An early bill 8.3>39

[becalm]

My landlady has sent me an invoice for a electricity out of sync with the time in between bills.....in essence an early bill.What do I need to know about the reason for this early bill being sent.....Hexagram 8.3>39......this looks like a reflection of our relationship. I don't like her and do my best to avoid her at all costs. She's a control freak and I've had to tell her to back off more than once. Long story short that is. Is she trying to 'reorganise' our union or has she noticed that I'm slowly packing things up to move? From the outside of my place you wouldn't be able to tell except I've given away a heap of my plants. The relationship is Difficult and full of Obstacles Hexagram 39. cheers,

 

[Liselle]

Line 3 is 'Seeking union with non-people' from Hilary's book...

Also hexagram 8's oracle says this, which is interesting.

'Seeking union, good fortune.
At the origin of oracle consultation,
From the source, ever-flowing constancy.
No mistake.
Not at rest, coming on all sides.
For the latecomer, pitfall.'

I guess it could be what you said, that somehow she's gotten the impression you're about to move, and maybe she thinks you wouldn't pay the last bit of the electric bill. Maybe this has happened to her with other tenants, and she's trying to find a way around the problem (hexagram 39)?

The problem with that is that "maybe possibly getting ready to move" isn't the same as actually leaving, so what is she going to do, send you an electric bill every week?

She's not over-billing you, is she, I hope?

 

[Trojina]

My landlady has sent me an invoice for a electricity out of sync with the time in between bills.....in essence an early bill.What do I need to know about the reason for this early bill being sent.....Hexagram 8.3>39......this looks like a reflection of our relationship. I don't like her and do my best to avoid her at all costs. She's a control freak and I've had to tell her to back off more than once. Long story short that is. Is she trying to 'reorganise' our union or has she noticed that I'm slowly packing things up to move? From the outside of my place you wouldn't be able to tell except I've given away a heap of my plants. The relationship is Difficult and full of Obstacles Hexagram 39. cheers,

I think you should consider the bill may have been generated via a system error to her.

The 'non people' in line 3 can be literally 'not people'. They can be systems and we all know what happens with computer systems. Now she herself did send it not the electricity people so that seems less likely but often line 3 here is simply pointing out 'hey you think you are dealing with a human but you aren't' in a very literal way.


It's like when we get mad with queuing systems on the phone and automated voice recordings when we get through to utility companies, banks and so on.

We act like humans to machines and computer systems. I shout a lot at recorded messages, I can't help being human even with a machine. It could be this is all down not to human error or intent but to some kind of system blip.


As I say if she herself sent the bill this take seems less likely but I thought I'd offer it anyway.

Seems to me a lot of very upsetting things in life happen because of systems and automatically generated letters and such. Bring back people is what I say.

 

[moss elk]

Also hexagram 8's oracle says this, which is interesting.

Hey Liselle,
Don't bother reading the main hexagram's oracle when there are change lines.
(Because information in the line supercedes the info in the judgement)
(And to read it will only confuse you.)
(Because the important message is in the line)

 

[Trojina]

Hey Liselle,
Don't bother reading the main hexagram's oracle when there are change lines.
(Because information in the line supercedes the info in the judgement)
(And to read it will only confuse you.)
(Because the important message is in the line)

We have had this conversation before. Of course one reads the Oracle, the hexagram, that is where the line occurs ! Yes the line takes precedence but that really doesn't mean one disregards the rest of the answer. I think we can carry several pieces of information in our heads at once without getting confused. Liselle is no beginner.

 

[rosada]

For some questions just a quick reading of the line is all that's necessary to get a meaningful insight. Some questions require a deeper understanding however, especially when the line doesn't seem to resonate until one recognizes it's place in terms of the whole hexagram. Indeed, some lines don't illuminate until you've read all the lines, the fan yao, the previous and following hexagrams, asked three more questions and posted them all here on clarity.com.

Whatever feeds your tortoise..

 

[Liselle]

Of course one reads the Oracle, the hexagram, that is where the line occurs ! Yes the line takes precedence but that really doesn't mean one disregards the rest of the answer. I think we can carry several pieces of information in our heads at once without getting confused.

Let's not over-estimate the capacity of my head haha but thank you.

A better way of explaining what I think it might mean might be this: tenants (a group of 'non-people' who are just paychecks, possibly, to the less-than-lovely landlady) have in the past moved without arranging to pay the last bit of the electric bill, so suspicious landlady is trying to find a way around that problem before Becalm moves and it's too late.

Of course I don't know if any of that is true.

And it could be as Trojina said, that the non-people are a blip in the electric company's billing or something. Just the other day a generally well-behaved computer system handed me several duplicate charges out of the blue that had to be straightened out; it can happen.

 

[Liselle]

Whatever feeds your tortoise..

 

[moss elk]

We have had this conversation before. Of course one reads the Oracle, the hexagram, that is where the line occurs ! Yes the line takes precedence but that really doesn't mean one disregards the rest of the answer. I think we can carry several pieces of information in our heads at once without getting confused. Liselle is no beginner.

