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dragona

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Hello:bows:
Can someone tell me with utmost certainty:rolleyes:
what is line 3 in hex 13 telling us to do? to act or to pull back and wait...3 years?
I am not sure how to interprete various translations:brickwall:...anybody?:bows:
 

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I think 13.3 may be paraphrased, Get ready but wait for an opportunity. The line is the place of difficulty . The three covering trigrams are weapons, thicket, and height. Thus, the words,

He hides weapons in the thicket;
He climbs the high hill in front of it.
For three years he does not rise up.
 

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mutual suspicion in 13.3 makes it hard for any movement at all

unless someone takes a risk to reveal themselves nothing will happen

well thats what i thought it was meant to mean

My own view is though I think it tends to describe not really very good relations between people...I'm not sure if it advocates any course of action.

I'm not sure if one comes out from behind the hill and throws his weapons down the other won't just shoot him anyway. Anyway I always thought it was about 2 enemies hiding out, not trusting one another...a kind of stalemate...


so i thought the idea was, to end this stalemate one of them had to take a risk at exposure....but then what ? I don't think its quite guaranteed the other will throw down his weapon too

obviously it can refer to the revealing/concealing of feelings. One may not want to reveal their feelings till the other one does so if both are fearful noone gets anywhere and 2 people are left sitting behind 2 different hills for 3 years spying on each other


perhaps I have got this line all wrong... I think I may have because I don't know where i got the ideaof these 2 peoplein 13.3 from, in Toms translation above 2 people aren't mentioned


sorry there is no certainty whatsoever in this post
 
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13.3 is like.......


:hide:


...only 2 sofas, 2 yellow people. Imagine if they did that for 3 years.


do you have a blue sofa dragona ?
 
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Hi, thanks for quick replies...and I was thinking I posted at the wrong place...

Hope I-Ching means it as simple as Pocossin suggested-looks like it to me also.
I see 13.3 as an image of an soldier standing on a little hill, weapons hidden well in the bushes, observing space in front of and arround him. It is an person on the lookout, and lookouts can take time..Hiding weapons (intentions) is bad; it may suggest illusion or deceiveness is involved. That is how i see it anyway-person is not hiding, only weapons are.

Since this is hex 13, one that speaks of fellowship and partnership forming, naturally you thought of 2 people involved, Trojan. To me it suggests an status quo situation between 2 people, perhaps.

"3.Extreme caution is out of place here despite the difficulties. Caution or suspicions make a prisoner of affection so that fraternity and family bonds cannot be expressed. Alienation can arise. Boldness is required."
"Obstacles standing in the way of fellowship with others are shown here. One has mental reservations for one's own part and seeks to take his opponent by surprise. This very fact makes one mistrustful, suspecting the same wiles in his opponent and trying to ferret them out. The result is that one departs further and further from true fellowship. The longer this goes on, the more
alienated one becomes." Willheim
So something has to be done...

"obviously it can refer to the revealing/concealing of feelings. One may not want to reveal their feelings till the other one does so if both are fearful noone gets anywhere and 2 people are left sitting behind 2 different hills for 3 years spying on each other"-so it speaks to you that both persons involved have the same feelings/notions about each other?
does not seems so from where I stand... :-S

Pocossin, you once wrote that 3 years is the time needed for bad influenced to disperse (or something close to it)...in 3 time periods of some kind or numbers are just simbolic thing in YI?

And what of relaxing hex 25-no entanglement, innocence...as if it only confirmes that one should stay behind the sofa, but standing openly behind it and whistling some carefree tune? ;-)

No blue sofa here, but I am getting quite yellow...(blues only inside)
 
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I interpret 13.3 as meaning there's nothing to be gained by further debating, only further mistrust and separation, as each is entrenched into their point of view or ideology. Best to let it be, let it go.
 

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everytime I get this line I think that someone is way too thoughtful and should just cut themselves some slack, be spontaneous, even if they know that might not always be to the advantage of all standing around, watching . . maybe this is about being too conscious yourself when you just need not . .
 
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I became an acquaintance of a fellow who worked for a store I frequented. We had obvious things in common, and enjoyed sharing a little discussion. He is an enthusiastic/evangelical Christian, and I don’t mind discussing the subject, but having the belief that Jesus was a Daoist Jew put me naturally at odds with this gentleman’s fundamental perspective. I presented a passage from Deuteronomy, one which in twenty years as a practicing Christian, I’ve never heard preached nor taught, nor has any other Christian I’ve presented it to, because it sounds so contrary to the accepted way that God would go about things. This fellow quoted a paradoxical scripture, saying that unless something is repeated or attested to in the Bible, it isn’t to be believed. It’s not mentioned anywhere else but in that one place, and we clearly stood on opposite sides of that hill. Each had enough knowledge of the scripture to defend our point of view. We ended that conversation pleasantly, but with each perhaps eyeing the other over our respective shoulder. Later, I was curious about whether to continue this debate, and Yi said 13.3-25. We didn’t discuss it after but remained frienedly. I guess he had reached the same conclusion.

Dave Mason’s lyrics come to mind for this line. “There ain’t no good guy, there ain’t no bad guy, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30
 
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everytime I get this line I think that someone is way too thoughtful and should just cut themselves some slack, be spontaneous, even if they know that might not always be to the advantage of all standing around, watching . . maybe this is about being too conscious yourself when you just need not . .

just wanted to mention sth fwiw . . I am only talking about myself in the above, it doesn't have to apply to anyone else. Maybe it wasn't that clear, but I have a lot of background noise today
 

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Sure Rodaki, but personal experiances are the way to learn how lines really work...
I just don`t understand-does one let go completely or still keep the hope alive? (or both people in question, hm)
It is very costly thing-emotionaly, in this case...
 

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I think it's interesting that 13.2 reads Fellowship with the clan - humiliation, which I read as recognizing why you were born into the family you were born into as in, "All the Jones seem to have bad spelling karma." Thus 13.3 is about trying to be friendly but also being suspicious, as in "Oh boy if that person is just like me, I'm in trouble."

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Sure Rodaki, but personal experiances are the way to learn how lines really work...
I just don`t understand-does one let go completely or still keep the hope alive? (or both people in question, hm)
It is very costly thing-emotionaly, in this case...


yup, I think I know what you mean about the personal . .

13 and 25 have a major difference in my eyes: the one is fixed, based on categorizing things and often, on staying too close to the world as they've known it thus far, while 25 is a bit off the wall because it is unpredictable . . Maybe it would be better if you didn't try to pre-decide on your attitude, or you might not be able to guess what causes your friend's behaviour. If you think there's good reason to be suspicious then keep your guard and the proper distance from anything that perplexes you; if not, trying a completely different perspective might help you untangle the lines.

For me this one is a reminder to drop what you think you know and loosen up . . our life doesn't need to be too complicated or it loses something of its beauty or joy . .

hope this helps some
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Hmmmm.....this is a good place :)

Since there are interpretations of this line that vary from patient to non-optimistic,
I asked:
What is the course of action that would improve MY situation-regarding line 3 in hex 13 ? The answer was 62. 2,4 into 46. There are few insightful threads concerning that particular hex and belonging lines.

Although it was asked with my particullar situation in mind, thought to share here as an possible explanation or widened interpretation of 13.3. It does not seem utterly hopeless situation to me, especially with hex 46 in mind...still "chewing" on this :footinmouth:"
 
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