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Hi everyone,

I had a question about all six lines of the IChing changing, what does that mean? As you know I'm still learning so I was just curious, if that ever came up, what that mean? Also is there an easy way to memorize the lines of hexagrams?
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!
All the best,
Celeste
 

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You may never get all six lines changing - it's very unusual. If you ever do, then the meaning will come from the context, of course. If I were going to generalise (which is probably a really bad idea)... everything open for change, the whole situation being remade; the best you could do is to co-operate with the process and let balance restore itself.

(Hm, yes, I think that was a really bad idea.)
 

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All Lines changing

I have gotten all 6 lines changing various times. In general it is just another oracle that comes up when appropriate. That is, if there isn't a 'spanner in the works' such as you are throwing coins in a way that all three coins are linked somehow and only able to come up the same.

When all 6 lines are moving, the hexagram is changing into its opposite line values. For a few hexagrams at the extremes of the two halves of the King Wen sequence this is the next hexagram. For all the rest is a totally different hexagram where the stages of the overall process that were background are becoming focus and those that were focus now are expressing and exhausting themselves, sinking into the background.

The easy way to memorize the lines of the hexagrams is to cast the oracle more than 25 times a day for several years, Looking up and the oracle and interpreting it as a vital source of what you need to know. familiarity with the line patterns, line meanings, etc comes along as a by-product.

The traditional Chinese way to teach the hexagram line patterns were 1) use the trigram houses, that is study the hexagrams in sets of eight, all those with one trigram on top as a set.
2) The commentary in Wilhelm on sequence is said to be a rhyming text to teach the hexagram names in order.

I would suggest, in the alternative to any of these abstract issues, that you use the oracle to answer questions vital to you, look up the hexagrams to interpret the answer, and let your relationship with the Yi guide your further understanding.

There is also the alternative of learning the structural analysis of the Yi, and then the hexagram names and line patterns will be clear from just where there Yang lines in the overall matrix.

Frank
 

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I have gotten all 6 lines changing various times. In general it is just another oracle that comes up when appropriate. That is, if there isn't a 'spanner in the works' such as you are throwing coins in a way that all three coins are linked somehow and only able to come up the same.

When all 6 lines are moving, the hexagram is changing into its opposite line values. For a few hexagrams at the extremes of the two halves of the King Wen sequence this is the next hexagram. For all the rest is a totally different hexagram where the stages of the overall process that were background are becoming focus and those that were focus now are expressing and exhausting themselves, sinking into the background.

The easy way to memorize the lines of the hexagrams is to cast the oracle more than 25 times a day for several years, Looking up and the oracle and interpreting it as a vital source of what you need to know. familiarity with the line patterns, line meanings, etc comes along as a by-product.

The traditional Chinese way to teach the hexagram line patterns were 1) use the trigram houses, that is study the hexagrams in sets of eight, all those with one trigram on top as a set.
2) The commentary in Wilhelm on sequence is said to be a rhyming text to teach the hexagram names in order.

I would suggest, in the alternative to any of these abstract issues, that you use the oracle to answer questions vital to you, look up the hexagrams to interpret the answer, and let your relationship with the Yi guide your further understanding.

There is also the alternative of learning the structural analysis of the Yi, and then the hexagram names and line patterns will be clear from just where there Yang lines in the overall matrix.

Frank

Hi everyone,
I know that Frank was saying about the trigram houses. I'm still learning, and I don't really know the trigrams, and was wondering what those are about?
I feel they could help me and the yi has helped to guide my intuition to get the messages across. I've found sometimes it gets right to the point, other times it gives me a lot of information. Any help would be appreciated!
All the best,
Celeste
 

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What are trigrams all about in the Yi

Hi Celeste,

There are two questions you raise. One is learning the Yi Oracle, and I truly believe that comes with framing the issues of your life in terms of questions and developing a relationship with the Oracle of the Yi. Keeping a journal of your situations, the exact questions asked, the Oracle hexagram and resultant (the same hexagram if there are no moving lines), how you interpreted the answer (the book text doesn't need to be repeated, but what you concluded it meant) and then space left to later add journal entries of what happened and how you now interpret the meaning of it all.

