind and attack,
don't they?

(I was raised around the lowest of humanity,
trust me, there are many out there.)

 

[Olga Super Star]

But what about my idea that if he doesn’t propose someone else might strike him down, meaning stealing the woman and get with her?

Discarded completely?

 

[moss elk]

But what about my idea...
Discarded completely?

It's not so much that I am discarding anything....
It's more that I am struck by the intensity of the words in the line.
And from my experience,
when I get a very dark, intense, dramatic line that seems out of place...
it is usually a wake up call, a warning.

The question could be seen as a conversation like this:
Enthusiastic Querant:
"I want her, how can I get her?"
Yi:
"Trust me, you don't want her.
She (or her crazy Ex-) is dangerous"


I currently work as security for a small community of 1,000 people and got this line about the nature of the job: I must be continually alert for danger, anything from an intoxicated villager, to trespassing thieves, to mentally ill people that wander in from the park, delivery men just out of prison, belligerents of all kinds.
I think it is really about danger.

 

[moss elk]

Oh and,
I once chose to ignore the warning in 62.1 and that resulted in a tire blow out while driving, a near accident, and expensive repairs.
So, I won't ignore any warnings from 62's lines- 1,3,4 or 6. in the future.

(the bird flies low because it is dangerous to fly high)

 

[Liselle]

I think you're making good points, M.E., it's certainly wise to take 62 seriously.

But lines are scalable. Not everyone lives on a pirate ship. The chances of this woman being an ax murderer are...

(later) - but, I mean, it's certainly good to present a range of experiences. It's important to know 62.3 really has gone very badly at times in real life.

 

[moss elk]

I think you're making good points, M.E., it's certainly wise to take 62 seriously.
But lines are scalable. Not everyone lives on a pirate ship. The chances of this woman being an ax murderer are...

...Certainly rare, statistically. Sure.
What do I think of the chance this reading is a warning of some kind?
100%

 

[Liselle]

The chance this reading is a warning of some kind?
100%

So you genuinely don't think it could be a good warning? That he's currently defending himself against disappointment by not talking to her / asking her out? (Serious question, not being flippant.)

 

[moss elk]

So you genuinely don't think it could be a good warning?

A 'good warning' is one that keeps you out of danger/trouble, no?
Is there any other kind of warning?

...That he's currently defending himself against disappointment by not talking to her / asking her out? (Serious question, not being flippant.)

I'm often over the top-dramatic with my expressions to shock a bit, to wake.
(this is due to having witnessed much of the extremes that humanity is capable of,
highs and lows.) So, while the whole world is not a pirate ship, neither is it all Mayberry or Suburbia or Shire. (mmm.. second breakfast and elevenses)

But consider:
There are so many 'green light' readings he could have gotten.
Instead of any of those numerous
'green lights',
he got one that contains these words:

Not going past, he defends himself.
Someone following may strike him down.
Pitfall.'

It describes someone attacking him
from behind. (not someone grabbing the lilly on the shelf that he had his eye on or eating the last doughnut)
And striking him down! and a pitfall!
(ever fall down a full flight of stairs?
falling into a pit-trap is much worse)

I see no encouragement in this line for the idea of a connection here, only a warning of danger. I can only say what I feel.
Of course I could be wrong here.
But I don't think I am.

I know from personal experience that the impulse of Loin-fruition can interfere with inutition, that falling down a flight of concrete stairs sucks, and that even when trained one could be struck down from behind.

 

[Liselle]

Yes... I get your points about "very dark, intense, dramatic" lines - the fact that Yi could have given him a green light and didn't - and your examples.

Also a couple of those were reasonably ordinary, the car accident and your work. Eek, but different from the really outlandish things that happen to you.

On the other hand, knowing someone for 3 years, being in love with her for some part of that time, but for whatever reason(s) never stepping over the line to even find out if she's gay or straight, much less to express interest.... that seems over the top in its own way. A lot of not crossing over. Wonder what the reason is.


Regardless, Remthebeat's here asking for advice on what to say to him - Rem, what would you think of getting across both ends of the spectrum, and let him think about it and decide for himself what hits home? Something like, "Here's what the reading says (read him the line text) - people on the forum said everything from stop defending yourself from disappointment, to giving a few examples of real, actual danger (list those, at least the ones that really happened)"?

What you might want to stay away from are statements like, "Yi says get away from this woman immediately" or "Yi says ask her out right away" There's no absolute certainty - it's not our place or yours to make it sound like there is.

 

[moss elk]

Rem, what would you think of getting across both ends of the spectrum, and let him think about it and decide for himself what hits home?

That's a great idea.

(Rem could also mention the lines come from a chapter wherein great things cannot be done.. only small, and that 4 of the lines are about misfortune, and the other 2 are about not getting what you want.)

He isn't in love with her...
he has a crush and barely knows her..
doesn't even know if she likes men... jeesh.

 

[breakmov]

Hi remthebeat

62.3>16 shows a direct and simple warning. The line shows just that.

I don't know if this answer goes in time.Other participants have already spoken, but i haven't read the conversation yet to make this contribution as unbiased as possible.

Hex62: Do something with great care, situation where there is no great ability and therefore it is necessary to act cautiously, exaggerating the care in the small details. like a bird that has just left the nest and has no practical experience of the world outside its nest.

Hex16: Enthusiasm and the danger it represents, to plan, to motivate something that goes according to the aspiration of solving a problem/desire/need. The urge to want to make a situation better and also the danger of that urge.

Hex62 has a "health" problem and needs a remedy:Hex16

Action: planning an approach (Hex16) in a situation where there is not much capacity/experience to respond efficiently (Hex62), implies that you* have to balance this desire that drives you* with a more earthly posture, a posture that only aims to experience efficiently a proximity to another person ... as if it were not for you* but that had to be done in the best possible way.

context: this enthusiasm, this motivation needs to be built, or walk, always keeping in mind a lot of awareness, openness and inner truth.

*not you but the person in question.
cheers,

breakmov

 

[Liselle]

Hex62 has a "health" problem and needs a remedy:Hex16

Oh, interesting. Is that how you conceive of the relationship between the primary and relating hexagrams? How do you describe it if the reading sounds favorable?

(Please forgive the segue, Rem.)

 

[breakmov]

Hi Liselle

the words ""health" and problem" are creating doubt.

but they only mean that when there are mutant lines, there is an excess that needs to be corrected, and that correction is the derived hexagram.
notice that here in 62.3 there is an excess that needs to be corrected and that has to do with acting/planning/approximating/guiding in a more thoughtful and careful way, because Hex62 speaks of a situation where there is little experience/capacity to act and the need to advance cautiously. notice that this Hex speaks of a feather bird that has just left the nest...a small bird with a lot of enthusiasm but little experience.

the line: 62.3 > 16
'Not going past, he defends himself.
Someone following may strike him down.
Pitfall.' (Hilary's book)

it's as if yijing is talking: "be careful, you have little experience/capacity, you are in a line where the posture of "walking...hex10" and humility...hex15" are always present, so plan very carefully each advance you make...remember you are a bird that has just left the nest and you don't know what it is to "walk carefully"-you can easily end up in the tiger's mouth!"

for a favourable line the reasoning is identical: there is a mutant line that indicates an excess to be corrected and the action to be taken is a "positive" incentive"

cheers,

breakmov

 

[Liselle]

Thank you! I like how you used the change patterns, 10 and 15.