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An interesting little reading: will someone get back to me? 12 unchanging

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So I texted someone, was waiting for them to get back to me. I asked whether they would, and got 12 unchanging.

12, Standstill. (WB trans)
Evil people do not further the perseverance of the superior man. The great departs; the small approaches.

Sounds like a no, right? And yet several hours later -- perhaps longer than I would have liked -- they certainly did get back to me.

I've meanwhile had a business/professional relationship where I got 12 unchanging and something DID happen in the short-term, but in the long-term didn't really pan out.

So I think this is a lesson about unchanging hexagrams... that they are pointing to some facet of the situation, but that in some other facet of the situation the opposite is true.

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If you read the individual lines they describe the steps one needs to take to get out of Standstill and back to getting things moving again so when you look at those lines do they perhaps describe what you went through while waiting for a response? Like, did you mentally sort out some things or did you complete some other chores of the day so that when the person finally did get back you were in a different state of mind as what you might have been if you'd connected earlier?

Hilary's translates 12 as Obstruction and says the Image advises to use energy sparingly, so maybe advice not to sit by the phone waiting for a response, but not necessarily saying there will be no response. The Image also warns against taking any salary so perhaps that explains getting 12 for the business not being successful - there was activity, just no money!
 
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I don't often think of the Yi as being predictive (others obviously do). So, based on my take on it, the Yi may be suggesting that you consider the idea that things / people / situations sometimes go their own way, regardless of what we might want them to do.

Another name for 12 is 'Separating' and as Rosada said, the lines describe ways we can explore that phenomenon (though in your case you didn't get any moving lines).

The Oracle says: 12 - Separating oneself from inferior people. Those not worth the young noble’s loyalty. Greatness departs, smallness arrives.

I could take that in all kinds of directions:

So, hmm, does it mean that you're worrying about this other person getting back to you - perhaps before they've had a chance to get back to you - mean that you've already interjected 'separateness' or 'smallness' (or pettiness, or something unimportant) into the situation?

Or ... maybe while you're waiting to hear back from them, you can ponder, whom is the inferior person here, you or them? Or whom is doing the separating? You, them, or perhaps both of you (as the hexgram says, because 'heaven and earth do not interact')?

Or ... maybe the Yi is just saying, 'how the hell do I know what that other person is going to do. But regardless, just remember sometimes there is separateness, sometimes greatness departs, and sometimes smallness arrives, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it' - except perhaps to be aware of it and see it as just more change taking place.

Or ... perhaps something else entirely ....

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What a great thread, thanks for this liquidity. I got really curious so I checked my archive, and 12 for me also plays out as a 'yes', but, just like for you, a very tainted yes. A dirty yes, where the thing does happen but the whole situation sucks anyway.
 

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One might also consider that 12. Stagnation, or Obstruction, whatever you want to call it, follows 11. Peace as if to say that after awhile Peace starts to feel more like things aren’t just calm and quiet, they are at a total Standstill. Not sure how that relates to our current discussion here - just thought I’d throw it in.
 

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Thinking more about this...
I think 12. is saying there is no magnetic attraction between the molecules here. It's as if 11.Peace calmed everything down, until we're resting in Peace, quiet as death, and thus no energy is flowing to higher chakras and thus no attractions happening and with out magnetic attraction happening we come to a Standstill. So 12. is advice on what you do when you come to a standstill. How does one re-arouse that flow but this time do it more consciously, don't just follow any impulse, any person who crosses your path, choose who to follow or at least know why you are following them? And so Standstill ends when we start looking for 13. Fellowship and go about more consciously choosing our friends.
 
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If you read the individual lines they describe the steps one needs to take to get out of Standstill and back to getting things moving again so when you look at those lines do they perhaps describe what you went through while waiting for a response? Like, did you mentally sort out some things or did you complete some other chores of the day so that when the person finally did get back you were in a different state of mind as what you might have been if you'd connected earlier?

Hrm yes I think so.... good point.

Hilary's translates 12 as Obstruction and says the Image advises to use energy sparingly, so maybe advice not to sit by the phone waiting for a response, but not necessarily saying there will be no response. The Image also warns against taking any salary so perhaps that explains getting 12 for the business not being successful - there was activity, just no money!

Ha, an interesting thought, thanks!
 

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