A tarot reading confirmed my iching answer (i think)

[Carolammy]

I went too see a tarot card reader about my career. I asked if I should pursue a career in pharmacy..she said I should get out as it was not my passion and I may end up depressed..I consulted I ching and received 39 and 12 ..do these hex. Support her reading you think ?

Thanks everyone

 

[taoscopy]

That's difficult, was the question about her reading? If it was then this is my interpretation:

39 tells you that her reading is uncertain

line 3: that she wants you to come back to visit her
line 4: that she lacks customers
line 6: that you should come back to the pharmacy (avoid distancing yourself)

12 tells you to abandon the reading

There is a follow-up question if you are interested.
Problems prevent the progress.
-> What problems prevent the progress?

39 - Uncertainty

Solving a difficulty requires a patient study. If one fails, they will receive help after showing that they have done their best.

3 - Others want one to come back.

4 - Others are not there so one has to wait for them.

6 - One asks friends who distanced themselves to come back.
In the making
12 - Disorganization

Problems prevent the progress. The best solution would be to leave.

ETA: not too sure about this interpretation, specially line 6. It would be helpful to ask the follow-up question.

 

[Carolammy]

Thanks taoscopy..sorry i wasnt clear I meant i also consulted iching about the same question i posed to her about my career..ie. qn to iching was "Should i pursue a career in pharmacy?"

 

[taoscopy]

OK then it looks like they are missing you. Did you ask the follow-up question?

 

[Carolammy]

follow up qn.."What problems prevent the progess" i received 787789 which is 30? clinging fire?

 

[taoscopy]

The Yi has been admonishing you gently with this 44 > 10. So it's about that, because the Yi advises that you evolve, become more serious and choose the pharmacy path.

30 - Lucidity

Patience will bring success.

6 - If one becomes less flexible, others will evolve.
In the making
55 - To manage

One prepares to meet requests. After a study, decisions will be applied and checked. Unreasonable requests will be ignored.

 

[moss elk]

39 changing to 12 is Not advising you to embrace pharmacy.
It is saying to turn around 39 and go away from it 12.

The exact opposite of what Taoscopy said...

Please comment folks. Truth is good. Shine some light.

 

[taoscopy]

39 changing to 12 is Not advising you to embrace pharmacy.
It is saying to turn around 39 and go away from it 12.

The exact opposite of what Taoscopy said...

Please comment folks. Truth is good. Shine some light.

Okay, I guess that some pointers are needed.

Your interpretation is different than mine because we don't interpret on the same level.

I'll give you two examples.

X asks about Y: "Shall I invite Y this weekend?"

Yi answers: 12

Now, depending on X personality, the interpretation can vary from "Y is an evil person" to "me X, I am an evil person".

If X is paranoid then X will totally imagine that Y is going out with someone else.
If X lacks self-esteem, then X will think that Y will decline the invitation because of X's flaws.

If X is only interested sexually into Y then X will drop the idea.
If X is deeply in love with Y then X will not accept the answer and will fight the idea of breaking with Y.

And maybe it will turn out that there is a plane strike this weekend so the meeting is impossible.

You can imagine all sort of things when you interpret with the Yi. The only thing that it does is that it reveals what is inside your heart.


The other example:

Someone gives you a computer, you ask: "What about this computer?" you receive 8.3 as answer.

So what? Are you going to throw this computer away? There is something wrong with this computer, but before taking a decision you need to figure what. Maybe is it the hard drive, maybe it has a virus. Maybe it can be repaired.

So you ask the Yi: "What is wrong with this computer?"

Likewise when X receives 12, X can ask the follow-up question: "what problems will prevent the meeting?"

Now about your interpretation, you said something very interesting. Normally I shouldn't comment on it but you are calling me so I reply.

44-10
It is tempting, but it could be too much. (Don't marry the idea)
Plus you'd have to deal with some tigers. (Jerks)

It's an interesting take. What the Yi is telling Carolammy is that working at the pharmacy will require more committments. So yes, it can be annoying. 44 > 10 describes the transition from temptations to serious and annoying work.

Now, the interpretation is Carolammy's priviledge, we cannot decide for her which is the best course to take. I have found your take enriching, it's a pity that you didn't find mine interesting, but I won't lose sleep over it tonight.

Now about 39 > 12, 39 means uncertainties within yourself that need to be solved, so 39 > 12 means that uncertainties within yourself create 12 (disorganization or stagnation)

12 - Disorganization

Problems prevent the progress. The best solution would be to leave.

That's why the follow-up question had to be asked to the Yi: what problems prevent the progess?

