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Hello!

I just sent out some writing to an agent...the subject could be potentially sensitive in some ways, in some quarters...i could write my 'story' without getting too involved in the surrounding possibility of controversy, but the stickler that I am, chose to send the parts that directly addresses the issue...the book ultimately will not be about the controversy...given that background...i asked the yi, its opinion...on having made the first step of sending a sample of writing, and initiating the process of publishing.

it said, 61.1.5

Line 1
'Guided, good fortune.
There is another, no peace.'

Line 5
'There is truth and confidence as a bond – no mistake.'

Right away...it struck me as to what an intriguing mix this is. Inner truth and youthful folly...

But also so very perfect, the combination...for the book in so many ways is about the conflict i experienced in a 'learning' situation and my inner truth, and the struggle and confusion involved in embodying it.

I would love to hear your take on the hexagram toss by itself...as it seems *such* a fascinating combination...

And additional insight into what it might actually be saying to 'me' would be also, be so very welcome, as I do tend to get carried away in the abstraction of it all.

Is the yi saying that it is indeed a good idea?

who or what is this 'another' and why 'no peace'...ouch...much of it is a meditation on peace...so....?

part of my dilemma (this might be the 'another') is that I do wonder if my life ought to be on the quiet side of things...domestic, you know, rather than public...if it were upto me, I might 'prefer' domestic but with 'love'...but that choice involves an absent other...so it is not really upto me. the book is in some way, an act of service...but even then, is it possible to do that in a personal way with the mentor?

am i choosing to become a sacrificial lamb here by choosing the publishing route? these are some of the background questions.

thank you good people of the yi.

shalom.
 

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An inner state of Hex 4...paralysis of not knowing...which is the flip side of the callousness of impudent persistence...or the emotional result of heedless rushing in...covers the deeper inner truth of actually knowing, out of which doing can be allowed.

I can pretty much see a conscious/dependent arising of Hex 4...which in me is more often paralysis (fight/flight/freeze)...like a weed bed around a healthy flourish of triumphant and confident Inner truth manifesting: remember that *Amazing* girl child Marion doing her marching/waltzing/just so adorably being herself in confidence...on that beautiful professor/child/toddler/mother youtube video?

{how would I embed that here?} anyone?

I think 61 is her (or me) walking in without fear of rejection or sense of imposition, in inner truth...doing a star turn, without knowing, simply being...but nevertheless giving joy and mirth and being so loved by the 'world', without any effort, or even a wanting of it...

4 is going a bit overboard on the why mommy, why ??? being dragged off unceremoniously...and not being able to drop the impact of that from affecting the present/future of innocent inner being true...innocence has been cast into a punishing version of impudence...or a show-off, show-stealer...

I can see how a certain flamboyance as what she displayed as having been a sort of my own essential nature...for I did have unperturbed access to daddy...a fearless love...that mother did not or could not, out of her conformity...the confidence derived from being loved by father...and that being somehow pathologized my mother (in my case, or may be even that is just a perception at some core level of all being maya anyway...but we are not there yet)...

so that is the picture of inner truth/youthful folly...that speaks to me this fine morning..

and may be the issues surrounding a certain reluctance to 'step out' so to speak...or shying/hiding away in ignominy...the traumatized response from/to not knowing...while inside one *actually* knows...but allows oneself to be victimised...i can distinctly remember a moment of *abject* terrorising by mommy...in this context...

but really somewhere in some parallel world, everyone was laughing :) may be.
 

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{how would I embed that here?} anyone?

You copy the link for the video from the address bar or whatever it's called...then you use the 'go advanced' reply option here. Click the 'insert video' button which is in the middle row, 3rd from left and then paste into that . Use post preview to see if it works.


Right away...it struck me as to what an intriguing mix this is. Inner truth and youthful folly...

But also so very perfect, the combination...for the book in so many ways is about the conflict i experienced in a 'learning' situation and my inner truth, and the struggle and confusion involved in embodying it.

I would love to hear your take on the hexagram toss by itself...as it seems *such* a fascinating combination...

And additional insight into what it might actually be saying to 'me' would be also, be so very welcome, as I do tend to get carried away in the abstraction of it all.

Is the yi saying that it is indeed a good idea?

who or what is this 'another' and why 'no peace'...ouch...much of it is a meditation on peace...so....?

Just impressions from a few things I've seen with this exact combination which does link in, I think,with your own ideas.

Generally a situation where you might be sincerely devoted to doing what you know to be true in a situation...except you actually don't quite know what's true. There is the possibility of some disquiet in line 1...something feeling not quite right, hidden motives, either yours or others. As you say an intriguing combination. I have the idea Lise has the image of a snake in line 1, a snake in the grass..will have to check. If there were not this cause of unrest, reason for disquiet all might be well...but it's a big IF from what I have seen.

