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deusa

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i decided to follow Trojina's advice and asked "what is you advice to me about trusting him?"
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well, i always get a bit confused with the 8 month thing.
once I got this hex and it was pointed out to me things could CHANGE at the 8th month, so if they were going bad, they could turn good... but what about the context of the answer? does this mean I should trust the evolution of seasons?
line 2 sounds very positive...
and 24? i go out and come back. come back from where? trusting him? doubting?
there are "gates" which were closed, indeed. are they going to open after some time?
what is the meaning of 19? and of 24?
 

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If you watch carefully, both hecagrams look like a glass being emptied. Line 2 tends to speak about what you know. I'd say you need to clear (24) your head and try and give them a fresh start in your mind
 

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'Influence nearing, good fortune.
Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

If it bears fruit, it can be trusted, right?
Influence nearing means something or somebody giving help?
 

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Cleary says:
The second yang is also in the momentum of gradually increasing strength, but at this point it is best to keep still and not ride on the momentum to try to advance; then it will be good and beneficial all around.

It seems a bit like the "emptying of the mind" suggested by slowcheetah.

It sounds very positive, the line. 24 is return.
But, as usual, i can read it 2 ways:
1- he returns or
2- i return to my old happy aloneness...
What is your take?
 
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Hi deusa - my feeling on this is do you trust yourself first and foremost, will you let him get away with what you allowed before that sort of thing.
The line does indicate getting clear with him about whatever the trust issue is. I think Returning to your own centre is your first line of defense. When we're centred we're in a much better head/heart space.
 

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Thank you!
Yes, TRUST has many sides...
1- i am afraid of trusting my feelings. I am afraid of letting someone get near.
2- i won't tolerate what we had before. That is very clear. So clear that we are in silence and i will only accept conversation again when things can be different.
As Rosada said about 15.3, or he finds a way of being with me acceptable to me (a correct way), or I don't want anything.
3- i did return to my centre. I feel more ME. More clear. Although I tried being centered all the time.

Good side: i am so proud of myself for being able to keep limits. I did nothing that can be seen as reproachable. I was correct. Always. That feels good.
 
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19 Nearing is telling you the time is now or fast approaching to make progress towards your goal, to prepare, plan, get ready for a new busy season. I think the eight month thing is about being untimely, either premature or late.
Further Reading: Yijing Hexagram Names and Core Meanings > H.19 > Notes @ http://www.hermetica.info
The text in 19 may be agricultural but everything has its own time and season.

''To everything there is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven...''
 

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Peterg, can you explain me better the 8 month thing?
It always confuses me...
 

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"Eighth month" is mid autumn, September, means many yin lines or better yin energy (lower energy, confidence, self esteem...) gain even more energy and stronger confidence --> -->

--> --> Good side: i am so proud of myself for being able to keep limits. I did nothing that can be seen as reproachable. I was correct. Always. That feels good.

:bounce:
 

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Thanks to you all.
I just an insight about 24, returning.
I usually center myself in the other person, in relationships. I "loose" a bit my center. I am good at understanding people's stories. How things are for them, how they evolved, factors influencinythis and that. I try, and do, help people in their difficulties.
But sometimes I forget MYSELF. What do I want? What are MY needs?
Maybe 24 is reTURNing to myself...
 

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