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rodaki

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dear friends,

very recently I was strongly tempted to do sth about which i felt a bit uneasy cause it could be perceived as inconsistency or lack of integrity . . on the one hand i felt compeled to go ahead, on the other, held back . . it did make me wonder on the meanings of 'inconsistency' and 'integrity' within the context of change but this time i refrained from treading on the tail of ethics-instead i just asked:

-'Yi, should I go forth with act x?': 18.5 to 57
" Six in the fifth place means:
Setting right what has been spoiled by the father.
One meets with praise.


I thought it was positive but still not so sure I asked:
-'Yi, what do you think of x?': 26 unchanging


and still again:
-'What will be the effects of x?': 21.1.2.6 to 40
cut off toes, cut off nose, cut off ears?? I think Yi WAS grinding -it looked like i had my answers already


So I went ahead and did what I was thinking. But still I was upset with it and asked:
-'How will people perceive x?': 13.3 to 25
Here fellowship has changed about to mistrust. Each man distrusts the other,
plans a secret ambush, and seeks to spy on his fellow form afar. We are
dealing with an obstinate opponent whom we cannot come at by this method.
Obstacles standing in the way of fellowship with others are shown here. One
has mental reservations for one's own part and seeks to take his opponent by
surprise. This very fact makes one mistrustful, suspecting the same wiles in
his opponent and trying to ferret them out. The result is that one departs
further and further from true fellowship. The longer this goes on, the more
alienated one becomes.

seriously NOT GOOD huh? so of course there was one more coming:
-'Is there reason to regret x?': 42.3 to 37
One is enriched through unfortunate events.
No blame, if you are sincere
And walk in the middle,
And report with a seal to the prince.

that seemed to set things right . . . but I am wondering if there is something serious here that I missed . .
and because I do tend to get excessive in questioning actions, there was one last:
-'Should I go on and discuss the issue?' :37 unchanging

since I often do not REALLY understand Yi's advice and sometimes it urges me to do things I wouldn't do on my own, I just resign in closing my eyes and just following . . but perhaps I've been blind to something grave??
I would really like to listen to your takes on this :eek:

:bows:
rodaki
 

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dear friends,

very recently I was strongly tempted to do sth about which i felt a bit uneasy cause it could be perceived as inconsistency or lack of integrity . . on the one hand i felt compeled to go ahead, on the other, held back . . it did make me wonder on the meanings of 'inconsistency' and 'integrity' within the context of change but this time i refrained from treading on the tail of ethics-instead i just asked:

-'Yi, should I go forth with act x?': 18.5 to 57
" Six in the fifth place means:
Setting right what has been spoiled by the father.
One meets with praise.


I thought it was positive but still not so sure I asked:
-'Yi, what do you think of x?': 26 unchanging


and still again:
-'What will be the effects of x?': 21.1.2.6 to 40
cut off toes, cut off nose, cut off ears?? I think Yi WAS grinding -it looked like i had my answers already


So I went ahead and did what I was thinking. But still I was upset with it and asked:
-'How will people perceive x?': 13.3 to 25
Here fellowship has changed about to mistrust. Each man distrusts the other,
plans a secret ambush, and seeks to spy on his fellow form afar. We are
dealing with an obstinate opponent whom we cannot come at by this method.
Obstacles standing in the way of fellowship with others are shown here. One
has mental reservations for one's own part and seeks to take his opponent by
surprise. This very fact makes one mistrustful, suspecting the same wiles in
his opponent and trying to ferret them out. The result is that one departs
further and further from true fellowship. The longer this goes on, the more
alienated one becomes.

seriously NOT GOOD huh? so of course there was one more coming:
-'Is there reason to regret x?': 42.3 to 37
One is enriched through unfortunate events.
No blame, if you are sincere
And walk in the middle,
And report with a seal to the prince.

that seemed to set things right . . . but I am wondering if there is something serious here that I missed . .
and because I do tend to get excessive in questioning actions, there was one last:
-'Should I go on and discuss the issue?' :37 unchanging

since I often do not REALLY understand Yi's advice and sometimes it urges me to do things I wouldn't do on my own, I just resign in closing my eyes and just following . . but perhaps I've been blind to something grave??
I would really like to listen to your takes on this :eek:

:bows:
rodaki

Suprised you didn't throw 57 ! ;) Saying that because its my feeling you're being almost too submissive in your relation to the oracle here. What I underlined above that the Yi 'urges me to do things i wouldn't do on my own' makes me slightly worried you've gone into obedience mode :eek: Anyway this was obviously something you felt very uncomfortable with, you don't trust yourself here at all do you....thats what i think the 13.3 may refer to...its almost as if you abandoned yourself or abandoned your own authority, don't trust your own authority. Well I suppose thats what prompts many of our questions...but I fear you may drive yourself nuts here Dora if you don't get more comfortable with being the authority for your own action in this matter

anyway re the questions, I guess 18.5 literally describes setting something right,seems good (oh theres the 57)

what will be effects 21>40 well to me it looks like you powerfully and decisively bite through obstacles (21) to free this whole thing up (40) Both first and last lines change in 21 so this is like a whole little encapsulated episode or scenario you sort out or deal with.

