About a job 6.2.3.4.5.6 > 15

[precision grace]

An opportunity for a potential job came up today. It's not a definite job, it doesn't exist yet, but through a colleague I was put in touch with a person who may be looking for someone to do some work I am interested in so I sent my resume and a covering note. I asked what the reaction will be to my email and received 6 changing to 15.

This doesn't look good to me at all. Would you agree that it basically counsels that I have worded my application in a wrong way and that I am not good enough for what they are looking for and should not expect them to pursue this further?

Thank you :bows:

 

[Lavalamp]

"what the reaction will be to my email?"
6.2.3.4.5.6

No one will have anything bad to say about you, but there is a lot of competition and it could go either way. You should probably follow up, "he contends before him" brings good fortune, but the higher ups may go back and forth on this for whatever reason.

>15
Let your being speak for itself, show your leadership skills, integrity and follow through (maybe even when they don't.) Let the way you deal with this be your personal paradigm of progress and success. Who you are is your greatest possession.

 

[precision grace]

Thanks Lavalamp. It's a weird this hexagram, for example I am really grateful for your view as I have seen it as a completely negative- starting with 6.2 unable to contend. It was a really nice boost after thinking I have totally messed things up. 6.6 is very disappointing however. After going through all the turmoil of the previous lines and good fortune of 6.5, it is disheartening to be told there is no good end in sight.

For what it's worth, I had sent the email to the work contact and also to a colleague who has put me in touch with this contact. My colleague said I "totally rocked the cover letter" which was lovely, and the contact for the job responded promptly saying it sounded interesting and offering a few dates when we could meet also mentioning about some restrictions and the fact they can't promise anything. So all of that sounds very good to me. How does my Yi Ying answer translate into what might have happened on the other side?

 

[ginnie]

also mentioning about some restrictions and the fact they can't promise anything.

They are already speaking of restrictions and mentioning that they cannot promise anything. That does not bode well.

With all those moving lines activated in hex 6 -- arguing -- you can bet that you are going to run into a real brick wall here, not something that you're going to be able to jump over or run around. Yi sees into the heart of the situation and all the participants in it and knows how things are going to play out before you have even met for the first time. There are some underlying issues here that are going to be major stumbling blocks, and even constructive arguing is not going to be much help.

You don't have to believe the I Ching. You might go meet with him in the best possible frame of mind, like an observer of events and of people, just to see what happens. It is in this way that our confidence in our own I Ching readings increases over time.

I remember once I was asking the I Ching about going to see a certain dentist to whom I had been referred. The reading was not good, so I didn't go. But then later I really needed to see a dentist, so I made an appointment and went. How bad can he be? I was thinking. Well, it was a terrible first meeting in the sense that it went wrong from the very beginning over certain issues. So I paid the bill and just never went back. Live and learn.

 

[Lavalamp]

Well my feeling is that they will be impressed with you whether the job actually comes through or not, so you should really let your light shine. If you show them as someone looking for a job the grace and leadership skills you would have as an employee, it could lead to something else, through someone else as you have been referred here, and you certainly don't want to approach the situation as doomed from the start.

I would consider it an audition, if not for this role, for the next maybe better one in the future. There is no downside to showing your greatest integrity to people that are asking. That's what I felt reading this hex anyway, but maybe that's a bit off book.

 

[precision grace]

Ginnie, the question was about the reaction to my email not how the job will pan out in the long run. I already knew about the restrictions and the fact they won't be able to promise anything and I know why they can't so it's all fine really. When I thought about it more, and considering that Yi might have been talking to me about me, the lines represented my internal reactions including the fact that however positive I was feeling at times, by the morning, I had at least three lapses into negativity and doubt.

Lavalamp, why do you see it in that way, if you don't mind explaining? Is it again the case of looking at all the hexagrams I didn't get or something else? Thanks.

 

[Lavalamp]

PG it's the way I look at Hex 15. The commentary says -

"... man has it in his power to shape his fate, according as his
behavior exposes him to the influence of benevolent or of destructive forces.
When a man holds a high position and is nevertheless modest, he shines
with the light of wisdom; if he is in a lowly position and is modest, he cannot
be passed by. Thus the superior man can carry out his work to the end
without boasting of what he has achieved."

Basically be your bad old self, do that thing that you do, with conscious awareness of what you have to offer, showing that to them. So if they ignore you and you follow up, "carrying things through" as it were, it shows them your responsibility, your leadership, not you being desperate to land a job! That kind of thing.

- LL

 

[ginnie]

I asked what the reaction will be to my email and received 6 changing to 15....This doesn't look good to me at all.