The second is what do the trigrams represent and how does one learn them. The trigrams are the simplest possible complete narratives of process. They have a beginning, a middle and a result. My whole perspective on this is up on my site, specifically the web page www.stars-n-dice.com/fluxtome.html

The traditional Chinese perspective associated the trigrams with long lists of things. The two that are the most insightful are the family members and the natural images.
The Father and the Mother are the trigrams with all Yang, all Yin lines. They are also Heaven (or Sunshine) and Earth. They have 6 children, 3 boys and 3 girls. The gender of a trigram is determined by what is unique about them. All six trigrams have two lines of one ilk (Yang or Yin) and a unique line of the other. Placement of that unique line in the first place indicates the eldest, middle the middle child, top line place makes the trigram a youngest child of its gender.

Sorting the trigrams out that way will be a beginning to getting past their being abstract lines and developing a family feeling towards them. That would be a enough to greatly further your journey to become familar with the Yi hexagrams, trigrams and oracle.

Good Luck -- as you work with the Oracle it will take you under its wing and help you along. It is a journey of 1,000 miles (li) but if you keep putting one foot in front of the other you will find the trip is far more important than getting to the final destination.:)

Frank
 

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Celeste,

The trigrams are the groups of three lines, for instance, in hexagram one the upper trigram is three unbroken lines, same upper trigram in hexgram 12, and same upper trigram in hexagram 6, or hex 44....

when all the lines change - that is, if you threw three quarters six times, one throw for each line, and got, evry time, ALL HEADS and/or ALL Tails, then every line is changing. So if you threw THREE HEADS six times, then you would get hex 1 changing into hex 2. If for instnace, you threw three heads, then three tails, then three heads, then three heads, then three tails, then three heads....you would have all lines changing in hexagram 30, changing into hexagram 29.....The question is THEN, what do all the changing lines mean? And sometimes, ONE MIGHT SAY that when all lines change, the first hexagram is not so important as the one it is changing into.......in the case of 30 turning into 29, it could be that there is so much synergy, so much "clinging," so much heat (30), that the situation is one of imminent danger (29). (maybe an addiction of some kind, perhaps) BUt that is just an example.

I am curious as to how you get the interpretation of your hexagrams. do you have a program that reads it aloud to you? or do you have a translation in Braille? HOw do you read the messages here on the board?

Unfortunately , the only way to memorize the lines, and hexgrams, is to use the I Ching for many years, or, as Franks says, to use it many times a day. Even then, it is still an art to divine.....I know all the lines and hexagrams by heart pretty much, meaning I do not have to have a text nearby to know what my coins have given me..... in essence.......BUT that is where Intuition comes in.....what the essence of any given line, or reading, is saying at any given time is divined thru a combination of having read the texts many times, and then how my intuition swirls it into the present moment, a long with how I am feeling, what random images come to mind, how it relates to my question, etc. Sometimes a direct hit, a ZING of a response, the jackpot lights up and I am struck with understanding.....and gratitude. Other times, it is a lot of information, as you say, and I have to ponder the connection to my question.

hope that helps a little!

all the best, Listener
 

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The trigrams

Hi everyone,

Well, Frank I was able to go to the site you gave me. Thanks for that link, it's helped me.
Also to everyone, I'm trying to learn the trigram houses.
All the best,
Celeste
 

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Learning the trigrams and hexagrams

Hi everyone,

Well, Frank I was able to go to the site you gave me. Thanks for that link, it's helped me.
Also to everyone, I'm trying to learn the trigram houses.
All the best,
Celeste

I looked in the Wilhelm text, as the final appendix there is a description of the trigrams from their line structure (The arousing is like an open bowl, etc) and then a description of the 8 houses starting with trigram Heaven on top with the 8 trigrams under it. This will at least transform the task from learning 64 hexagrams to learning 8 sets of 8 hexagrams with the line patterns similarly simplified to the trigrams.

I'm glad my flux tome page was helpful for you. It was more of a statement of my perspective than an introduction to the subject. I would be interested in what on that long page was helpful (feedback is great).

Frank
 

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Hi to everyone,

Listener, the way I read the hexagrams is I have a computer with a program I use that talks to me. Then I usually do everything by feel, memorizing (or reading things on tape) and going online to get my translations. If I had a braille embosser to braille out everything for me, I then could braille the translation out for myself.
My screen reader JAWS helps me to navigate the site.

As far as the trigrams Frank, I found the translation you told me about online, I know I've seen it before a year or so ago, but can't find the website again.
I'll look for it though.
You were saying on the site about 6 and progress, and the insightful trigrams regarding family witht the children.
I have found it being easy to navigate with my screen reader (I know some sites aren't compatible) with it.
Thanks again for all your help and also to everyone who has helped me along the way!
All the best,
Celeste
 

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