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It seems that your issues and hence your question are more about this teacher and his organization, and less about if you can 'clear your calm' using Vipassana meditation. Is that correct?My question was if I will be able to clear my calm in VIP.
hi dfreedIt seems that your issues and hence your question are more about this teacher and his organization, and less about if you can 'clear your calm' using Vipassana meditation. Is that correct?
Also, I have been doing vipassana meditation for years, but I've never felt it is like 'big brother watching you in there'. I don't even know what that means really - and I don't really know what 'clearing your calm' means either; so it's difficult to offer anything constructive about your reading.
Okay, I think that 'calm' might be their computer database about students. I also get that your talking about studying with one of Goenka's teachers, and that his style is very strict - with lots of do's and don't's. And you are also telling us about some problems you had when you were on retreat - something about getting sick while you were there, and either taking or not taking your medication?"calm" in that organisation is a system where informations are stored.
When I apply for a course in the vip organisation dhamma org
my question is:Okay, I think that 'calm' might be their computer database about students. I also get that your talking about studying with one of Goenka's teachers, and that his style is very strict - with lots of do's and don't's. And you are also telling us about some problems you had when you were on retreat - something about getting sick while you were there, and either taking or not taking your medication?
But setting all that aside for now, what I still don't understand is, what is your question? Keeping it simple, for example, did you ask:
"Should I do another retreat with dhamma . org?" Or, did you ask ...
"Did I do something wrong while I was on retreat?" Or did you ask,
"Should I give up on meditation?"
Or is it more just a general question about this type of meditation or this group?
Or is it about something else entirely?
What your question is, is what I still do not know or understand.
Regards, D.
wel I used to handle it like this and I even made a new "me" - a new name, which is my artist name and even a new date of birth ( which is with some astrological technique and the year I startet to use my artist name still the truth! - so no lie in there ! ) - but then again when I applyed for log time service.okay, i found that this is calm. but i don't think vipasanna is like scientology, in the way of keeping your records, afaik they just do it to keep things organised and even keeping those records is more volunteer based. i would understand you worrying about it as "striving upwards", it's unnecessary in this case to worry too much or to project some prejudices on the teacher. 62 advises to ground yourself, stay low, in this case maybe just apply as you normally would, without drawing extra attention to yourself by either trying to rectify something that's already in the past and possibly irrelevant to the present or even just by giving too much attention in your mind to the things you don't want. i experienced 62 sometimes as a lot of small back and forth communication, but i don't think it requires one to prepare or even think about it upfront. so, if you just keep it simple, apply normally, without worrying about past experiences and you ground yourself somehow, then imo you should be accepted for service again. what's a birth ching, btw?
yes logicallyPerhaps Attention to Detail is some sort of reference to keeping records.
hi again legume!okay, i found that this is calm. but i don't think vipasanna is like scientology, in the way of keeping your records, afaik they just do it to keep things organised and even keeping those records is more volunteer based. i would understand you worrying about it as "striving upwards", it's unnecessary in this case to worry too much or to project some prejudices on the teacher. 62 advises to ground yourself, stay low, in this case maybe just apply as you normally would, without drawing extra attention to yourself by either trying to rectify something that's already in the past and possibly irrelevant to the present or even just by giving too much attention in your mind to the things you don't want. i experienced 62 sometimes as a lot of small back and forth communication, but i don't think it requires one to prepare or even think about it upfront. so, if you just keep it simple, apply normally, without worrying about past experiences and you ground yourself somehow, then imo you should be accepted for service again. what's a birth ching, btw?
yeah, that fits my feeling aas well.the image of the bird in 62 comes from line 56.6, which then changes to 62. in that line the bird burns down its „resting place” and so the advice in 62 for the bird is to begin anew, stay on the ground, don’t try to strive up to reach heights (volunteering or being of service maybe) straight away. since creating new account created some „unrest” in your situation before i don’t think creating a 3rd one is the advice here (and it was never my advice). i believe what Yi might be saying though is to go back to the beginners course, and from what i’ve seen they usually have more open spaces for returning practitioners on those courses anyway. this way you could still go to the retreat and meditate and possibly meet with the teacher and on the last day discuss the whole issue and say you’d like to volunteer again and ask then how to go about it. this would be „staying low”, imo.
I don't know if you are referring to me or not. I don't have any prejudices against you, and I have no opinion about your work ethic. I too find vipassana and insight meditation very useful. But you seem to have quite a bit of conflict around the teachers and how their organization is set up. That's all stuff you shared with us - I'm not making it up.Vipassana was the best that happened to me and alwayys will be.
You wont change that with opinions , judgements and prejudices.
Well, I guess I was mistaken. You are making plans to attend another retreat in Belgium - so your issues with CALM must be all cleared up. And you are dedicated to a life of service. Good.nothing else but vipassana is vipassana.
You people can write whatever u like in here, its ur forum.
I wont read u any more ... because I wont wear your prejudiced opinions and judgements on my skin.
Clarity,
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PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
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+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).