64.3

[canislulu]

What is the difference between "setting out to bring order" and "to cross the great river"?

In 64.3 bringing order is a pitfall and crossing the great river is "fruitful".

 

[bradford]

"Bringing order" is easy to misunderstand here.
Zheng means something more like forcing your own way, expediting your affairs, being assertive or aggressive.

 

[canislulu]

Thanks, Bradford. Understaning "Zheng" more fully helps in imaging how to apply the counsel.

And, "crossing the great river"? What does that mean? Any examples?

And now I am seeing that Wikiwing answered my question as well:
"To set out to bring order – to fix things or people, make them harmonious. To cross the river – to commit yourself to a journey." And the Wikiwing commentary gives a helpful example.

 

[bradford]

In this case it's keep the longer term goals in mind. In this Gua, you're not done yet. The deeper meaning of some of the common phrases in the Yi are highly context dependent. Crossing the water is one of those.

 

[tuckchang]

In my opinion and for your reference:
If one can image a picture of a person standing in front of a great river three thousand years ago, one might figure out what is the meaning of crossing the great river. It might be: there must be something very important to the person on the other side of the river and crossing the river is teeming with danger and difficulty, or ……….
To me, to cross the great river means to overcome all the difficulties and undertake what is intended.

Roughly speaking, the text of hex 64 tells that a little fox fails to cross the river; however its lines tell how the river shall be crossed, from failure and self-restraint to success, step by step. 64.3 is the turning point but it shouldn’t take the aggressive action.

I don’t know exactly where ‘to set out to bring order’ comes from. I guess that it most likely refers to 1) the text of the big image of hex 64, or 2) the ‘disorder’ in the text of hex 63 and the failure of the little fox wetting its head at 63.6, which is due to its pursuing another success after having succeeded in crossing the great river.
In my opinion, if 1) is concerned, to set out to bring order means to undertake what is intended; if 2) is concerned, it means ‘trying to pursue (another) success.

Regards
Tuck
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