Yes I remember.
Obviously I didn't explain my point well enough the first time then. I will use Hilary's analogy of the lovely meadow and the viper. This hex is a great example for it. Let's take the 'Promising' from the judgement. If you get no lines, yes it is promising, you are in the lovely meadow. But with line 3, you are bonding with the snake. You must forget the whole 'promising' part here. Because there is no Promise in line 3, Except of pain.
Do you understand why I keep saying not to read the Judgement in these cases?
It is to avoid the following, "this sucks, but I am in the lovely meadow! there is a snake here, ouch! but I am supposed to be in the meadow, ouch ouch"

 

[Trojina]

Yes I remember.
Obviously I didn't explain my point well enough the first time then. I will use Hilary's analogy of the lovely meadow and the viper. This hex is a great example for it. Let's take the 'Promising' from the judgement. If you get no lines, yes it is promising, you are in the lovely meadow. But with line 3, you are bonding with the snake. You must forget the whole 'promising' part here. Because there is no Promise in line 3, Except of pain.
Do you understand why I keep saying not to read the Judgement in these cases?
It is to avoid the following, "this sucks, but I am in the lovely meadow! there is a snake here, ouch! but I am supposed to be in the meadow, ouch ouch"

I don't need you to explain I understand perfectly well, (how can you even imagine I don't) but that does not mean you have any reason to instruct people not to read the Oracle.

We don't need to 'forget' anything, we can hold it in mind whilst drawing from the reading the most pertinent parts which can vary from reading to reading.

So I think you are wrong advising people to ignore the oracle, especially people who have been consulting for a long time. We know what role the lines play, we can gauge how much weight to give each part of the reading.

No point going over old ground we will have to agree to differ.

 

[Liselle]

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That's a good analogy that I hadn't seen (I've seen the desert/oasis one).

So yes, I do see your point, M.E., and it's a good one. But I accounted for both the line and the hexagrams in my interpretation. I didn't ignore the line.

Obviously it's a guess, though. I have no idea whether former tenants failed to pay their last bill, etc. etc. Becalm asked what she should know about the reason, so maybe it's not quite as much mind-reading as if she would have just asked "why." Maybe she'll be able to figure it out eventually (and then if she'd update that would be lovely!).

 

[Trojina]

Yes I remember.
Obviously I didn't explain my point well enough the first time then. I will use Hilary's analogy of the lovely meadow and the viper. This hex is a great example for it. Let's take the 'Promising' from the judgement. If you get no lines, yes it is promising, you are in the lovely meadow. But with line 3, you are bonding with the snake. You must forget the whole 'promising' part here. Because there is no Promise in line 3, Except of pain.
Do you understand why I keep saying not to read the Judgement in these cases?
It is to avoid the following, "this sucks, but I am in the lovely meadow! there is a snake here, ouch! but I am supposed to be in the meadow, ouch ouch"

...and the point is you are seeking union with the non human, the urge is there to bond with it. No use reading a line without considering the hexagram you are in.


So basically one reads the Oracle then the lines - you don't just not read the Oracle. You read the oracle take that in and then by reading the lines that tempers your understanding, you modify your understanding of the oracle through reading the lines.

 

[Trojina]

Ok none intended this end either

 

[becalm]

Thanks for your interesting responses, always interesting to learn!! However back to the reading. Usually it takes a few weeks for the bill to arrive in the mail and then she doesn't normally rush to get me to pay it anyway. This time however the new system allows the reader of the electricity meter to read it via some techno meter which pretty much gets back to the head computer straight away and spits out the bill that is sent by email to my landlady. So lots of non-people here right!! I still wonder why she would get onto me early about it anyway because sometimes she can take up to a month before she even bothers but our relations have got to the point that I hardly speak to her, obviously she's picked that up and wants to reconcile that so she hung about outside the next door place which she's also landlady of knowing I had to walk past her to get to my car. As soon as she saw me she said oh thanks for tending to the bill and kept finding excuses to keep talking to me, Hexagram 39 cleared now, bill question cleared up.....all good really. Except I still see her as a 'non-person' in my life haha......and she's no idea I'm wanting to move out.

 

[moss elk]

It may just refer to your rotten landlady.

Here's a rotten land lady (looks like a certain presidents twin sister too!):

[video=youtube_share;g8Q4d8zW5HQ]https://youtu.be/g8Q4d8zW5HQ[/video]

 

[Liselle]

Thanks, Becalm, glad it's straightened out (and I hope you get a better landlord next time).

 

[becalm]

Moss Elk how hilarious are you familiar with Neutral Bay? It is one of the most upper class suburbs in Sydney, Australia. How sad for this woman, what must be in her heart. I feel sorry for my own landlady as she's a full on control freak, in my mind something must have gone horribly wrong in her life for her to need to control her environment so much and well her family and husband.....having said that I also know it's not my stuff and prefer to keep away from her.

 

[moss elk]

How sad for this woman, what must be in her heart. I feel sorry for my own landlady as she's a full on control freak,

Some people are so poor that
they only have money.

Here is Bradfords definition of
Fei Ren:
fei3 inferior, bad, negative, wrong
ren2 people, group; person, individual,

Fei Ren is the same Fei Ren as it appears in 12's : bad people or wrong people and should be thought of as exactly the same, without a distinction.

Here are some other words that may help understand.

Tu Fei is Bandit or gangster.
Bang Fei is Kidnapper
(Sense the theme?)

Given that, I think, instead of
the expression 'non-human',
That 'Inhuman'
or 'Bad people'
Will be closer to the mark more often than 'systems' will be.

I am a stickler for this one,
As 8.3 was my very first reading and it described a human being who was disturbingly and harmfully insane to themself and others,.

The Wings commentary of
'Is this not sufficiently painful?'
Also Brings the meaning to light.