One could be entirely sincerely engaged with a new situation for example (61.5) be completely open to it and yet there may be things unknown ready to disrupt that...and hence hexagram 4. What can you trust ? Do you know what you can trust really ? In relation to your question

I just sent out some writing to an agent...the subject could be potentially sensitive in some ways, in some quarters...i could write my 'story' without getting too involved in the surrounding possibility of controversy, but the stickler that I am, chose to send the parts that directly addresses the issue...the book ultimately will not be about the controversy...given that background...i asked the yi, its opinion...on having made the first step of sending a sample of writing, and initiating the process of publishing.

it said, 61.1.5

...if you have a hidden agenda there will be no peace. I can't from reading this paragraph really grasp what you are speaking of...except it looks like you already know that it's 'sensitive' and hence you seem to anticipate something other than just appearances might show ?

Practically my advice FWIW here is to be sure you know what is true before devoting your inner sincerity to it. It could be put the other way around also. Check you yourself don't have hidden designs you aren't that aware of. Yang change pattern is 3, yin pattern is 50...seems to me there is more cooking to do. One can have a real inner sense of truth bringing energy and impetus to something but what if some of the factors involved really are not as you thought ?

Trying to think of an imaginary example. Suppose you meet an amazing new friend who invites you to lots of gatherings and you are really excited and sincere to engage with it all...and then you get to know her better and then you see things you hadn't been able to see at the outset...well that you couldn't have seen because you didn't know her. Maybe you find she had an agenda of selling you something or other. Silly example...but then again I don't think this reading is telling you not to go ahead or not to trust, it's more like just suggesting there is more to be aware of that that you simply aren't in a position to know at the moment (4) ?

I don't think this contradicts your own, more subtle thoughts on this combination.
 

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You copy the link for the video from the address bar or whatever it's called...then you use the 'go advanced' reply option here. Click the 'insert video' button which is in the middle row, 3rd from left and then paste into that . Use post preview to see if it works.




Just impressions from a few things I've seen with this exact combination which does link in, I think,with your own ideas.

Generally a situation where you might be sincerely devoted to doing what you know to be true in a situation...except you actually don't quite know what's true. There is the possibility of some disquiet in line 1...something feeling not quite right, hidden motives, either yours or others. As you say an intriguing combination. I have the idea Lise has the image of a snake in line 1, a snake in the grass..will have to check. If there were not this cause of unrest, reason for disquiet all might be well...but it's a big IF from what I have seen.

One could be entirely sincerely engaged with a new situation for example (61.5) be completely open to it and yet there may be things unknown ready to disrupt that...and hence hexagram 4. What can you trust ? Do you know what you can trust really ? In relation to your question



...if you have a hidden agenda there will be no peace. I can't from reading this paragraph really grasp what you are speaking of...except it looks like you already know that it's 'sensitive' and hence you seem to anticipate something other than just appearances might show ?

Practically my advice FWIW here is to be sure you know what is true before devoting your inner sincerity to it. It could be put the other way around also. Check you yourself don't have hidden designs you aren't that aware of. Yang change pattern is 3, yin pattern is 50...seems to me there is more cooking to do. One can have a real inner sense of truth bringing energy and impetus to something but what if some of the factors involved really are not as you thought ?

Trying to think of an imaginary example. Suppose you meet an amazing new friend who invites you to lots of gatherings and you are really excited and sincere to engage with it all...and then you get to know her better and then you see things you hadn't been able to see at the outset...well that you couldn't have seen because you didn't know her. Maybe you find she had an agenda of selling you something or other. Silly example...but then again I don't think this reading is telling you not to go ahead or not to trust, it's more like just suggesting there is more to be aware of that that you simply aren't in a position to know at the moment (4) ?

I don't think this contradicts your own, more subtle thoughts on this combination.

Excellent addition, Trojina!

The snake line makes more sense to me...considering the topic of the toss. Indeed while my writing is only *my* perspective, my experience, and as you might have seen here as well, a general tendency to try and make meaning and derive understanding from the events we goto through...so that one might arrive at a greater understanding of oneself, if not 'everything'...

The controversy while being pegged to my friend and mentor, is a creation of factionalizing that inevitably seems to result in groups, especially those drawn towards the 'higher' causes...and the sincere part of me, wants to not so much as 'defend' and remove any implication of impropriety or murkiness around the person, (since the factionalizing elements seem to take care of that), but merely *clarify*, present alternate ways of looking at the mark of 'dirt' so to speak...that we may *all* gain a more expansive way of seeing, the scene as such.

