64.4.6>7 Regarding Recovery from Back Surgery

[eowyndernhelme]

Hello, everyone who reads this.

Currently I am in inpatient physical therapy to recover from a back surgery that did not go well.

They did take x-rays, MRI, etc, but there are some things that can't be seen until the doc actually goes in. In my case, my spinal column had been compressed in a particular area for so long that the dura had fused to the lamina that was to be removed. I had a spinal fluid leak that has since healed. However, the sciatica has worsened and I am in more pain than before.

My question to Yi was:

Will I be able to walk using my rollator at least as well as before without all this pain?

I know that Yi doesn't say yes or no, but I thought I would at least be able to interpret the result in a way that would give me an answer.

I'm too close to this to be able to figure it out. My interpretation is that it will be a bit of a long haul and a lot of work but with a good result in the end. I'm not sure what the hexagram 7 means, possibly utilizing the help of experts? Or I've read that some people here think that the resulting hexagram is simply the background of the issue.

I'm typing this on my phone, and I don't have access to Resonance Journal for Hilary's interpretation that I generally read first.

Could somebody give me a hand here with this?

Thank you in advance --Pam

 

[Anastacia]

Hi eowyndernhelme,​

Sciatica is just awful. I want to acknowledge how painful it is.

Just throwing some ideas in here - I read the relating hex as where you are coming from, what you've got to work with. I do find it interesting the it's stream below and earth above - the picture of it could almost be the spinal channel with a block at the bottom which could be the leak of water you were suffering from.

64 as not yet across could refer to that you've gone through the operation which should have completed/solved the problem but instead you find you are beginning a new chapter of the same story.
Line 4 seems very appropriate, constantly being menaced, undermined, attacked by the 'Demon Country' - a longstanding, recurring issue that will take a long time to deal with. It does say you can overcome your uncertainty and act decisively to reap rewards, and opportunity to start afresh.
Line 6 says be confident, but not overconfident - there is a fine line in Hilary's words 'between disinhibition and delusion'
It is tricky when you've been in constant pain - when the pain isn't there, either because of painkillers or a surgical intervention, to be so relieved that you over celebrate, over do things in the desire to get moving and the joy of being able to move without pain. I think the counsel is that it's possible that you will be moving again, but take one day, even one moment at a time with a balanced mixture of confidence and caution. To overdo either the confidence or the caution will create another round of setbacks.

 

[eowyndernhelme]

Ah, I think the Hexagram 7 may be the discipline of the physical therapy.

And I do try harder than I should sometimes; I don't like showing pain, so sometimes I am encouraged by the therapist to try harder when my body is saying "enough for now." Then I'm paying for it later.

Not very assertive, but I'm going to try to be firm when I think going on too far will make me worse (even if the therapist looks so disappointed, which he does if I don't do as much as he has planned for the session).

If this will be a longer haul for me (apparently most people get up the following day just fine) I'm going to give myself permission to do less some days when it really hurts.

This clarifies (I keep trying to find different verbs because this is the name of the site here, ha ha, but sometimes it's the best word) things very well for me.

Thank you for your help with this, Anastacia.

--Pam

 

[Anastacia]

Ah, I think the Hexagram 7 may be the discipline of the physical therapy.

And I do try harder than I should sometimes; I don't like showing pain, so sometimes I am encouraged by the therapist to try harder when my body is saying "enough for now." Then I'm paying for it later.

Not very assertive, but I'm going to try to be firm when I think going on too far will make me worse (even if the therapist looks so disappointed, which he does if I don't do as much as he has planned for the session).

If this will be a longer haul for me (apparently most people get up the following day just fine) I'm going to give myself permission to do less some days when it really hurts.

This clarifies (I keep trying to find different verbs because this is the name of the site here, ha ha, but sometimes it's the best word) things very well for me.

Thank you for your help with this, Anastacia.

--Pam

That just prompts me to ask if you've heard of Feldenkrais? I love Feldenkrais. It is a very gentle body awareness movement therapy that asks you to stop trying hard and never put yourself into pain. You do the movements with the least amount of effort so that you don't experience pain - and sometimes that means imagining you do it.

I find it extraordinary in that doing a one hour session can totally change the way you move and hold yourself and therefore have you moving in ways around your pain, not activating it. Sometimes it feels that the body has been able to let go of the pain.
There are free lessons available on youtube

 

[eowyndernhelme]

I just looked up Feldenkrais briefly. Sounds like something I will like to try.

Sometimes just before I fully awaken, I think of myself jumping out of bed like I used to, and walking around getting things done, or going down the steps in the back to do some planting. And in my dreams, I walk around just fine. So I guess my mind doesn't think I'm disabled

Maybe that's in the right direction? Even if not, I will definitely explore this.
--Pam

 

[Lakewater]

Hi eowyndernhelme, you've already had great advice, I'm just stopping by to say I've got my fingers crossed for you and your recovery from surgery, doesn't sound like you're going through an easy time and the hexagrams reflect that, 64.4 is battling in demon country to get to the bottom of an unknown problem. That sounds like your surgery. 64.6 is after order has been restored with the warning not to go over the top in case you lose the progress you've already made. That's already been covered in being mindful even in those times when the pain is absent.

I think you've done a good job identifying your physical therapist, hidden line 4.6 shows someone using discipline too harshly and that discipline shouldn't be punishing but should be used to protect from harm. So you will want movement, massage and mental therapies that are gentle and protective, as already suggested.

