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affects of antidepressant vs. healing...should i continue the drug?

debono

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Hi..!!

i am taking an SSRI, anti-depressant for the Post traumatic stress syndrome, and it has adverse affects..so i wanted to check whether taking it long term would help me heal?



would it be okay to keep taking sertraline? will it heal me? please image of situation


Hexagram 56 Traveling
You will take on a journey. Only minor undertakings will go well.
Line 1
Don't consume your will-power with trivial things; otherwise, misfortune will come.
Hexagram 30 Clinging Light
Persistent correctness gives success. Care of the cow can give good fortune.
 

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Hi debono.

I too take SSRI's and have for a long time now although the information leaflet says they should be stopped when "better." In fact, to come off the drug needs to be done carefully as there are side effects initially.

So far I can't say I've had any adverse effects at all.

I won't comment on the hexagrams as I want to emphasise that you've a contract with your doctor. You both agreed the drug seemed suitable in the circumstances. I would have thought that your first action would be to discuss any adverse effects with your doctor and your concerns.

The drug itself cannot heal you. It only controls difficult emotions and allows you the space to engage in healing. At least that's my understanding and experience.

I wish you all the best,
Bob:)
 

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Hi debono,

44bob: The drug itself cannot heal you. It only controls difficult emotions and allows you the space to engage in healing. At least that's my understanding and experience.

This has been my experience so far with anti-depressants. Really they have helped. I had initial side-effects but they've evened out now. Perhaps if yours are continuous then you should talk to your doctor about finding a different combination but it might be an idea to give them more time to work.

Lise: A first impression is extremely important. Often it cannot be undone, and even if one can show one's real intentions later, it will never be really convincing.

Wilhelm 30.1: It is early morning and work begins. The mind has been closed to the outside world in sleep; now its connections with the world begin again. The traces of one's impressions run crisscross. Activity and haste prevail. It is important then to preserve inner composure and not to allow oneself to be swept along by the bustle of life. If one is serious and composed, he can acquire the clarity of mind needed for coming to terms with the innumerable impressions that pour in. It is precisely at the beginning that serious concentration is important, because the beginning holds the seed of all that is to follow.

daoloatse: 1.When you are in a vulnerable position (as is any wanderer), do not let yourself become too involved with trivial matters which are not your concern. Maintain your sense of purpose, and don’t allow yourself to be overly distracted....


I found it hard to see how 56.1 could relate to your situation as it talks of 'busying yourself with triavial things' (anti-depressants are hardly trivial') and 'maintaining inner dignity'. But looking at the fan yao 30.1 above and from Lise's interpretation of 56.1 it could be saying not to be overly-concerned with the small effects (such as perhaps the sife-effects (unless they're really bad?) and instead to remember their purpose ie. why you are taking them. They are supposed to help so maybe you need to give them more time and allow them to rather than feeling anxious over the minor details. And hex 30 suggests clarity - perhaps they will provide the light you need to help you heal. But if the side effects really do interfere with your everyday life then that's different. Also, and I hate doing this (being ambiguous) but, looking at Lise's interpretation, it could be saying to pay attention to the side effects as if they are bad and continous, it may be saying these aren't right for you (keep wandering). What are your instincts telling you about them?

Sorry not to have been too clear on this but I hope something I've said has helped.

:bows:
 
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The drug itself cannot heal you. It only controls difficult emotions and allows you the space to engage in healing.

well said.

This is an issue that many people who believe in healing with the mind have: Do you take an aspirin to ameliorate pain of a headache or do you instead meditate and try to heal it with your mind. This is obviously an individual matter, but if the pain is bad enough, it will be very hard to cure oneself using the mind because the pain is so demanding of one's attention.

Still, as with any medicine, one has to weigh the side effects vs the benefits. In addition, there might be other medications that have a similar effect but with fewer side effects.
 