No, it doesn't look good. Something you wrote appears to be a bone of contention. Beyond that I guess I really shouldn't have said anything. Sometimes Yi is very specific and sometimes it will answer a broader question that you didn't ask, even giving an answer to another question completely. However, I apologize for jumping from the email to other issues ...

 

[ginnie]

A Different Question

Is there any possibility the 6.2.3.4.5.6 > 15 reading could have been about a different issue -- one about which you feel a tremendous amount of conflict such that it might be better if you abandoned the issue completely as unrealistic and really, impossible of accomplishment?

It is rare to get five lines moving in hex 6 and the amount of ambivalence in that is enormous, almost like being torn in two. So I find it difficult to connect that with an email.

 

[precision grace]

thanks ginnie. well, when I asked the question I was very conflicted. At first, I thought I did a good job with my CV and cover letter and then I was all torn because I began thinking that it wasn't good, that I shouldn't have done it that way and that I won't get any reply or a rejection. So, in that mindframe, I asked what the reaction will be. I guess time will tell.

 

[dancing white ferret]

I don't know why, as far as interpretation goes, but I've had some great outcomes with 6 unchanging situations. I don't think 6 is such a bad hexagram to get. I got 6 unchanging for "What will be the consequence of joining Online Clarity?" Every time I think I have something figured out, the "opposition" comes along with a new perspective and out the window with what I thought. I also got it for an interview that went well recently, and I got the job. I did get the feeling there was some competition there, and I ended up getting 2 offers so it did end up bringing about a conflict for me. And next to 61, 15 pops up for me all the time. It means exactly what Lavalamp is saying it means. I have no doubt. Be you! Not so sure was 6 would mean here. This is certainly a tricky one... Could certainly mean they didn't like something you wrote, but I think it may be saying they will feel conflicted on who to go with for the position. Especially with the 15 in there. Perhaps they had someone all picked out, and then you show up all 15ish, showing them who Precision Grace is... Now they don't know what to do or who to pick. I would take this as a positive actually. If you weren't at least in contention, there would be no conflict. It would just be "No." So don't get all sixaphobic!

 

[ginnie]

Often when we ask Yi about what's going on in the minds of others, the I Ching gives us back a reflection of ourselves at that moment. It seems to me that that is what happened here. The six-ishness seems to be all in the mind of Precision Grace, who, looking at her CV and cover letter, was feeling extremely conflicted. It is, indeed, impossible to know what is going to resonate with people we don't know very well. Seems like how they reacted will be revealed at a later time and in a different way.

The I Ching is best used to ask questions about oneself, not about other people.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Ginnie, I like your take on that. I have noticed that myself, and although I have received some great insight when asking about other people's perspective or reactions, other times, I have felt the Yi was giving me information about myself instead. Usually when I'm digging for insight I alredy have but don't like. Or asking about something that just won't benefit me to delve into. I'm not sure what this is saying, and when I ask a question with someone else as the center, unless the answer is very apparent, I'm not sure who the Yi is talking about! So, I would have to agree. Yi works better with questions centered around oneself. But, sometimes, often actually, people are looking for answers about the unseen of a situation. And that often involves other people. What is a question one could pose to the Yi here that would give the insight needed without the confusion?

 

[Lavalamp]

My take is when we ask for advice, for help in understanding what is, the Yi tends to be pretty clear. Sometimes there are more sides to the story than we realize however, and several things can be happening at once, and the act of observation can change things. Sometimes not for the better, if our questions are too narrow and we aren't listening. At least this is my experience.

Asking about the future is not as cut and dried. Human beings have free will and what decisions they will make, whether a weak person will or won't do, betray you, hire you, etc., these things are not set in stone. Sometimes if you ask about such things the Yi will give you a non-answer, throw it back on you (your attitude's influence, hey _you_ go talk to them, or what about _your_ attitude?, or "you did a good job!"), or it will just refuse to answer your question. But sometimes the Yi will when it sees things going on that you don't know about, and things are pretty much a runaway train, then it might tell you to move out of the way. But once the train is passed, it might say you can walk on the tracks again for a while... Things do change, especially in human relationships.

But then again, the Universe is a mystery, and who knows? I try to be open to hearing what is being said, but a baseline to work from in helpful. We ask about the future all the time - and the Yi helps us to deal with ourselves, in the now moment, most of the time.

 

[precision grace]

It could have also been about all the things the person thought when they read my email. They were impressed with some of it, saw problems in parts etc. In the end, they were moved to pursue the meeting which is all I was hoping for at this stage. I will probably seek further advice from Yi nearer the time of the meeting. I know there might be some issues about this which go over both our heads, so I am prepared for things not to work out on that account. I want to get the job obviously, but if I don't, I really hope it will be because of the politics and not because I wasn't good enough for the job.