The snake...that really speaks to me here...my own sense of caution about wading in that part of the stream...for snakes or creatures unknown to me, for sure inhabit such a terrain...hidden motives and such...I have been given to taking things on face value....may be even obstinate about it...may be that is the folly...not in kansas...dorothy!!! how much ever that kansas is *in* you.

So may be it *is* best to recast or remove any 'colouring' in my writing to address the 'sticky' story so to speak, and simply let that not be in anyway central, nor peripheral to the telling of *my* story.

It was fun and meaningful and even purposeful to address it, but may be not 'my place' so to speak...it is that old habit of speaking up in times of 'grave injustice'...you know...but that is a different classroom from this one. And while the lessons of this classroom are not fully evident, it is clear that...i have got to keep my dogs out of this fight.

Thank you :)
 

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Didn't seem to work with that video.

Very funny :rofl:
 

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I love how the infant in the baby walker follows in....
 

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Indeed...every little bit is life-affirming and heart warming...

I am surprised you had not seen it...I had imagined *everyone* would have had, by now. So, yay!

On further reflection...with regards to my question...the snake reference works if I had asked about whether to address the controversy or not...and just as likely in that case, I feel this answer clarifies that aspect for me...

But the 'hidden' part from my point of view...isn't so 'hidden', as I have been toying with the 'either...or' nature of it...and the yi seems to confirm that. The private vs public - while in many cases there may not be necessarily a conflict between the two, I intuit in my case, there might be.
 

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I think the Hexagram 4 - which Lise calls 'Not Knowing'...makes more sense to me as 'Not Trusting'...

You are not trusting yourself enough to know what the yi is telling you. Or that you are not trusting the yi enough to wait and let its message get to you. Hence you badger the yi by multiple queries.

Would that not be a more appropriate summary...the explicative gist of yi's response than simply 'inexperience, youthful folly, or not knowing'?
 

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I think the Hexagram 4 - which Lise calls 'Not Knowing'...makes more sense to me as 'Not Trusting'...

You are not trusting yourself enough to know what the yi is telling you. Or that you are not trusting the yi enough to wait and let its message get to you. Hence you badger the yi by multiple queries.

Would that not be a more appropriate summary...the explicative gist of yi's response than simply 'inexperience, youthful folly, or not knowing'?

You mean a more appropriate hexagram title ? Well I'm not a translator so no I wouldn't retitle a hexagram to something that made more sense to me in a reading or two...but I do see what you're saying.

Very often, not always, I experience 4 as a literal reality. This is something I don't know, have no awareness of. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with being in that state except when as you say one badgers, forces get's anxious to know something one cannot just know...or perhaps something just isn't there for the knowing, or the situation isn't ripe enough to know, Often the most creative thing we can do in a situation is live with the not knowing. It depends on the question and the situation.

Since you had 61.1 the notion of something 'other' is introduced and so in this reading there may be something about trust there although not necessarily since the word 'trust' does not appear in line 1 I don't think. I used that word to explain my ideas about the line but that's not the same thing as the words of Yi which simply says, as you quoted.

So 4 won't always have anything to do with trusting, but at times it's true one needs to trust that one doesn't know and let it be. Other times when one realises one doesn't know it's better to find out, educate self about whatever.
 

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What I mean by trusting here is that which makes one badger the yi...

When the yi admonishes...its words are pretty clear...it won't even advise us to stop asking...it simply reflects and says what it will do...not answer...

ofcourse I suppose there are other reasons that people have and use to badger the yi...but I wonder if the root of it all is in the not trusting...

Obviously, it was not a clarion call...just ideas...sharing...wondering...asking.

best :)
 

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Practically my advice FWIW here is to be sure you know what is true before devoting your inner sincerity to it. It could be put the other way around also. Check you yourself don't have hidden designs you aren't that aware of. Yang change pattern is 3, yin pattern is 50...seems to me there is more cooking to do. One can have a real inner sense of truth bringing energy and impetus to something but what if some of the factors involved really are not as you thought ?

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On further meditation...the circumstances presented may be was more complicated than need to have been...there really may be were two parallel aspects...one was about the content of publishing and the other whether i want to publish...the context of publishing.

And i think the yi seems to have answered in both terms.

The content of publishing....avoid any taint of controversy...it is not my domain. It is not my story.

The context of publishing...while my motives are pure...and not hidden at all, is the question, whether it will be most conducive to my inner purpose. What am I really serving?

So all in all...I am fine with out any further outward development with regards to publishing...as yet.
 

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