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development of situation

thank you guys for your input.

lemme explain what happened, i am still confused though

by mistake i had taken 50 mg instead of 25mg to start with...my bad.

i did experience the side effects which are considered minor for zoloft, which are sweating, temporary insomnia, loss of appetite, dizzyness

in addition, couple of times it felt my heart is sinking, and i just ran back to bed and slept... and then there was an annoying constant pain in the brain..( which i had also experienced with a previous medicine)

i took that medicine on saturday, and experienced side effects as soon as it was in my blood stream, saturday and sunday night was horrible, and by monday still i felt the pain, although other symptoms had gone.

also, on saturday night, i had experienced great sweating, and it i had a little congestion in breating before, which vanished after taking the medicine.. i also felt great on many levels, and the distance it provided me, and suddenly i could see no habitual reflexive reaction which seemed to have jammed my stomach and other organs, i felt less and less cold, and then there were moments i felt cold again.


it is my experience that psychiatrists are involved in aggressive promotion of certain expensive drugs, and they don't really give you the right medicine, because of malpractice and also being devoid of discipline of east which studies the patient more deeply.

i didnt continue medicine after saturday, should i start again by 15mg of it...because i did experience immediate benefits also...

or did the hexagram meant that side effects can get overwhelming? and i should try other treatments of PTSD

please provide your input ...its very much appreciated in advance..
 

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I think 56.1 could be saying don't sweat the little stuff. Maybe just take the 25mg as the doctor prescribed? And see how it goes, but if the side effects are making problems for you in your everyday life, then you should ask the doctor if you can change your prescription. Perhaps, being the wanderer (hex 56) you still haven't found the correct help, because they are supposed to be supporting you on your journey (providing clarity - hex 30) but if they are mostly making trouble for your health then they may be hindering progress... But if the benefits outweigh the negatives then perhaps you need to try to ignore the side-effects which will eventually settle down? I'm a bit hesitant to give direct advise of course as it's medical, but these are the impressions I get from your reading.

Hope things clear up soon :)
 

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lack of discipline?

so taking a medicine is like being on a journey...and if it says, only minor undertakings will go well... does that mean...its not the correct diagnosis of my situation?


Don't consume your will-power with trivial things; otherwise, misfortune will come.

i had decided to weather the storm, so maybe it is telling me not to take unnecessary pain?

persistent correctness: part of the problem has been lack of discipline in following any undertaking, not always, but in many cases.. i did take one medication regularly for year, but after stopped to take it...no benefit has gain and situation is back to where i started...


so given all this discussion...and interpretation...what does the i ching suggest.

does it mean more that, not to be weary of side-effects?

or does it mean stop? and search for other cure?
 
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meng

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Debono,

Don't take this as medical advice, only the impression of a Yijing forumite, but I'm seeing 56.1-30 as saying that dependency (30 is also clinging) on mood altering medications will have no significant impact on your condition.
 

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Journeying Towards Clarity -- Hexagram 56.1 --> H30

Hi..!!

i am taking an SSRI...would it be okay to keep taking sertraline? will it heal me? please image of situation
Hexagram 56.1 --> H30
It is not unreasonable to compare the patient, dependent on a medicine and a doctor's care, to that of a stranger in strange land, someone with an individual journey who doesn't feel native to the land they find themselves in.

If you don't know the lingo and the relationship with the medicine man is new, then it is like journeying somewhere where the customs are strange. Also, your state is altered from the drug and perhaps your judgement is lso. Listen to what the Wikiwing says about Line 1.

‘The sojourner: fragments and bits,
Splits off from her place and seizes calamity.’

First sign of the sojourner’s tendency to self-sabotage. Here she fragments things and deals in trivia, avoids the bigger picture. Hence she forfeits her own place to stand and actively ‘seizes calamity’.

So the question for you is, are things becoming visible, or are you dazzled by what you see? (H30) Are you looking at the big picture, trying to assess the situation, or are you falling into some trivial detail about the drug or the side effects?

This is the "image" of the situation you asked for. Some drugs will help you heal, but not all drugs heal, in any physical or emotional way. In this case, the drug is just affecting your chemical balance, hopefully for the better:).

Tiger
 
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I'm a strong believer that antidepressant medication should be seen as a therapy, and should always be accompanied by and work hand-in-hand with mental/emotional therapeutic counseling. Sticking people on these meds and leaving them to sort their deeper problems alone just isn't the answer.

I can find relevance to this in Debono's reading, as 56.1 doesn't address the heart of the matter, and also doesn't fully willingly commit to the therapy. It may be that the illumination of 30 could represent a more enlightened therapeutic approach.
 

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