 

[Trojina]

An opportunity for a potential job came up today. It's not a definite job, it doesn't exist yet, but through a colleague I was put in touch with a person who may be looking for someone to do some work I am interested in so I sent my resume and a covering note. I asked what the reaction will be to my email and received 6 changing to 15.

This doesn't look good to me at all. Would you agree that it basically counsels that I have worded my application in a wrong way and that I am not good enough for what they are looking for and should not expect them to pursue this further?

Thank you :bows:

Its kind of jumps out at me that theres the 44 change pattern here. That is if all the changing lines were yang (this is how you find the change pattern) you would have hex 44..so this was an unecpected opportunity you are advised to link briefly with but not marry into. So for some reason this offer sparked you up, revved your engine...but wasn't going to be something to permanently link to. So 44 if we use the pattern of the lines was the 'way in' to the reading. The yin change pattern is where we turn all the changing lines to yin so here that would be make hex 24.

The yin pattern is said to be the 'way out' of the situation...whicn here is clearly 'return to yourself'.

So I see it as you had a brief excursion into something (44) that may have given you a more realistic picture of who you are, what you want (hex 15). That excursion is useful for you...but its not a permanent part of your life

I don't think you did anything wrong ....you could say it was fated to be a brief encounter


I don't know if you know about change patterns...its just the pattern the changing lines make...here if they are all yang they make 44, if they are all yin they make 24...yang is way in to reading yin is way out of reading


I don't think you'll get the job yet it wasn't a mistake to apply for it...there still gain from it somehow. Perhaps it sparks something in you. Unsuccessful things still have their uses...and being unsuccessful does not make you wrong



i could be wrong of course ...one must bear that faint possibility in mind...wink

 

[Trojina]

To reinforce what Ginnie said, as soon as you start speculating about others peoples responses and reasoning via the Yi you are pretty much lost...mostly. Even if the answers seem accurate, yes they did think this or that, it actually doesn't take you very far in getting the overall picture you need.

 

[Trojina]

Ginnie, I like your take on that. I have noticed that myself, and although I have received some great insight when asking about other people's perspective or reactions, other times, I have felt the Yi was giving me information about myself instead. Usually when I'm digging for insight I alredy have but don't like. Or asking about something that just won't benefit me to delve into. I'm not sure what this is saying, and when I ask a question with someone else as the center, unless the answer is very apparent, I'm not sure who the Yi is talking about! So, I would have to agree. Yi works better with questions centered around oneself. But, sometimes, often actually, people are looking for answers about the unseen of a situation. And that often involves other people. What is a question one could pose to the Yi here that would give the insight needed without the confusion?

You can gain access to all you need to know by asking from your own POV. Yi isn't there to give you advantage over others nor does it invade toeir privacy...as you noticed instead of telling you about them most often it tells you about you

I noticed you asked maybe yesterday 'why is he calling me'. but...what you need to know is how you best respond to his calls. If Yi advises you to withdraw you can surmise his motives weren't that good....or theres no point in it.....but really all you need to know is about what you do...not what hes thinking... Going into that decentres you ...you can't act around what someone else is thinking...for more ideas on how to ask from your own POV see


http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12642


BTW theres a thread on 6 unchanging in Exploring Divination....be great if you would put your bit on it here in. I like it cos it supports my theory...or maybe I will link to it there. If you object i can de link

 

[precision grace]

I didn't know about change patterns, thanks Trojan. my grasp of Yi is very superficial and most of the time I tend to go on gut feeling, but clearly there is a whole science behind it that makes answers that much more comprehensive. Very many thanks for your input. I think you may be quite right. It was very much a strange experience because this is the first time I've done an application in this way - I was being fully authentic and wrote it all the way I really wanted to write it instead of the way it may be expected. So it was a very valuable experience already. And to actually get the invitation to meet reiterated after sending that email was another confirmation for me which was very much needed. Whether the job pans out or not, time will tell, but it has been a valuable learning process already.

 

[Trojina]

I only just learned about change patterns in Reading circle, they aren't always that helpful but here they seem to stand out. Not sure its an existing 'science'' more like a process of discovery.

 

[ginnie]

And to actually get the invitation to meet reiterated after sending that email was another confirmation for me which was very much needed.

I think the yang change pattern indicates the interview. What could be more 'a brief encounter' than an interview? A job interview is the quintessential brief encounter. And the yin change pattern is 24, which implies relaxing and then friends will come and go. So, I see the interview going well.