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hmesker said:You are (deliberately?) taking my remark out of its original context. You said
And that's a prejudice.
hmesker said:But when you correlate these qualities with the trigrams you do so by their traditional accepted names and meanings, as found in the Ten Wings.
hmesker said:The same goes for the hexagrams and their names. Your material, however, would to a certain extent not fit the Mawangdui Yijing,
hmesker said:or the Chujian Yijing, because they apply different names with likely different meanings. Yet these are also Yijings.
hmesker said:Everywhere on your site you apply the traditional, accepted meanings of the hexagrams as known from the received Yijing. If the received version were replaced by another version, you would have a problem. Those who use the Yi as an oracle would not have that problem.
hmesker said:The fact that it is not covered in the traditional material does not mean that the ancient Chinese 'missed' it. Every manuscript is a reflection of its time. The basic associations of the trigrams (which you apply so abundantly on your site) are derived from the Ten Wings.
hmesker said:Only about 1000 years later this was expanded to long lists of categorized associations which we still use today. This does not mean that these later associations were 'missed' by the writers of the Ten Wings. There just was no need and/or use for it at that time.
Everybody can expand on the material of the Yi. But every expansion is most likely an expansion of the traditional Yi with its traditional associations from a subjective point of view. Without this foundation you have nothing to build on. Therefore I think we should first study this foundation, instead of making up fancy theories.
jesed said:Now, this is a total nonsense (maybe I should say a "Nonsense Plus"?)
Etymology is not about qualities of a six-line figure; but about words.
lightofreason said:there is a core focus on MEANING and hexagrams serve the same purpose as words as do numbers - they represent some ratio, some relationship of some form.
jesed said:Cris
1.- Words can be expresed in several diferent way: oraly, picturely, abstractly. In every of this cases, they remain words.
jesed said:Maybe I don't understand you well, maybe your quote is out of context, but ...are you saying that etymology is a "pseudospiritual dream"?... wow
I feel sorry for those people devoted to linguistics and etymology, they use to think that etymology is some kind of Science. Poor guys.
And, since you are asking Togan to leave this forum to go into others, because he doesn't agree with your idea about not stay with the etimological discussion but go into more general meaning discussion, this mean that you are becoming the local guru around here?
lightofreason said:Wilhelm or Eranos or Legge or even chinese translations do not cover issues of 02 as total darkness or the positive aspects of 47 etc etc They does not cover the neurologically-determined forms of interpretations of cooperative/competitive forms - and so 02 is (a) total negation, total darkess as it is (b) a womb.
lightofreason said:no. a word is a word.... the word is a representation of meaning ...The word 'ONE' is a representation, as is '1'
If I say: "you will receive the letter in a X or Y day" (Zeldicac case), the fact that he recieved or not doesn't depend on her feelings neither in my feelings (she wouldn't say I feel like I'm receiving the letter), she actually recieved the letter, taht is a fact; the day when she received is a X or a Y day or not, that doesn't depends on her feelings (I feel like today is a Tiger day).lightofreason said:As for calendars etc in the IC, the hexagrams are used to represent distinctions of past/present/future and the number of lines can be used to reflect a lunar year etc but all of this is dependent on feelings
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