Then Carolammy got 30.6, so the answer was that "discipline", "severity" prevent the progress.

So, it's Carolammy's choice to decide whether she accepts to become more serious or drop the idea of working there. We can only give her pointers, we can't decide for her.

That's why I am not saying that your interpretation is wrong, I say that we don't interpret on the same level.

 

[Trojina]

Taoscopy you did not even understand her question. She clearly asked

I asked if I should pursue a career in pharmacy..

Yet you did a spot of mind reading of her Tarot reader here

line 3: that she wants you to come back to visit her

This kind of thing would not be so puzzling if you had not repeatedly said you had a rule about not asking about other's thoughts or feelings. You say you have this rule yet time and time again you tell people here what others are thinking. But you yourself said you cannot do this ?

I think your idea of line 3 meaning the Tarot reader wants her to come back is completely far fetched.


As it goes I'm not a great fan of asking about others motives and so on but this is not for any moral reason. It's purely because it can make it hard to know who the answer refers to. However you repeatedly say it is an actual 'rule' not to ask about others feelings and so on. So how come you keep telling people here what others are thinking ? I will highlight where you have done this to give you the chance to elucidate how this ties in with your 'rule' of not asking about others.

 

[Trojina]

This thread is where you say you have this rule

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?21186-I-ching-Addiction

Second is never ever ask "What does X think of me?" The reason is that soon or later asking such questions will break your relationship with X.

But you yourself claim to know the thoughts of others ? How can this be if you think it is so wrong ?

You claimed to know the thoughts of others in this thread also http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?21219-30-unchanging

You said there

He does not want you to leave.

Again the question is if you believe there is this rule about not asking about what others think how can you then tell others here what others are thinking about them ?

 

[diamanda]

Trojina you totally have a point here.

But that aside...

39 changing to 12 is Not advising you to embrace pharmacy.
It is saying to turn around 39 and go away from it 12.
The exact opposite of what Taoscopy said...
Please comment folks. Truth is good. Shine some light.

I'll agree witih Moss Elk (and with the tarot reader).

The lines of 39 cleary advise to turn back to what you usually do and not go for something new.

 

[1eleven]

I went too see a tarot card reader about my career. I asked if I should pursue a career in pharmacy..she said I should get out as it was not my passion and I may end up depressed..I consulted I ching and received 39 and 12 ..do these hex. Support her reading you think ?

Thanks everyone

I think this is saying, 'not yet'

 

[bradford]

Yes, they support her reading.

 

[taoscopy]

I think this is saying, 'not yet'

That's an interesting take, 39 is indeed the occasion to develop our character instead of abandoning at the first difficulty.

Water on the mountain:
The image of OBSTRUCTION.
Thus the superior man turns his attention to himself
And molds his character.

Difficulties and obstructions throw a man back upon himself. While the inferior man seeks to put the blame on other persons, bewailing his fate, the superior man seeks the error within himself, and through this introspection the external obstacle becomes for him an occasion for inner enrichment and education.

Then when you read 12:

STANDSTILL. Evil people do not further
The perseverance of the superior man.
The great departs; the small approaches.

So you can see clearly that Carolammy can see here an opportunity to develop her character, and that evil people try to prevent her to embrace the pharmacy carreer.

It's certainly not an easy way but the Yi seems to point that it is the best way for her. The answer for the other job, receptionist, 22 > 41 indicated that Carolammy should consider pharmacy first.

 

[Carolammy]

Thanks guys..
your all so wise..your interpretations help me greatly in deciphering its message for me...

 

[Trojina]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?21254-ahem

 

[Olga Super Star]

The lines of 39 cleary advise to turn back to what you usually do and not go for something new.

Ehm.. I thought it meant that there is a difficult obstacle, like an obstruction to overcome.

 

[diamanda]

You're right olga, 39 as a hexagram, by itself, means that the road ahead is blocked.

But, when there are changing lines, that means that there is a 'departure' from the first hexagram.

I wrote: "The lines of 39 cleary advise to turn back".
Have a look at what those three changing lines specifically say:

39.3 = in going ahead, there are obstacles, in coming there is turning around/the opposite
39.4 = in going ahead, there are obstacles, in coming there are connections/alliances
39.6 = in going ahead, there are obstacles, in coming there is greatness and good fortune

I hope this clarifies what I meant.

 

[Olga Super Star]

ok so having received 39 unchanging I read it as the way is blocked NOW.
Anyway I don't care, I will find a way to get round that bloody 39 - I am obstinate as ever!