As i said i think the 13.3 was your own misgivings and lack of faith in the action

By this time you worked yourself into a lather that everything was NOT GOOD :eek: and asked if there was something to regret 42.3...well sometimes you have smash eggs to make omelettes, sometimes good arises out of things that make you feel bad.

37.... I don't know (falling in to exhausted heap)

I think you should stick with the 18.5...this act was some kind of reform that needed making and you made it and you now feel very doubtful about making it (13.3 )but still it did look like something you needed to bite through to get free (21>40)

But going back to my original point that I made about you feeling the Yi was urging you to do things. I don't think the Yi ever urges us to do things. It has no investment in what we do and we always remain the active agents in our decisions. :D well I'm sure you're aware of that, I'm just reminding you lol
 
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And here's my two-drachma ;)

should I go forth with act x? 18.5 to 57
18 - something is stuck and stagnating.
18:5 - good to take some sort of action, but it can't totally correct the situation.
57 - the wind blows uninhibited again, it furthers to have a purpose and be gentle.
So, it sounds like a good idea to get the ball (wind) rolling again, no matter what.

what do you think of x? 26 unchanging
There's too much raw energy here, which needs to be harnessed and controlled.
Keep in mind 18:5 above - the action will not have any striking results.
Tame the surplus of energy.

What will be the effects of x? 21.1.2.6 to 40
A first warning. A second warning. And still someone (?) is not listening...
(not sure here if this 'someone' is you or someone else)
A storm to clear the air is very much needed here.

How will people perceive x? 13.3 to 25
No need to hide and arm yourself in fear - it's all good, all innocent, all without
pretence. You acted from your heart, right? Then there's nothing to fear. All you
need to know is that you acted from your heart (you said you felt compelled), so
stop worrying what people think, and be true to your own heart!

Is there reason to regret x? 42.3 to 37
Obviously x was not pleasant... but despite this, there's still benefits and lessons
to be had, and despite the unpleasantness "one is enriched". 37 - the perseverance
of a woman furthers". The woman is 'correct' in this situation.

Should I go on and discuss the issue? 37 unchanging
Nope, stand your ground. You have done the right thing (even if no specacular
results came about - this was the right thing). Don't initiate discussions, but
even if there are any discussion initiated by others, remain firm and stand your
ground.

What a situation this sounds to be... Compelled to take some sort of unpleasant
action against decay - an action which doesn't feel very good, and yet it's correct
and praiseworthy and necessary - even if there are no immediate results! 57 and
26 and 37 all urge you to persevere and be patient. It sounds like you did very well
to follow your heart.
 
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meng

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rodaki, an important element of 37 is that your actions will define who you are, not just your words. "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear a word you say."

Wilhelm did a beautiful job on this commentary.

"Here too the influence on others must proceed from one's own person. In order to be capable of producing such an influence, one's words must have power, and this they can have only if they are based on something real, just as flame depends on its fuel Words have influence only when they are pertinent and clearly related to definite circumstances. General discourses and admonitions have no effect whatsoever. Furthermore, the words must be supported by one's entire conduct, just as the wind is made effective by an impression on others that they can adapt and conform to it. If words and conduct are not in accord and consistent, they will have no effect."
 

rodaki

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hello everyone . .

thank you for getting back on this :blush:
I've read carefully what you all wrote and I am digesting it, drop by drop, word by word.
You have a point Trojan, a very good one, I should know, I'm giving my first presentation in front of a large audience tomorrow and assuming some 'authority' will make it way easier but . . my talk is about what remains of a text, how can we wade thru it if we abolish the voice of authority, if we put aside the author . . and this is not only words, this is what I'm trying to go for . . hmmm, I've put myself in a tight spot, let's see how I'll manage :rolleyes:

I hear you Bruce, I am there . . the issue I read is not so much about influence -even though that always makes one feel good- but about resonance (perhaps not very different from influence though) . . also about the blank spots, or grey areas, between the right tone and some 'fall out' that might feel right. but I am only a student you see, nowhere near a virtuoso this one, and I 'd like to keep a place for my fall outs, they are my weapons against insecurity . .

Diamanda thank you for being so gentle with me here :hug: the heart can be a fickle thing I don't trust everything with it . . 26, taming, yes, it felt good to read that, I have two very strong bulls inside I'm trying to train and even though they're not as erratic as the rest of my characters, it's still not a light-weight job!
and hey, I use my drachmas on the Yi too! ;)

there's more I'd like to say, more thoughts about all your advice but time is so excruciatingly short, I have to go back to work . .
thanks again, be back soon!

:bows:
rodaki
 

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