64.4

Hilary Translation: Constancy, good fortune, regrets vanish. The thunderer works to subdue the Demon Country. Three years go round, and there are rewards in the great city.'

64.6

Wilhelm Translation: There is drinking of wine in genuine confidence. No blame. But if one wets his head, he loses it, in truth.

4.6

Legge Translation: The sixth line, dynamic, shows one smiting the ignorant youth. But no advantage will come from doing him an injury. Advantage would come from warding off injury from him.

 

[eowyndernhelme]

Hello, Lakewater,

Thank you so much for including the translations. I'm just on my Android here at the PT center, and not very adept with it.

Yes, I was definitely being pushed too fast and trying too hard. I've since explained this to the therapist and dialed it back a lot. The pain is lessening quite a bit now. Ironically, it hurts just somewhat more than before the surgery and in pretty much the same place. I'm told it can take 6 months to a year based on the complications I had.

I've read others who use the method where you've gotten the hexagram 4.6 for further explanation, but don't know how to do it myself. It definitely fits. In this case, I'm the ignorant youth and the therapist is the harsh instructor, although he does understand now that I've explained my side to him.

I go home on Monday. I will be getting visiting PT and OT therapists and will be able to better control the process. And I do feel a lot more optimistic that I will eventually recover.

Thank you for helping me out with this. And I also feel better just sharing the situation with other people here.

Thank you!

--Pam

 

[Anastacia]

hidden line 4.6

just wondering about how to use hidden lines Lakewater? Am I right in thinking that you go to Hex 4 from just looking at the one changing line of 64.4. And then the hidden line 4.6 is because 4.6 changes to 7?
If so that means that 64.6 changes to 40 Release, and here in 40 the hidden line would be 40.4 because 40.4 changes to 7?
40.4 - Releasing the thumbs also.
Partners arrive, hence truth and confidence
When you release your grip let go of how you think things should be, you open your hands and invite in the latent potential of the situation.. spontaneous connection with people and forces you can trust to help you...
I really like that line!

 

[Lakewater]

I've read others who use the method where you've gotten the hexagram 4.6 for further explanation, but don't know how to do it myself. It definitely fits. In this case, I'm the ignorant youth and the therapist is the harsh instructor, although he does understand now that I've explained my side to him.

Sorry to hear that the pain is worse but glad to know it'll get better within the year and that your PT is working more gently in helping you to recover from your condition, you were very proactive with that it's good when there's a pay off in the end.

just wondering about how to use hidden lines Lakewater? Am I right in thinking that you go to Hex 4 from just looking at the one changing line of 64.4.

I explain in the link in my signature but basically, 64.4 leads to 4 and since the next line in the reading is 64.6 the hidden line would be 4.6. If the reading was 1.2.3 then you would look at 1.2>13 then the hidden line would be 13.3 because the next line in the reading is 1.3 hope that makes sense.

 

[Trojina]

Sorry to hear that the pain is worse but glad to know it'll get better within the year and that your PT is working more gently in helping you to recover from your condition, you were very proactive with that it's good when there's a pay off in the end.



I explain in the link in my signature but basically, 64.4 leads to 4 and since the next line in the reading is 64.6 the hidden line would be 4.6. If the reading was 1.2.3 then you would look at 1.2>13 then the hidden line would be 13.3 because the next line in the reading is 1.3 hope that makes sense.

You are describing how you get to the hidden line but you haven't said anywhere as far as I can tell, in looking at the link, what you think the hidden line signifies is in a reading have you? What particular meaning do you think it has ? Perhaps you have and I missed it.

I think you are the only person here using this in readings.

Here you seem to be using the hidden line as advice in the reading ?

I think you've done a good job identifying your physical therapist, hidden line 4.6 shows someone using discipline too harshly and that discipline shouldn't be punishing but should be used to protect from harm. So you will want movement, massage and mental therapies that are gentle and protective, as already suggested.

It would help to know, given that 4.6 was not the answer received, what aspect or angle of the reading you see the hidden line as showing ? Maybe your idea of the significance of the hidden line could be linked to in your signature ?

 

[Liselle]

Hi Lakewater - I wonder if it might also help if you specifically use the term hidden lines in your signature? It would make it more obvious that if people click the link, they'll find out more about that specifically, since that's the term you use in your posts.

It could probably be very simple, like changing your link to say, "Click link to see what tools I use to interpret, including hidden lines."

Also, in your post in the explanations thread, maybe a bold heading, Hidden Lines, might help. Similar to your trigrams heading.

I'm just trying to think of things that could help people spot it more easily.

 

[Lakewater]

I think you are the only person here using this in readings.

There are others, including recently, but I probably use it the most often. It's from Bradford's transitional hexagrams.

 

[eowyndernhelme]

I look at Bradford's translations sometimes when I use the Resonance Journal; it's part of the program. A lot of the time he is quite beyond my small brain to comprehend but I try. When I get back to my computer, I think I'll look into this transition method. I've heard mention of it here, and it sounds interesting. Now I'll have time to learn more about it.

Oh, and I am home now, but limited bed to bathroom. It hurts a little worse because I don't have the same devices as the hospital. Have lots of pills to compensate, but of course trying to keep usage down. Ironically, I can say that I'm almost back to pre operation levels but I hear /read that in a few more months I'll see progress.

Thank you to all who have been helping me with this situation!